Topic: These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real? - page 11. (Read 16302 times)

Ok so that sounds more like the replies we are after.  Let me just understand this.

sha256 miners although almost 100% efficient running on gpu - draw less electricity and creates less heat than scrypt... can i ask by exactly how much less electricity? i've never mined sha256...are we talking 50%

sha256 mining you are sure was optimised to almost 100%?  what level of optimisation do you consider x11 miners to have at this point?

Can this therefore be a direct indication and something we can even apply to x11 ?

Also is there any reason at all why x11 could or should me more efficient than QRK?  in terms of heat and electricity used even when the cards calculations resources are maxed and fully optimised?

So far the answer i am getting on that is NO. However if you really think it is possible that is something we need to investigate and consider now.

yes

compare SHA-256 mining with GPU to scrypt
SHA-256 was optimized to the bone with Bitcoin, it was over 99% efficient compared to a "perfect" miner that didn't waste any ops anywhere because it only had a few ops here and there that were necessary but not part of the algorithm

yet it still takes less energy than mining scrypt, when scrypt possibly isn't even as optimized (there aren't several competing scrypt kernels afaik, but for Bitcoin there was fatk, poclbm, diablo, etc.)

Because the farm expanded in stages and the cards were bought in batches, thus hurting homogeneity (different models).


Yep the electricity in particular.


He goes "anonymous".


I haven't asked permission to disclose, and I think I wouldn't be given permission even if I asked.

How do you know it has a mix of cards?  also what user does he go under on the pools. This has to be the largest gpu farm i have heard off. Someone must know where this is, just the amount of cards and electricity must be mind blowing?


Come on what is the pool username ? you must know a lot about it else how do you know what cards it uses and also it is actually them on the pools.

What is the highest GH reading on a scrypt pool that you have seen them use? which pool was it? 

I would have thought 1 GH scrypt without botnet or asic would be crazy.... but i mean if you have seen it and seen the different cards they are using then we have no choice but to believe it.

heavycoin algo is better imho, also more optimized

That particular one has a mix of cards and is actually a nightmare in terms of homogeneity due to the various models, pcs, etc. Generally mines doge & lite. He's usually top spot or second spot in any pool he mines at any given moment.

the algo = less energy?? you are still posting this after reading the entire thread?

Really you know a 1GH farm in pure GPU power.... anyone else know this and can give some details.... how many 7950 are required for this ...or perhaps even 290x ....sounds interesting. Where is it based, who owns it....surely you can give us some details.

Nah sorry that was a instamined scam coin i won't be trying that one. Examine the block explorer and cunning launch time with no announcement.

Just because i currently have 9 inches of my considerable manhood in your mothers asshole does not mean you can call me a fudge packer. Hopefully your sister has a taste for fudge though....we'll find out in another few seconds.

Again answer my questions you retarded fool ... let me post them again for you since you obviously missed them the first time noob troll.

Who cares what you are interested in with your 0.5mh rig and 1000 cents you got given in some giveaway. Pathetic creature. What a silly little slapper you are ...take after the rest of your red neck skanky family.

You miss my big red font, your mom misses my big purple cock , you and your sister miss the taste of my ass.... how can i please you guys all of the time. Give me a break mofo.  I'm sorry to drop the tone down to personal insults or in your case glowing praise but still if you must operate at the gutter level you are accustomed to then i have not choice but to communicate with you in the manner you feel comfortable with.

Meanwhile let's get back to something more interesting............

Here are some questions you forgot to answer...

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?


just tell me some definite benefits of x11 that are real benefits not maybe beneficial but then again if the miner can be improved shown to not be beneficial at all.


come on how hard is it to sell the best solution out there right now???

Not true, qrk adds 3 more rounds of hashing randomly so the computer doesn't know whether it will be lets say Keccak or Grøstl or Blake, but with x11 the computer remains certain about which hashing function will be used.

It quite good algo less energy consumption. Less noise try mining hirocoin

Yep xintensity 400 brings almost 150 kh/s more per card... Thank you! Now if I can start to optimize the 270x some...

There's margin for improvement. My 6850 overclocked @950 pulls 1065kh while in scrypt it does ~280. I find that experimental intensity works better than traditional intensity, usually with a value of 400 or 800.

Okay, sure I know x11 isn't optimized.  Hell there isn't a cudaminer yet, right?  And a bounty is out for that.  Who knows what kind of power we can expect from hardware using x11?  Nobody?  Well I have been toying with it using a 270x and a 6870.  The 6870 I can get to 1.05 MH/s.  I can't seem to reliably get the 270x past 1.25 MH/s.  Still playing with it, but clearly there is room from improvement.  In scrypt the same 6870 pulls 300 kh/s.  The 270x will pull 500 kh/s but I throttle it a bit to 475 for temps.  What will that cudaminer fork bring?  Do I think some people are shady and money hungry?  Yes.  Will it last very long?  No.  This thread is more FUD than advancement in this subject.  Maybe if you made "real" stick out as much as "BULLSHIT" or maybe used a different word, other than something that clearly states your stance.  Maybe then you will find your answers.

Yup and the best way to achieve it is by portraying yourself as a messiah for truth, get all agitated all over the place, use bold sensationalism and a myriad of other negativity. This fudge packer is actually giving a bad name to Qrk. If I was semi-interested in it, I am no longer because it probably has more phags and pricks like the OP in it. Not going to enjoy a community like that.

All of these algos are open source. Go ahead use what you like and improve it for others. There is no x11 vs other algos. Choose what fits your goals and go with it.

I miss the red big font Beecoin signature of his too.

I happen to know one gpu farm that pulls ~1 ghs in scrypt. So, that'd be ~3gh in x11.

You shouldn't start threads like this, if you can't accept facts you don't overview.

The algorithm is only a part of the system that makes up a coin.
There are other methods involved, to secure the proof of work concept (what you call "mining").

Changing any of them, at any time should be of no concern.
The deployment of the necessary software for future coins has to be improved.

X11 is very safe for the moment, because it is very unlikely that there are ASICs out there for each of the 11 algos.
Quark uses only 6 algos, so the probability for an ASIC is how much higher?
 

An the rumor there is a private version of a mining software out there running at better pace is spread by whom?
This is a propaganda thread, pure disinformation.

1.8H is certainly alarming. I find it hard to believe that someone with 600 scrypt mhs worth of gpus would point it all at darkcoin when they could mine something more profitable and use the proceeds to buy drk with instead. This would point to some sort of unfair advantage to make it worthwhile. People should be questioning this instead of mindlessly regurgitating the same 'but it uses less power' argument.

Another thing - anecdotally, Quark and HVC both seem to work my GPUs less than X11. I don't have a kilowatt to check for sure though.

sorry but please answer my questions.... we know that running this perhaps inefficient miner draws less power compared to scrypt . What about compared to QRK? If it does not draw less power then i guess there was not advantage in that respect over previous algos was there?

The money is probably mining at 1.8GH the rest going there are not the money.

DRK has its clear advantage over many coins that being the dark send feature we are not challenging drk we are challenging x11.

If you want to mine drk.... great it has a good active dev...so go for it. However this thread is about x11 since every coin is now thinking of swapping to it