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Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 07:29:07 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:25:17 AM

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

every user? you think every users want to buy?
The problem now is that they have not even buy anything at all, why are they allowed to give trusted feedback?

Most trusted, but i don't see them having any transactions at all. How can their feedback automatically be placed on trusted?
I see that there is no logic here!

Thats why the trust is valid only for marketplace trade. And should be placed after buyer has bought items from seller. I think this is more fair.

Quote from: cryptohunter on January 31, 2019, 07:34:34 AM

Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 07:29:07 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:25:17 AM

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

More lies.

Default trust is home to proven liars, trust abusers and worse.

Do not trust anything this person says. He is a self confessed trust abuser that gives red trust to people for posting facts regarding his pals wrong doing.

Want proof... just ask.

i am not on either side right now, i just want to prove my point that the trust system has been abused.
I always provide a good fair point.
since the DT has been ganging up on me.

But maybe since i'm a newbie, "without power", they are bullying me.
It's always the people vote against the government.

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Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 07:29:07 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:25:17 AM

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

More lies.

Default trust is home to proven liars, trust abusers and worse.

Do not trust anything this person says. He is a self confessed trust abuser that gives red trust to people for posting facts regarding his pals wrong doing.

Want proof... just ask.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:25:17 AM

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

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Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 07:19:14 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:09:02 AM

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

This isn’t amazon or eBay, this place isn’t filled with bored housewife’s, you are stupid for trying to buy an account and you got scammed for ignoring a shit ton of red and not using escrow. The system isn’t broken your logic is

ok then what is the definition of marketplace? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketplace

bitcointalk stated here marketplace
http://prntscr.com/meq3lu

isn't amazon or ebay a marketplace? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Marketplace

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

now, if there is like a default escrow system in place, but still sellers want to take transactions without escrow, then we, as customers, have the right to give bad feedback also.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:09:02 AM

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

This isn’t amazon or eBay, this place isn’t filled with bored housewife’s, you are stupid for trying to buy an account and you got scammed for ignoring a shit ton of red and not using escrow. The system isn’t broken your logic is

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I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

And where does it says account selling is illegal?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/where-to-sell-bitcointalk-account-legally-1881867

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 07:00:41 AM

See, you all ganged up on newbies even i provide a good valid point.

because you are wrong and cannot backup your stupid claims

Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 05:23:52 AM

your posts are low quality - so to prove the point, please link 4 posts that are of high quality that you believe should have merit.

Post some decent posts and ill give you a clue - not one of yours are decent/quality/good. so find some others and ill rain some merits if they are merit worthy.

you need to remember a newbies knowledge of bitcoin, altcoins and forum politics isn't as good as someone who has been here for 3 years.

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See, you all ganged up on newbies even i provide a good valid point.

Thats the problem why DTs can't be trusted!
You just want to defend your positions.

You can't deny that giving anyone feedback even though they are not customers is a problem.
You just brushed it off because you are scared of losing your positions.

As i said, DT gang up together is also a problem even though others prove a valid point!

How many Jr member or member with low merits has replied to this thread? i only can see 1 newbie, even that is a fair view.

all i see is DT gang up to bash on newbies who prove a valid point.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:52:17 AM

Even if i find ways, the DTs don't even value us newbies, no point!

Even top ranked members are not spared from their ratings. Being a newbie or not knowing the things that can land you up in trouble is not an excuse. There are so many threads being made in Beginners and Help & Meta to help people know what is right or wrong and what can get you tagged by DT.

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They don't take any improvements at all.

Being opinionated wont get you anywhere at all. You have been here for a shorter period of time than the rest of the members and you point is incorrect.

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As the saying goes, When there is a will, there is a way.

Of course you are free to participate in the forum as much as you want. But being a scumbag who decides to riot wont get you anywhere and in the end you will be the one suffering from depression.

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Quote from: ABCbits on January 31, 2019, 06:48:15 AM

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

TMAN already told to provide four quality posts but OP failed to do so. Actually, OP is not trying to make quality post hence s/he is trying to buy a reputed account.

Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 05:23:52 AM

your posts are low quality - so to prove the point, please link 4 posts that are of high quality that you believe should have merit.

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Quote from: TMAN on January 31, 2019, 06:47:42 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:41:35 AM

I didn't use escrow, that's my fault.

so smack yourself in the face and move on you moron - you bought an account when its frowned upon, you dealt with a user without escrow as well. 2 fail safes that if you hadn't ignored them you wouldn't of lost money - but its everyone else's fault now?

fuck me how stupid are you

hello! i said that this thread is about why anyone can give feedback to sellers! Not about escrow...

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A trivia, OP's username means "I like Japanese Porn" Roll Eyes

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 02:38:15 AM

As a member of the public, there should be a general elections whereby we are allowed to vote who will keep their place in the DTs!

Can you find ways to :
1. Prevent someone with multiple accounts have multiple votes
2. Prevent someone who wants to be (or stay as) DT from using money politics (buy someone's vote)
3. Make sure the election process can be proven fair without reveal any of users choice

If you can't solve those problem, i'm sure the election will be disaster and DT condition will become even worse

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 04:08:23 AM

Most quality posts does not even receive any merits!

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

I always this thread every few days and send some merit to reported good posts if i have merit left.

Even if i find ways, the DTs don't even value us newbies, no point!
They don't take any improvements at all.
As the saying goes, When there is a will, there is a way.

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A trivia, OP's username means "I like Japanese Porn" Roll Eyes

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 02:38:15 AM

As a member of the public, there should be a general elections whereby we are allowed to vote who will keep their place in the DTs!

Can you find ways to :
1. Prevent someone with multiple accounts have multiple votes
2. Prevent someone who wants to be (or stay as) DT from using money politics (buy someone's vote)
3. Make sure the election process can be proven fair without reveal any of users choice

If you can't solve those problem, i'm sure the election will be disaster and DT condition will become even worse

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 04:08:23 AM

Most quality posts does not even receive any merits!

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

I always this thread every few days and send some merit to reported good posts if i have merit left.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:41:35 AM

I didn't use escrow, that's my fault.

so smack yourself in the face and move on you moron - you bought an account when its frowned upon, you dealt with a user without escrow as well. 2 fail safes that if you hadn't ignored them you wouldn't of lost money - but its everyone else's fault now?

fuck me how stupid are you

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on January 31, 2019, 06:26:21 AM

So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?

yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.

There should be a default escrow in place! To make sure this is safe transactions.
It's called marketplace for a reason, just like Amazon, eBay.
So the seller built trust on real customers feedback.

But this thread is about how can anyone can give feedback even though they are not customers?

Quote from: shasan on January 31, 2019, 06:34:29 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:20:46 AM

i cant see the link here.
Why are you even linking this to police?

On real-life police work to stop the offense and on this forum DT try to stop the scam.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:20:46 AM

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers?

On Amazon that is for trading only and there, payment can be checked. There are a lot of worker works to stop scammer. And for trade, you have to pay the fee (I am not sure if I am wrong then correct me.) But bitcointalk is a discussion platform where trading is only a sub-board. I want to say sub sub board. And on here there is no fee deduct by the site. So you can't compare these two.

Thats amazon, i know of more legit marketplace in my country that does not take fee for buying and selling. The platform earn by being a gold member and above. You can sell more etc, get statistics.

So you can't compare these two.
then you can't compare police and forum too you see.

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Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?

On Amazon, the identities of both seller and buyer are known.
Unlike Amazon, here, it is impossible to prove the customer is not just an alt of the seller.

Are you sure? Because i have transacted there before , and i don't even know the seller.

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Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?

On Amazon, the identities of both seller and buyer are known.
Unlike Amazon, here, it is impossible to prove the customer is not just an alt of the seller.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:20:46 AM

i cant see the link here.
Why are you even linking this to police?

On real-life police work to stop the offense and on this forum DT try to stop the scam.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 06:20:46 AM

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers?

On Amazon that is for trading only and there, payment can be checked. There are a lot of worker works to stop scammer. And for trade, you have to pay the fee (I am not sure if I am wrong then correct me.) But bitcointalk is a discussion platform where trading is only a sub-board. I want to say sub sub board. And on here there is no fee deduct by the site. So you can't compare these two.

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So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?

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Quote from: shasan on January 31, 2019, 06:11:11 AM

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

simple, DTs are not customers!
you have transacted with him before?

They have made a transaction or not so what? Let me give you an example: Police may catch a criminal but do you think every criminal make offense to the police? If not, then why they will catch?

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

Why are DTs even allowed to give trusted feedback even though they are not customers?
All the feedback is about account selling with no real customers! And my honest customer feedback is untrusted?
I can't see the logic here!

As police catch criminal, to keep the forum scam free or make less scam DT will give feedback. You can exclude anyone if you do not trust that person so that person trust will show on your untrusted list.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

I do my manual check first, and there are not even real customers there. I need a real customer feedback!
Not some inner circle "trusted" gang who just anyhow give feedback!

To see the feedback you have to read comments and reference link sothat you would be able to know the actual reason, reason of that feedback.

i cant see the link here.
Why are you even linking this to police?

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?

This is customers to business!
Simple, as long as you transact, you have the right to give trusted feedback.

And there should not be any accounts that can give trusted feedback till they have transacted.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

simple, DTs are not customers!
you have transacted with him before?

They have made a transaction or not so what? Let me give you an example: Police may catch a criminal but do you think every criminal make offense to the police? If not, then why they will catch?

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

Why are DTs even allowed to give trusted feedback even though they are not customers?
All the feedback is about account selling with no real customers! And my honest customer feedback is untrusted?
I can't see the logic here!

As police catch criminal, to keep the forum scam free or make less scam DT will give feedback. You can exclude anyone if you do not trust that person so that person trust will show on your untrusted list.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

I do my manual check first, and there are not even real customers there. I need a real customer feedback!
Not some inner circle "trusted" gang who just anyhow give feedback!

To see the feedback you have to read comments and reference link sothat you would be able to know the actual reason, reason of that feedback.

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Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

simple, DTs are not customers!
you have transacted with him before?

Why are DTs even allowed to give trusted feedback even though they are not customers?
All the feedback is about account selling with no real customers! And my honest customer feedback is untrusted?
I can't see the logic here!

The customer can leave his feedback or open an accusation thread in the reputation board, DTs will act based on the customer claims after checking all the proofs.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

Another Example is how you guys even ganged up together to bash on others. How to trust?

Use the search button to look for how the trust system works.

Quote from: gwsukabokepjepang on January 31, 2019, 05:42:05 AM

I do my manual check first, and there are not even real customers there. I need a real customer feedback!

How to know if they are really real customers!?
This way, any dealer will create many alts and use them to leave him positive feedback.

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