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The op have not updated the thread since it creation over a week ago, but looking for a poker room is quit unusual to me because no play win all the time. The house will sometimes win the player.

Don't worry OP is a bully and look at His trust score you can find how not credible all of His posts specially thread that created by Him so let Him be not active as it is favor for the whole forum lol.

Quote from: MrcMrc on November 17, 2021, 04:17:54 AM

I don't think luck have any place in poker most especially when playing against the house because the system is set to favor the house that is why we have the house edge. But again once you can discipline your self and take the rich stance you may win to some extent before the house have it ways.

the probability of the Gambling site will attest that you are wrong , not unless scam or cheating site in which you will never win.

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Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

That`s why they are called "good players"

They can loose sometimes if the opponent skill low, they can loose if their skill are about equal but mostly they win.

Agreed. So, no exceptions then. Good players always win in the long run. The only problem here for pro poker players is that they can encounter equally good players in high level tournaments. And they do, actually, all the time. And when great players meet each other at the table, it's not their skill, but rather it's luck what affects the outcome the most. Knowing this fact, an amazing poker player Liv Boeree quit professional poker in 2019, after winning around $4 million in live tournaments.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 17, 2021, 03:01:10 PM

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Quote from: Silberman on November 12, 2021, 03:02:41 PM

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Not entirely, more broadly I am talking about skill levels, even if you do not consider yourself a professional and you are fine with losing some money at the casino it is completely natural to still want to win, and if your level is high enough so it matches the rest of the people on the table over the long term you will lose money due to the rake and not the skill of the other players, this scenario happens regardless of whether you are a professional or not and it is entirely dependent on the skill level you happen to have.

Yes, it is so. But you always pay for services. Any casino, online or offline, provides you a service and have some bills they have to pay. They have some men that have to pay to their work. I think that it is normal if someone get money for his work. In this situation - this is rake that casino gets for it services.

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I hadn't seen this thread because I have the OP on ignore, but I saw it now because I wasn't logged in.

The OP is just a troll in general, but more specifically in this case because no poker player wins every time, not even the best in the world.

What good poker players do is minimize losses when they have losing hands/strings and maximize wins when they have winning hands/strings.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 16, 2021, 07:55:17 AM

When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

In poker, there are many crucial moments... so I agree that some hands are all about luck, especially when you go all-in before flop! Even two aces can fall easily, and that happens often, I can't count how many all-ins I have lost with two aces in my hand against lower pair, even vs low cards!
What makes a good poker player is the ability to play with good and bad cards! To be patient, and to wait for better cards... to make a bold move in some moments and bluff, the only way to keep your bankroll from melting down!

Certainly, a good player playing better with bad cards then a bad player. He can wait, he can bluff, he can buy-in(if it possible). But sometimes he has not enough time to wait, and if opponent skill is not really low - the opponent will not give much chances to win.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 16, 2021, 07:55:17 AM

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Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

That`s why they are called "good players"

They can loose sometimes if the opponent skill low, they can loose if their skill are about equal but mostly they win.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 13, 2021, 12:10:50 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 12, 2021, 03:02:41 PM

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Not entirely, more broadly I am talking about skill levels, even if you do not consider yourself a professional and you are fine with losing some money at the casino it is completely natural to still want to win, and if your level is high enough so it matches the rest of the people on the table over the long term you will lose money due to the rake and not the skill of the other players, this scenario happens regardless of whether you are a professional or not and it is entirely dependent on the skill level you happen to have.

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When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

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I don't think luck have any place in poker most especially when playing against the house because the system is set to favor the house that is why we have the house edge. But again once you can discipline your self and take the rich stance you may win to some extent before the house have it ways.

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Quote from: mak013 on November 16, 2021, 07:55:17 AM

When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

In poker, there are many crucial moments... so I agree that some hands are all about luck, especially when you go all-in before flop! Even two aces can fall easily, and that happens often, I can't count how many all-ins I have lost with two aces in my hand against lower pair, even vs low cards!
What makes a good poker player is the ability to play with good and bad cards! To be patient, and to wait for better cards... to make a bold move in some moments and bluff, the only way to keep your bankroll from melting down!

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 15, 2021, 05:41:40 AM

Quote from: mak013 on November 13, 2021, 12:10:50 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 12, 2021, 03:02:41 PM

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You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Nicely put. Indeed, in fact, that's what happens. Of course nobody starts the game with the intention to lose it, but people are ready to lose, even professional poker players are like that. That's why they usually play in the tournaments for which they have at least 20 buy-ins, they know they can lose, and they are ready for it.

When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

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You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Nicely put. Indeed, in fact, that's what happens. Of course nobody starts the game with the intention to lose it, but people are ready to lose, even professional poker players are like that. That's why they usually play in the tournaments for which they have at least 20 buy-ins, they know they can lose, and they are ready for it.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 12, 2021, 03:02:41 PM

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 09, 2021, 03:03:08 PM

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

I think that you can find online casino or poker room with players who`s skill will be at least not higher then yours own. But the most interesting game is when you`re winning powerful opponents as for me. In such wins you usually getting good profit and good moon. In easy games you can get profit, but mostly it will be less then your normal profit, and surely it will not be fun.

The trouble with these smaller and niche poker rooms (e.g. cryptocurrency only) is that they tend to be dominated by sharks. When you're on somewhere like pokerstars there are thousands, if not tends of thousands of players, and lots of new fish sign up each day to leak cash. This keeps the sharks fed while the fish either learn the game over time or drop off. However if you are looking at somewhere like swc where there might be 150 players online, who are spread across different buy-in tables, you'll find that they often know every single player there and how they rank against them. New fish are rare - so they get targeted and wiped out very quickly, which leaves you with a constant low amount of players. It's hard to see a crypto poker site doing well unless we have much wider adoption or a single site throws so much money into advertising they can reach a "critical mass" which draws in a sustainable amount of players (like having at least 1,000 online at any one time)

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You do not need cryptocurrencies do become more popular. You would just need the valuations to increase. If everybody theoretically 10xs from here, then tons will have money to gamble with. And I don't see how a website that is already at critical mass, cant create more volume? Pokerstars surely could add a "cryptocurrency" button and that should surely drive in more revenue right?? I am sure they could, but the time isn't right.

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Quote from: Fortify on November 10, 2021, 08:54:04 AM

Quote from: mak013 on November 10, 2021, 08:38:46 AM

Quote from: Silberman on November 09, 2021, 03:03:08 PM

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

I think that you can find online casino or poker room with players who`s skill will be at least not higher then yours own. But the most interesting game is when you`re winning powerful opponents as for me. In such wins you usually getting good profit and good moon. In easy games you can get profit, but mostly it will be less then your normal profit, and surely it will not be fun.

The trouble with these smaller and niche poker rooms (e.g. cryptocurrency only) is that they tend to be dominated by sharks. When you're on somewhere like pokerstars there are thousands, if not tends of thousands of players, and lots of new fish sign up each day to leak cash. This keeps the sharks fed while the fish either learn the game over time or drop off. However if you are looking at somewhere like swc where there might be 150 players online, who are spread across different buy-in tables, you'll find that they often know every single player there and how they rank against them. New fish are rare - so they get targeted and wiped out very quickly, which leaves you with a constant low amount of players. It's hard to see a crypto poker site doing well unless we have much wider adoption or a single site throws so much money into advertising they can reach a "critical mass" which draws in a sustainable amount of players (like having at least 1,000 online at any one time)

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

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Quote from: Fortify on November 10, 2021, 08:54:04 AM

Quote from: mak013 on November 10, 2021, 08:38:46 AM

Quote from: Silberman on November 09, 2021, 03:03:08 PM

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

I think that you can find online casino or poker room with players who`s skill will be at least not higher then yours own. But the most interesting game is when you`re winning powerful opponents as for me. In such wins you usually getting good profit and good moon. In easy games you can get profit, but mostly it will be less then your normal profit, and surely it will not be fun.

The trouble with these smaller and niche poker rooms (e.g. cryptocurrency only) is that they tend to be dominated by sharks. When you're on somewhere like pokerstars there are thousands, if not tends of thousands of players, and lots of new fish sign up each day to leak cash. This keeps the sharks fed while the fish either learn the game over time or drop off. However if you are looking at somewhere like swc where there might be 150 players online, who are spread across different buy-in tables, you'll find that they often know every single player there and how they rank against them. New fish are rare - so they get targeted and wiped out very quickly, which leaves you with a constant low amount of players. It's hard to see a crypto poker site doing well unless we have much wider adoption or a single site throws so much money into advertising they can reach a "critical mass" which draws in a sustainable amount of players (like having at least 1,000 online at any one time)

Yes, this is possible situation, but i don`t see any other choice to play online cryptocasino and win some money. The main problem is that cryptocurrencies are not enough popular yet. That`s why we don`t see enough players and casinos, and there is no some decision except waiting for more players.
But the same time - the most skilled players don`t play in such casinos.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 10, 2021, 10:02:20 PM

Am not really a fan of poker game's but I play it sometimes just for fun and not on a long term base such as you have. The fact still remains that the house edge will always supersede players winning the computer is program that way.

Well, it is too difficult to beat the house, even if you are a pro poker player but that will not be impossible.
Besides having your skills, you need to have the luck to beat the house but we do not know how much money we should wager before we can beat the house.
It is better just to play poker without thinking about the win because I think who knows, that we can beat them someday.

This house edge is only a problem for small size table since this is a slow phase game and every is expected to play slowly without doing a high preflop bet. But on a high roller table, House is not a problem at all since its just a percentage on the pot. I don't know what's big deal on here even on normal poker table, There's a fee on every pot except free roll poker. I'm not pro in poker but house edge is a must for this type of game since it is a person to person game. Casino is not a charity for having a free table and dealer for the game.

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Quote from: RILWAN on November 10, 2021, 10:02:20 PM

Am not really a fan of poker game's but I play it sometimes just for fun and not on a long term base such as you have. The fact still remains that the house edge will always supersede players winning the computer is program that way.

Well, it is too difficult to beat the house, even if you are a pro poker player but that will not be impossible.
Besides having your skills, you need to have the luck to beat the house but we do not know how much money we should wager before we can beat the house.
It is better just to play poker without thinking about the win because I think who knows, that we can beat them someday.

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Am not really a fan of poker game's but I play it sometimes just for fun and not on a long term base such as you have. The fact still remains that the house edge will always supersede players winning the computer is program that way.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2021, 08:39:45 AM

You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

In 2021, online casinos are flooded with gamblers than the physical casinos because even who never thought about going to a physical casino is even playing at online due to the convenience they get so the rewards are enough to be honest but its a game will deceive everyone in the long run so its a game that can beat everyone when they are making more bets so the houses are making more money.

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Don't try to beat the house, you just play as much as you enjoy and win some and as well as expect loses too. Because if you try to beat the house, you're the one that's going to be beaten and you don't really do that.

And if you're too much concerned about the rake of the house, try to look for other house that you think is justifiable with their rake and you're satistied with it. Because having that mentality won't stop you from complaining.

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