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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2021, 08:39:45 AM

You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

e can beat House of course , but the thing here is that how many times we can beat the house than beating us? that is the problem meaning in every 10 losses we can only win 1-2 times.
maybe it is normal to wish taking all the funds from the house but at least never dig deeper into this just look for chances sometimes and if not then give up and try the next time.

Well if this is the outcome of my gameplay, I will definitely stop and take a break because you are always in a loss position how can you survive if you are always in a long losses streak. It is totally different when you play poker online and in poker in a real casino, the chances of online casino are based on your luck but in the real casino is perhaps you will win if you know bluffing your opponents which is others also do that now. It is hard to chase losses, so it is advisable to take a break and come back soon when your mind has been relaxed.
In all card games, a poker game is very interesting among them all either online or in a real casino are almost the same, if you are a shy type gambler, choose the online casino.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 09, 2021, 03:03:08 PM

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

I think that you can find online casino or poker room with players who`s skill will be at least not higher then yours own. But the most interesting game is when you`re winning powerful opponents as for me. In such wins you usually getting good profit and good moon. In easy games you can get profit, but mostly it will be less then your normal profit, and surely it will not be fun.

The trouble with these smaller and niche poker rooms (e.g. cryptocurrency only) is that they tend to be dominated by sharks. When you're on somewhere like pokerstars there are thousands, if not tends of thousands of players, and lots of new fish sign up each day to leak cash. This keeps the sharks fed while the fish either learn the game over time or drop off. However if you are looking at somewhere like swc where there might be 150 players online, who are spread across different buy-in tables, you'll find that they often know every single player there and how they rank against them. New fish are rare - so they get targeted and wiped out very quickly, which leaves you with a constant low amount of players. It's hard to see a crypto poker site doing well unless we have much wider adoption or a single site throws so much money into advertising they can reach a "critical mass" which draws in a sustainable amount of players (like having at least 1,000 online at any one time)

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Quote from: Silberman on November 09, 2021, 03:03:08 PM

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

I think that you can find online casino or poker room with players who`s skill will be at least not higher then yours own. But the most interesting game is when you`re winning powerful opponents as for me. In such wins you usually getting good profit and good moon. In easy games you can get profit, but mostly it will be less then your normal profit, and surely it will not be fun.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2021, 08:39:45 AM

You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

Even if poker is a PvP kind of game the casino still has expenses to cover and since they are giving a service and they are using some of their resources to keep the poker tables online then it is natural they take a rake, and as you say this rake is lower than what we see at physical casinos, however I can understand why some may find difficult to profit from it as the number of poker players on those websites is limited and many are decent players so unless you are way above them in terms of skill then you are not getting any profits against them.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2021, 08:39:45 AM

You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

e can beat House of course , but the thing here is that how many times we can beat the house than beating us? that is the problem meaning in every 10 losses we can only win 1-2 times.
maybe it is normal to wish taking all the funds from the house but at least never dig deeper into this just look for chances sometimes and if not then give up and try the next time.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on November 08, 2021, 08:39:45 AM

You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

I don`t think that percentage will be more than profit. In this case it makes no sense to play against the house and no one will play. Surely you play rake but it can`t be more then maximum profit you can get from the game. But as we discussed before - the profit is too small to try to get it. And pvp playing of course more interesting.

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You can win but if you want to beat the house its never possible because the room will take certain percentage as commission from each hand but they are not investing anything since poker is pvp not player vs house unless its blackjack. Rake fee is literally less in the online casinos so say thanks to the crypto casinos instead of trying to win them since you have to pay a lot and lot other expenses if you are going to an offline casino...

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Quote from: mak013 on October 26, 2021, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maslate on October 26, 2021, 07:02:43 AM

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane.

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

House always Win if we don't know how to control our gambling activities , the more we play is the more the gambling table wins .

But try limiting your playing? put only small amount to play and when you lose best to stop and try again another day.

I have done this before and i know that I am winning against the site now.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 03:57:35 PM

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

There’s no specific site on OP though but if he always lose at the house, something is wrong on the way he play. Other site have a lower rake but still they are losing money because they didn’t know how to play Poker properly and probably, this is the problem of OP. Even though he says he can win agains the other players I doubt on this.

I agree. For someone who can beat others in poker, house edge(or rake) shouldn't be a big problem long as it is within reasonable limits. Online poker sites usually take from 2.5% to 10% of the pot, and I personally think that 10% is too much, but even 10% will not stop you from winning if you are really good at poker. Nevertheless, regardless of how good you are, I'd recommend playing on sites with 7% rake or lower.

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Quote from: Desmong on November 06, 2021, 08:22:12 AM

Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

Op wants to beat the house, house unfriendly do you think you can achieve that? The house knows what you are capable of doing, your next move and the total outcome your could possibly reach. Winning the house will take enough playing and timing with more directive effort. You can't just win like, you need time and strategy.

^ Fighting against the house edge is not a good idea in the long term, the longer you expose the high chances that you will lose. Playing poker through real players in a room is the best choice and it is called a p2p poker game. There is no time limit and strategy that you will have if you know that fighting in the house edge is not good in the long term. So, if this is for entertainment that is good. I don't know how it is the method but there are few gamblers that I have heard that it is good to fight house edge because it has a lot of money.

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Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

Op wants to beat the house, house unfriendly do you think you can achieve that? The house knows what you are capable of doing, your next move and the total outcome your could possibly reach. Winning the house will take enough playing and timing with more directive effort. You can't just win like, you need time and strategy.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 02, 2021, 06:49:45 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 03:57:35 PM

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

I am not familiar with the OP so I did not knew this was a tendency for them, however most of the time this is the only way to solve issues like this one, after all compared to other gambling games the poker alternatives are more limited and if you want to become profitable it will be difficult to expect for the house to reduce their rake or for other players to reduce their skill level, so the only viable alternative is to raise our skill level to the point we can overcome both of those obstacles.

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Quote from: Betwrong on November 02, 2021, 05:35:58 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 29, 2021, 04:47:10 AM

It seems to easy to be true

I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

Playing there is dull indeed, because: firstly, it's not interesting to play against bots; and secondly because the stakes are very small, and if constantly beating those bots you can be earning around $0.1 per hour, or even less. So, it's true, but earning money this way is not easy.

Yes, it looks so. I don`t even want to waste time for such profit and boring playing. Mostly i`m playing with human or sometimes free-roll tourneys if i want fun.

Quote from: Betwrong on November 02, 2021, 05:35:58 AM

Keep in mind that there is a difference between Chess AI and Poker AI. Chess is a perfect information game, while Poker is not. Poker is an imperfect-information game, and it is much harder for a computer to win in such a game. That's why Deep Blue defeated Kasparov in chess as early as in 1997, while the AI called Pluribus has started defeating poker professionals only in 2019.

Surely, it`s so. Poker gives more chances to win for human, but AI counts perfect and even if he have algo from what position and with what hand to play - it becomes at least difficult.

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 02, 2021, 06:49:45 PM

Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 03:57:35 PM

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

Lol what can we expect from a Troll account Grin

looking at His tag history you'll find what is the main objective of this thread.

actually Look at Him , making this thread and never comes back to even protect His interest if he is asking legitimately?

sounds funny how he acted in this forum for quite a long now.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 02, 2021, 03:57:35 PM

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seeing that OP is complaining here instead of looking for a poker casino that has a low rake. I doubt he'll even make an effort to improve his skills. also, I have a feeling that he only posted this thread so that he could rant and not actually find a solution to his "problem"(like he always does on his other posts here in the forum).

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Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

It's worth considering the actual times that you play and whether there is a deep enough pool of players at the website/app that you are using. Often overlooked but different times of day can yield vastly different results, like you might have a lot of European players on around CEST 6pm-10pm and be able to bank the hardest, but outside of that it might be out of sync with your own best performance. See if you play better in the morning or evening. The player base on each poker program you play can also create vast differences in results, if you're playing against the same group of players on a small site with say 250 active users at any time, then you might struggle against real committed sharks, so go for a bigger pool where you're much more likely to find easy fish swimming around.

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 12, 2021, 07:35:59 PM

Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

what do you expect? I mean, they provide the platform in order for you to play against other gamblers/poker players. if the rake is too high for you the only thing you can do is either find a poker site that has a low rake or suck it up.

There is yet another option which is to improve his play to the point he can overcome the rake, I know people hate the rake as if you are in a table playing against players with the same relative amount of skill then the only one that is going to win is the house, this means the OP also needs to learn to identify profitable tables, since poker is a zero sum game then you need players with a lower skill level than your own in order to have a chance of making profits and if that is not the case then it is better to not play.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 27, 2021, 01:15:21 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 27, 2021, 04:53:55 AM

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

It seems to easy to be true

I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

Playing there is dull indeed, because: firstly, it's not interesting to play against bots; and secondly because the stakes are very small, and if constantly beating those bots you can be earning around $0.1 per hour, or even less. So, it's true, but earning money this way is not easy.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 28, 2021, 10:21:43 AM

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Thx. i didn`t think that such datacenter can be used for just a poker bot. But AI can be great, it looks the same as chess computers progressed - until they becomes invincible.

Keep in mind that there is a difference between Chess AI and Poker AI. Chess is a perfect information game, while Poker is not. Poker is an imperfect-information game, and it is much harder for a computer to win in such a game. That's why Deep Blue defeated Kasparov in chess as early as in 1997, while the AI called Pluribus has started defeating poker professionals only in 2019.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2021, 10:29:55 PM

~ Yes, in this you are absolutely right, the house will always have the advantage, when it comes to poker when I play I always do it in a very short time, it is for that reason that if you want to bet a lot of money, sometimes some players have the highest bets. they do at the beginning, it is a strategy they use but it is not a guarantee that you will win it 100%.

I would say even more: it's almost 100% that you'll lose all your money if you start playing high stakes or buy-ins, compared to your bankroll. It is considered that for beginners a good bankroll management strategy would be to have at least 50 buy-ins. Some sources suggest to have 100 buy-ins.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2021, 10:29:55 PM

When you play PVP poker things change, there you enter another game mode that obviously you have a better chance of winning if you are good at strategy, in fact many people have great talent for poker and usually they always end up winning tournaments or between the top 10.

And even those people lose sometimes because partially poker depends on luck. That's why it's important to have many buy-ins(or big blinds, if you play cash games) to minimize the uncertainty.

You are right, this indicates that there is no effective method by which they follow it to the letter to obtain results, in my case I know that I do not have a special talent for poker, what I know is because I have really been studying a lot, in books, in guides, but experience is what counts the most, although it may be an online game, it has a lot of strategy and I think that success lies in knowing how to predict well what game the opponents may have due to their way of playing Sometimes intuition helps, although it is not decisive.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 28, 2021, 10:21:43 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 27, 2021, 01:15:21 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 27, 2021, 04:53:55 AM

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

It seems to easy to be true

I think this is possible for really one day casinos that buying bot for $50. Anyway thx for advice, i`ll test it surely, but if it`s so - it will become really dull to play in such casinos.

Quote from: Betwrong on October 28, 2021, 10:21:43 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 27, 2021, 01:15:21 PM

I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

You can get an impression of what it is like to play with such a bot. Google "poker AI", or search YouTube for something like that. Or, if you have no time for that, click on the image below

It's only a 4 minute video, but it's very informative.

Thx. i didn`t think that such datacenter can be used for just a poker bot. But AI can be great, it looks the same as chess computers progressed - until they becomes invincible.

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