Topic: There should be a public general elections on the DTs - page 2. (Read 1252 times)

Once you educate yourself on the systems of the forum, clarity will come forth to your mind.

If only we had some sort of system where users could leave ratings for other users based on their experiences in dealing with them, and then other forum members could read what they had written, and decide whether or not they wanted to trade with or trust them... Some sort of a "truster system", perhaps... Just thinking out loud.

Why should i help? I already waste my time trying to prove a point, but you guys ignore me.

And even my feedback got deleted.

And my genuine feedback is placed on untrusted section.

Why do you think that other people would do the same as you and ignore all of those (Default) Trust ratings that indicate that VINSIN is not to be trusted?

This is something that still confuses me... he had MULTIPLE red trust ratings... and you still went ahead and traded with them... WHY?


Why would you do that? That is probably the worst thing you could do.

Your posts are getting deleted because you're breaking the rules. Tends to be a common trait among those who whine a lot about how unfair this forum is to them.

the forum did not owe me anything, yes.

And i find it suspicious that the admin starts to delete some of my feedback.
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Its okay, i am just saying that lots of people will get scammed if you continue with this trust system.
You can continue to defend it. I am just trying to stop people like VINSIN from scamming more people.

No point, i wasted lots of my time giving feedback and this is what i get.
I will remove my "untrusted" feedback.

TBH, we don't know that you will spam... However, history has shown that the vast majority of users who buy accounts solely for participating in sig campaigns end up spamming/shitposting

The sequence of events goes something like this:
1. User buys an account to participate in sig campaigns, because they want to make money from the forum
2. Given that making money is their top priority here, this means that they would be trying to maximise the number of posts they make
3. This inevitably leads to making shitposts to try and get their post count up to hit the maximum (or at least the campaign minimum) to get paid.

This has a negative effect on the forum as a whole, as instead of meaningful and insightful discussions... we get countless threads like "What do you think Bitcoin price will do?", "How did you find out about Cryptocurrency?", "Is now bear market?", "Is now bull market?", "What do you use Cryptocurrency for?", "What is best wallet?"... all filled with complete trash answers just echoing what the 20 posts before them say, simply so people can make money.

Because of this, some DT members tag bought/sold accounts... as they consider that activity as untrustworthy. Reputation and Trust are not things that should be bought, they should be earned.

Likewise, participating in campaigns on this forum is a privilege to be earned, not a right. Contrary to popular opinion, just because you have an email address and can create an account here does not automatically grant you the right to come here, join a campaign and start earning money.

You made the fatal mistake of believing that the forum owes you something... when you have contributed nothing. You also don't seem to grasp the fact that this place isn't really a democracy. It is a "private" system that is owned by Theymos. Theymos, as the owner, has created a set of rules. The fact that you don't like these rules is your problem, it is not a fault of the system. There is nothing forcing you to be here. There is also nothing stopping you from setting up your own forum with the systems/rules that you want. However, if you do want to stay, then the onus is on you to accept these rules and work within them.

You are also free to petition Theymos to change the rules, but he is under no obligation to make any changes, simply because you don't like the way things work here.


Yeah, because there will be no more bounties... ever... oh wait, sorry... that is my fantasy world where the entire Altcoin section has been removed from this forum.

Please quote properly. This is getting very difficult.

I meant the "And not to read DT's trusted feedback" part. It seems very abrupt.

Okay. But I haven't been saying anything about account sellers, have I? At least in regards to my opinion about proactive feedback.

There are always going to be bounties, for one.

By spam, I don't mean posting numerous replies within a short interval. What I am referring to is the lack of substance in posts. For example, there are a ridiculous number of threads in the Bitcoin Discussion and Economics sections that have no substance whatsoever. The replies are even more useless, for example just rephrasing "buy high sell low, you can't really tell the price" in 200 characters to fit their campaign criteria.

Perhaps there are some account buyers that don't spam. Perhaps there are some that do contribute to the forum. Example: Avirunes.

But for the majority of users - I'm willing to say over 90% - account trading only makes the forum suffer. Given a fixed time, the more accounts you have, the worse your post quality.

Why do you think that when account farmers are ousted, their accounts have horrendous post history?

There are at least 50 users in the ChipMixer campaign.

I don't understand this statement. Can you reword it or clarify what you mean by this?

DT trusted feedback is like a gang! Once have 1 red, all red will come.

Proactive feedback prevents scams from taking place in the first place. Meaning: instead of a scammer being ousted after they take (arbitrary)  1 BTC, they can be ousted after they take 0 BTC.

Proactive feedback, you have not been in buyer shoes when buying accounts. Because all account sellers have red trust no matter what.

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You can absolutely participate in signature campaigns. When you earn the privilege.

Generally, the post quality of users increases with time and experience. Spam is a cancer upon the forum.
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how do you know i will spam?
i thought there is already a time limit in place?

And thats the problem, by the time i get to certain rank, bounty is already over!

Where did you read that? The rules?

No one has stated that account selling is outright scamming. No one.

However, account trading is equivalent to trading reputation/trust. It is not trustworthy behavior. Recall that a high rank on the forum should be a privilege, not a right.

Users have been advocating for use of an escrow all the time. Ever see that Prevention is better than a cure thread? It's stickied.

I don't understand this statement. Can you reword it or clarify what you mean by this?

Proactive feedback prevents scams from taking place in the first place. Meaning: instead of a scammer being ousted after they take (arbitrary)  1 BTC, they can be ousted after they take 0 BTC.

Only if the feedback is untrue.

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You can absolutely participate in signature campaigns. When you earn the privilege.

Generally, the post quality of users increases with time and experience. Spam is a cancer upon the forum.

how is account selling a scam? I read that it's legal.
This thread is about preventing more after me to always use escrow!

And not to read DT's trusted feedback, just like how they gang up on me.
How is that fair?

Ok, i will repeat and will repeat many times, there is no such thing in this world as customers giving feedback without buying items.
And continue doing this, more will get scammed.
It will always create the illusion that this person is unfairly treated by DT.

TRUST ME!
i got red trust because you all gang on me, just like how VINSIN got red trust when all DT gang on him!


same mate. how is this different?
Feedbacks left from "customers" is one of these factors. As far as i can see, there are no customers feedback till me.

+ some even don't want to give positive trust after successful deal.


thats the problem, i thought DT can be trusted? Forum this big requires a lot manpower, why binance have lots of employees?
Even Binance, i believe, hold billions of dollars. I salute CZ that he can handle this trust.

Hi!

Obviously you are confusing rating/reviews with the trust system.
DTs tag members based on many factors. Feedbacks left from "customers" is one of these factors.
DTs identify scammers and tag them as a preventive mesure.
Though, positive trust should be given to a member after he makes successful deals.

In fact, your first question prooves how active DT members are, thus you can be sure if you open an accusation thread, they will take the necessary acts.
Now, would you trust newbies that didn't make the effort even to reply here?!

It's not.

And it wouldn't help idiots like you who ignore warnings anyway. You could do it on your own by building your own trust list to include only users who post trust feedback based on their own trades. Right now you're doing pretty much the opposite - you're including users who share your dislike for some other users.

Why can DT feedback not be trusted? If there are obvious signs of a scam, shouldn't that be publicized accordingly?

Moreover, there are escrows in place if people look for them. However, centralization of escrow services isn't exactly what you want.

omg, i said that the DT feedback can't be trusted. Default escrow should be in place to prevent scams.

I am not blaming the DT, i am not a fan of the trust system that's all.

Just explain why you think that users should lose money to scams and then provide feedback when they can be protected with proactive feedback.

It's the only way! I know it's not easy and takes time, but well, he can always ask for public donations and i will donate.
theymos can keep certain information.
I do hope he can consider.

why this thread only DT members are replying? Where are the members and newbies?
another problem of this system.
To be clear, i'm not on either side, but since this system is corrupt, then i sided more with anti DT.

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.
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you all gang up against us.

There is no fair reviews at all!
DT defending their positions,
anti DT gang also defending their positions

you did not read previous post seriously!
As i said, how can i trust you guys, did you buy the item? simple answer.

If not, then there is no such business in the world that allow customers to anyhow give feedback without buying items!

You're either a complete idiot or an alt account, and I'm 90% sure it's the latter. *Edit: could also be both* In any case, the above quote is probably correct and that's the way it's supposed to be, since only 5% or so of newbies aren't bounty spammers.  If you're somehow not an alt account, you may not be familiar with why the merit system was created in the first place.  I'll leave it to you to search through Meta to find the answer to that--but since you can't write English properly, you probably can't read it well either and wouldn't be able to distinguish a good post from a shitpost.

I'm puzzled as to OP's gripe.  He claims to have gotten scammed by VINSIN, and even though VINSIN was extensively tagged by DT members, OP is blaming DT members....because VINSIN's other victims (not sure who they are) didn't tag him?  And thus the trust system is so broken that OP is joining the moron brigade in order to overthrow the default trust system?  Have I interpreted this correctly?

Makes zero sense.  

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