Topic: There should be a public general elections on the DTs - page 3. (Read 1238 times)

because he didn't do full DD and check the un trusted feedback as well - so its the forums fault - all this fucking fuss for $40!

Suppose someone is selling a gambling script that they claim to guarantee winnings. This is a clear scam.

Suppose someone is selling a stolen item.

Suppose someone is opening an ICO with a fake team and whitepaper.

I'm still wondering why you blame the DefaultTrust negative feedback for VINSIN's scamming of you.

If i am buying something from store, i can just see the store seller as scammer even if i have not purchased anything from him?
Where is the logic?

Thats why it's ripped off!
It's all about the inner circle gang up and bullies us!

Thats why VINSIN is able to scam so many people!
It's not about the same people anymore!

The trust system is not based on whether you have made a transaction or not. Trusted feedback is based on your personal trust list. Anyone outside of your DefaultTrust depth settings have their feedback shown as untrusted.

Therefore it is not a matter of whether you are a customer or not.

firstly, don't judge a book by its cover!
ponzi is already illegal from start. That one we know. And should be deleted.
simple.

as i said,
See, the problem is this, not all are scammers!
By creating this, u make the illusion that that guy instantly is a scammer without transacting with him?

If i have successful trade with escrow, and i posted here? a good feedback? what will you do?

I can't believe you are still defending the trust system?

highlighted 2 things

Accused - go read a dictionary
Emails - You are a lying cunt you ain't seen shit on email you twat

I don't see why you think that it's proper to wait for a victim to send a user negative trust.

Do we wait for thieves to steal before we convict them of their crimes, despite knowing their intent?

How about ponzi schemes? If we wait until they collapse to warn people that it's a scam then there will be literally no consequence to someone starting a ponzi.

I have provided proof that Lauda has been accused of extortion and it has been proofed he sent these emails.The purpose is irrelevant.
I have proofed that a legandary has recently sold high ranked account and still no DT member expect lauda has tagged him.

You don't do your duty as DT member.You are clearly not able to hold that position

?? you are not trusted as you are a nobody in the grand scheme of things - if you have issues ask someone trusted on DT to tag, provide proof and it will be actioned if true.

if every newbie could tag the forum trust system would mean nothing - surely you understand this simple concept

It says trade with extreme caution.
And the opinion of these DT punks is irrelevant.What matters is the reality and reality is that majority of forum members instantly take you as scammer when seeing the default red trust

You are not a customer. You are a forum member.

ok then means DT here admits that the trust system is corrupt!

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted! Ok can!

stop posting 40 things I cant keep up - lets keep to these points

Account selling isn't trusted here = you got ripped off buying an account.
you didn't use escrow = you got ripped off
you ignored a load of red taggs = you got ripped off.

the system isn't broken - your attitude towards it is.

As i said, i only don't like how the trust works!
You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

How is this not valid? I proved so much of my point and all DT does is to gang up against me.
That's another problem.
I'm sure lots of anti DT gang does not like how the trust system work, thats why they want to overthrow the DT.
I am just giving feedback on why the trust system is a total mess, not the DT.
Because DT are the one giving trusted feedback, then we have to overthrow them right?


He's even admitted to ripping people off in the past.
I only saw he admitted to selling accounts.
This is why he get the sales! This guy knows marketing.
I always learn something from mistakes and criticism, yes, may be hard to swallow, thats the only way i can improve.

It's up to the admin whether this system is questionable or not. I will always say that this system will continue to scam more people.
You don't realized it.

All you want to hear is nice things in front of you, of how this system works well for you. That's just all bootlicking!
I don't trust bootlickers because most of them always have hidden agenda. Just like how most DT here.
Maybe that's why they like to gang up!

Be honest, do nice things really improve you?
Or criticism improve you?

This world, no one can be trusted! So why i should trust the DT?

VINSIN already had a bright, deep red trust before you got scammed. So what exactly is the problem with the trust system? It warned you not to trust him, you did anyway, now you're bitching about it? Makes no sense. He's even admitted to ripping people off in the past.

man i'm confused by your wall of text, i'm not having a go as I want to address your issue as you feel slighted by other senior members pointing out you are wrong. I feel you as a newbie have no idea of Theymo's vision of decentralisation - no real knowledge of forum politics either.

Account selling isn't trusted here = you got ripped off buying an account.
you didn't use escrow = you got ripped off
you ignored a load of red taggs = you got ripped off.

the system isn't broken - your attitude towards it is. You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

but let me pose this question to you - if you hadn't tried to buy an account you wouldn't of got SKAMED would you?

I already said, trust system is only for marketplace and should be placed after buyers have bought items from sellers with default escrow.
You get rid of most scams already.

Or keep the DT and remove the trust. the trust is ripped off.

the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.
The problem is that DT cannot be not trusted when it comes to transactions.
As it should have real customers feedback.

Or why not create like subdomain? where user set up own shop like amazon?
And then the trust will link to his or her main bitcointalk account, something like that.
Trust will show up after users have bought.

If u continue with this trust, i believe more will get scammed. I can't believe that VISIN managed to scam 2 before me with just 6 transactions.

I believe bitcoin.com has lots of subdomain, and has neater interface.
Although owned by wrong person!
As CZ said, always copy competitors.

I don't see abuse, I see people wanting to protect the forum - Admins and theymos do not patrol and police scams that is down to DT, DT years ago saw account trading as an issue and tagged traders - the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.

so you agree DT is needed - you now know it needs to be self regulating and you know that a pure voting system can be manipulated by the nefarious user who has the most alts/ time to make the most alts.

tell me a better system than we have now - exactly how would you design your own trust system?

if business you mean ICO?
For this i think a rating will be better.
bitcointalk rating system. Like icobench.
The level of scam something like that. I think it's more fair.
Whether they have legit team, Whitepaper is good or not, etc.
let the public decide, as i said, DT can be biased.
A good example is how they will gang up on me in this thread.

Of course you can say i can create many alts. Then let the admin choose the rating. Simple.
Can be improved as we go along. That's why every member feedback is important.

Just that this Trust system has been clearly abused!

trusted users? i don't think they are automatically placed on trusted just because they are inner circle.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed.
I do agree some DT is needed, but some are clearly abusing it. Spamming trusted feedbacks too.

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times
Doesn't spamming feedbacks counted in this? tagging 100x
same right?
Thats why trust system should be placed after seller has bought the items.

Why can't you see that the trust system has something wrong with it?

Please do not just take 1 side of it.

Right lets use some logic here fella = using you as an example only

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times

now lets say only people who have traded with you can tag you -
you start a business that is obviously a ponzi I as an experienced member of this forum know that people will lose money - how do we highlight this if I cannot tag you unless I have dealt with you?

prevention is better than cure and the real issue here is that you tried to buy an account and ignored red tags from trusted users and didn't use and escrow. if you hadn't ignored the tags and actually read around the forum you would realise that buying an account isn't cool and trusting someone "who default trust do not trust" is a fast way to lose money.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed