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Quote from: mak013 on October 26, 2021, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maslate on October 26, 2021, 07:02:43 AM

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane.

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

They say the house always wins but actually not true, the reality is they win most of the time that's why they are so profitable.

If the perception of the gamblers is that "the house always wins", you are right, no one will gamble because it's called cheating and though gambling is entertaining, no one would be entertained if gamblers always lose their money.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 27, 2021, 01:15:21 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 27, 2021, 04:53:55 AM

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May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it.

Actually, bluffing does matter when you are playing with a simple poker bot. This is the easiest way to beat the machine: always be raising, and if it's re-raising - fold, unless you have something very good. Try it. You'll be surprised how easy you can beat them.

Quote from: mak013 on October 27, 2021, 01:15:21 PM

I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

You can get an impression of what it is like to play with such a bot. Google "poker AI", or search YouTube for something like that. Or, if you have no time for that, click on the image below

It's only a 4 minute video, but it's very informative.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 27, 2021, 04:53:55 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 26, 2021, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maslate on October 26, 2021, 07:02:43 AM

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane.

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

Correct me(anyone) if I'm wrong, but I think it's a common misconception that when you are playing with an online poker bot, the thing is watching you, analyzing your every move, and then exploits your weaknesses. As far as I know, poker bots, with the exception of AI ones, which are too expensive, are preprogrammed to act in accordance with the current situation, without taking into account your previous behavior.

May be my words were not correct. I meant that the bot has his algo and it does not matter bluffing(for example) you or not for it. They count position, open cards and compare it with tables, answering what to do in any situation.
I`d like to play with expensive bot, but still haven`t seen even one.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 26, 2021, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maslate on October 26, 2021, 07:02:43 AM

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane.

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

Correct me(anyone) if I'm wrong, but I think it's a common misconception that when you are playing with an online poker bot, the thing is watching you, analyzing your every move, and then exploits your weaknesses. As far as I know, poker bots, with the exception of AI ones, which are too expensive, are preprogrammed to act in accordance with the current situation, without taking into account your previous behavior.

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Quote from: Maslate on October 26, 2021, 07:02:43 AM

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker where you believe you can win? that's insane.

The house always win - this is true generally, but anyone can win. If no one wins the house - noone will gamble, but as we see - gamblers still gambles. But you have be accurate if you want to win, a man can miss your mistake but program - will not miss.

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Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

If you have the skills you can do it, and since you have proven it already then you must be good in poker and stay with what you are comfortable of doing and always go with a game where you win most of the time.

Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

That's the reality, it's always "the house always wins", you cannot eliminate that as they are into business to make profit, but why would you try to beat the house if you can gamble against an online poker players where you believe you can win? that's insane.

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Quote from: Maasdamer on October 12, 2021, 08:51:05 PM

OP is has some mind problems, just check out his posting history.

No need to give him any advise, he has other problems. Grin

I have him on ignore, but I've read the OP because I wasn't logged in at that moment.

Assuming what you say makes sense, the explanation I see is as follows:

1) He is referring to varieties of poker such as video poker where you play against the house, not other players, and they are EV-. Here the only advice is not to play those varieties.

2) He is referring to a high rake, as noted, which would surprise me, and would imply that he is a rakeback player or mediocre winner and the rake makes him lose. As it has been said he can go to another casino that has less rake. Or maybe move down levels to at a level that is easily beatable for him, and where the rake is not likely to be as high as his earnings (this is assuming that where he plays there are lower levels and that the rake does not go up).

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Quote from: mitchr4 on October 20, 2021, 02:39:03 AM

I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

Poker is a Mind and Reading game in which best to play in real life that's why I don't really love playing online though since pandemic happens i spend some Money and time playing because of No choice at all.

But now we can play with friends so Yes i stop dealing against Room and enjoying with real People .

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Quote from: mak013 on October 21, 2021, 07:45:36 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on October 21, 2021, 05:09:54 AM

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Do they really count something and analyze your style? I know that AI poker bots like Pluribus are doing this, but in reality it's far from being cheap, so I really doubt that it can be profitable for a gambling site to use such a bot.

Sometimes, if i want not to get fun but to win, or if someone annoys me i`m counting, but it kills fun. It looks like a work.

The worst part of this whole situation with bots on poker sites is that they are playing only very low stakes. Not only playing against them feels like working, but it's also a poorly paid work, and that's what's annoying.

Quote from: mak013 on October 21, 2021, 07:45:36 AM

And i have several friends, that earn playing poker. But this is too boring as for me.

Like I said above, earning good money can't be boring. You find it boring not because it's too easy, but rather because it's not that rewarding, right?

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 21, 2021, 05:09:54 AM

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Quote from: mitchr4 on October 20, 2021, 02:39:03 AM

I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

Even if casino is honest as it possible, playing against the house is like the playing chess against machine. It always count and analyze your style but you can`t do it the same time or may be you have to play for really long time against the one house.

Do they really count something and analyze your style? I know that AI poker bots like Pluribus are doing this, but in reality it's far from being cheap, so I really doubt that it can be profitable for a gambling site to use such a bot.

Sometimes, if i want not to get fun but to win, or if someone annoys me i`m counting, but it kills fun. It looks like a work. And i have several friends, that earn playing poker. But this is too boring as for me.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 21, 2021, 02:42:56 AM

You can win but i don`t sure that you will get fun from the game.

Yes, it's not that hard to beat a simple poker bot, and you are right, there's little fun in that, but that's because it's a simple bot. I can assure you that playing against DeepStack, or Pluribus, isn't boring at all. I'd love to play against one of them, but, unfortunately, for regular folks like me, it will be possible only in the future.

I haven`t played against such bots, may be it would be interesting, i can`t say nothing about it right now. If they are playing like human - it can be nice.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 21, 2021, 02:42:56 AM

Quote from: mitchr4 on October 20, 2021, 02:39:03 AM

I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

Even if casino is honest as it possible, playing against the house is like the playing chess against machine. It always count and analyze your style but you can`t do it the same time or may be you have to play for really long time against the one house.

Do they really count something and analyze your style? I know that AI poker bots like Pluribus are doing this, but in reality it's far from being cheap, so I really doubt that it can be profitable for a gambling site to use such a bot.

Quote from: mak013 on October 21, 2021, 02:42:56 AM

You can win but i don`t sure that you will get fun from the game.

Yes, it's not that hard to beat a simple poker bot, and you are right, there's little fun in that, but that's because it's a simple bot. I can assure you that playing against DeepStack, or Pluribus, isn't boring at all. I'd love to play against one of them, but, unfortunately, for regular folks like me, it will be possible only in the future.

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Quote from: mitchr4 on October 20, 2021, 02:39:03 AM

I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

Even if casino is honest as it possible, playing against the house is like the playing chess against machine. It always count and analyze your style but you can`t do it the same time or may be you have to play for really long time against the one house. You can win but i don`t sure that you will get fun from the game.

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Quote from: mitchr4 on October 20, 2021, 02:39:03 AM

I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

We can do many things to prevent those who will manipulate the game, such as always being careful placing the bet, setting a small amount to bet, and not staying playing the game for a long time because we do not know when we will lose or win.

Playing with real people can also give us the experience about getting manipulating the game. So both online or offline poker can be the same but as long as we can take care of ourselves, we do not have to worry about something bad that could happen to us.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2021, 10:29:55 PM

~ Yes, in this you are absolutely right, the house will always have the advantage, when it comes to poker when I play I always do it in a very short time, it is for that reason that if you want to bet a lot of money, sometimes some players have the highest bets. they do at the beginning, it is a strategy they use but it is not a guarantee that you will win it 100%.

I would say even more: it's almost 100% that you'll lose all your money if you start playing high stakes or buy-ins, compared to your bankroll. It is considered that for beginners a good bankroll management strategy would be to have at least 50 buy-ins. Some sources suggest to have 100 buy-ins.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 19, 2021, 10:29:55 PM

When you play PVP poker things change, there you enter another game mode that obviously you have a better chance of winning if you are good at strategy, in fact many people have great talent for poker and usually they always end up winning tournaments or between the top 10.

And even those people lose sometimes because partially poker depends on luck. That's why it's important to have many buy-ins(or big blinds, if you play cash games) to minimize the uncertainty.

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I don't recommend playing against the house. When playing online poker I just worry about them manipulating the game. I'm safer playing with real people.

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Quote from: i_am_viral on October 12, 2021, 04:00:20 AM

I mean I do win against players, I can do it for a week, a month and even a year but I always lose to the house.

The rake and house wins, it’s like impossible to beat the house...

Unfortunately, house always takes advantage. The players are not always very skilled and often random people who are there just for fun, so it is often very easy to win with them, especially if you are an experienced player.

Well, as they say, the more time that you will spend on the house the more chances you will lose.
But for me --if you gamble just for fun there is nothing to worry about because you can limit yourself in your gambling session not to exceed beyond the limit. It is totally different when you gamble in a poker room than against in the house edge and I think there must an odds there that the chances of winning were controlled by them. And perhaps gambling was design not for earning profit or could be a source of income, it is just pure entertainment, if gambling casinos will always lose, they will perhaps bankrupt their business.

Yes, in this you are absolutely right, the house will always have the advantage, when it comes to poker when I play I always do it in a very short time, it is for that reason that if you want to bet a lot of money, sometimes some players have the highest bets. they do at the beginning, it is a strategy they use but it is not a guarantee that you will win it 100%.

When you play PVP poker things change, there you enter another game mode that obviously you have a better chance of winning if you are good at strategy, in fact many people have great talent for poker and usually they always end up winning tournaments or between the top 10.

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Quote from: mak013 on October 18, 2021, 08:41:39 AM

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Of course, the easiest way is to say that smth wrong with everything around but not the player. As for me, i decided lots of years ago - when i go to play, all money that i`m ready to bet - are lost. If i win smth - this is bonus for fun i`ve got, if i lost - ok, i paid for fun. It`s nobody fault that i lost.

Exactly! When I decide to gamble, whatever game (and I play many of them) I am also ready to lose it, and in that way, I am ready to make some crazy final bet if it's come to that point and try to recover and make a profit or to go to zero (happened too many times, and too many times I survived and lost)!

I think it's the right way of gambling, decide how much you can afford to lose and don't hold yourself and be desperate about watching bankroll goes down, that can affect the gameplay in a negative way, that can stop you from pulling the right move in the right moment! It's important to play relaxed with what you have, to risk at the moment you feel you should! In that way, gambling can be fun and every winning is like a cherry on the top!

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 19, 2021, 01:19:41 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 18, 2021, 08:41:39 AM

There is no any information where he is losing. May be it will be enough to change casino.

the OP basically says that he is losing to the house through rake/commission. like I said before to the OP if he thinks that the rake is too high for him he should find another poker gambling site that has a lower rake than the one he is playing now.

As i understand - wins the rake and house, so if change rake the problem will not be solved. I think it mostly problem with quality of his game skills.

Quote from: acroman08 on October 19, 2021, 01:19:41 AM

Quote from: mak013 on October 18, 2021, 08:41:39 AM

Probably his own level is rather low and it is not enough to win. I can`t say about myself that i always lost. And i think no one can say that he always losing.

the OP claims that he has no problem winning with other players. so him not having enough skill is not the problem(at least according to him)

I think that sometimes he wins other players. I don`t sure but it may be players that try to play first-second time, or even some bots.

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You can't win because of house-players that poker-rooms employ and because their software is rigged to favor house-players.

So, you not only lose due to rake but also because you're being fished.

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