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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

Betting sites care less because they're there for business and to maximize their potentials, they include every events that can lure people to stake and try their luck with the casino. The bodyguard in my own understanding didn't do anything wrong since he only staked on the event and didn't divulge the date to his friends so a lot of people staked on the date, he did it himself and since gambling is legal in the country, so he did a legal thing and didn't commit the crime he's been projected to commit.

If he had lost the best, they wouldn't have come for him. I believe he didn't divulge the classified information before the election date, he only used it to get extra funds in a concealed way which only came to notice after the election and the bet had been won.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on August 08, 2024, 04:04:07 PM

Quote from: Text on June 20, 2024, 12:58:32 AM

I think allowing bets on events like election dates, which can be known or influenced by individuals, poses a significant ethical issue. The bodyguard's actions were certainly inappropriate, but the responsibility also lies with the betting sites for offering such options in the first place. Allowing bets on events that can be manipulated undermines the integrity of both the betting industry and the events themselves. Betting sites should be more cautious and responsible about the types of bets they offer to prevent such issues from arising.

let me just correctly impression concerning this your suggestion I know very well that many individuals have their own ethics participating in the gambling so you cannot judge people based on gambling websites because there are some certain gambling websites who actually do the needful irrespective that we condemn some website but only thing that I have to let us know is that we should make proper investigation for any gambling website before we partake in that particular website or involve ourselves to be gambling website but many people do not accept such advice because, they feel that gambling is all about bad thing

I'm not in a position to judge anyone but how would you define someone who has ethics on gambling?
I'm deeply interested on this topic
is it a person who respects their rules for gambling? who knows when to stop and limits bankroll? who approaches it in a light way and don't get addicted?
does ethics in this case has anything to do with responsibility?

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

Some people posted that such people like the bodyguard should not be allowed to bet on the date of Election but what if he told someone to help him out and the money will be shared?

Definitely it can be manipulated %100. I equally thought of that when I went through that thread which the link is provided above. Any even that is hosted by human to take place a particular date or time is not worthy to be bet on because the information will somehow be exposed by talkative, so if the bodyguard decide to use another person to place the bet, the person would definitely win and they will share the money.

Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

I don't even think such betting option is involved in any gambling site, I think it may just be a local gambling prediction. Op if there is any such site you can do well as to provide a proof for clarity.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

Some people posted that such people like the bodyguard should not be allowed to bet on the date of Election but what if he told someone to help him out and the money will be shared? Or is something like this can not be manipulated? If you know what would be the result of something, you can do one or two or more manipulation with that thing.

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

This apply to sports too, what if Conor Macgregor bets about his own fight and lose to multiply his money, and i think it has happen a lot of times in history, even in soccer some times teams lose to make money with bets, and as you mention, they don't have to place the bet with their own name, they can get a third party to place the bet and pay them a fee for the service.

Since this apply to sports and almost any kind of event bet I do not agree that this shouldn't be allowed. But those who do it if they get caught then they can go to jail, that's the risk.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 08, 2024, 07:37:29 AM

Quote from: junder on August 07, 2024, 09:16:18 PM

so when the bet that is made ends in defeat then it is not a solution to find someone and blame them. what you said is true there is no one to blame, the bet that is made is based on one's own desires if you want to blame for the defeat that occurs then blame yourself not others.
besides blaming others is not fair and will not improve the situation.

A true gambler never blames people or points a finger at someone but rather takes it because we are not forced to bet; we decide it. As I understand it, losing in gambling isn't the fault of the casino or anyone else but us. We gamble, but not to assume that we could win; instead, we gamble because we want it, and whatever the results are, we are willing to accept them.

That is why, before we decide to risk our money to gamble, we already understand that we don't have winning assurance. We came just for hope; maybe we got some luck and won. But if we are here gambling, thinking to multiply our money, we only just ended up frustrated.

that's right, of course wise gamblers know that defeat is something that can clearly happen and they consider it a natural thing and do not make themselves have a sense of revenge wanting to recover losses or blame others for the defeat that has occurred. it is a must when we gamble with the results that occur must be accepted well including defeat, because if with victory it is clear that it can certainly be accepted by everyone who gambles, but there are still people who cannot take advantage of that victory properly.

besides that we need to allocate an amount that is willing to be lost, because if you are not ready to lose then don't do it or in other words don't look for a new disease. the absence of guarantees in gambling is not a problem because gambling owners also want profit so for those who are wise in their mindset will not consider gambling more than just entertainment. what you said is right, if we gamble with the aim of getting profit or doubling money it can make us emotionally unstable or even frustrated because we cannot accept losing money.

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Quote from: Text on June 20, 2024, 12:58:32 AM

I think allowing bets on events like election dates, which can be known or influenced by individuals, poses a significant ethical issue. The bodyguard's actions were certainly inappropriate, but the responsibility also lies with the betting sites for offering such options in the first place. Allowing bets on events that can be manipulated undermines the integrity of both the betting industry and the events themselves. Betting sites should be more cautious and responsible about the types of bets they offer to prevent such issues from arising.

let me just correctly impression concerning this your suggestion I know very well that many individuals have their own ethics participating in the gambling so you cannot judge people based on gambling websites because there are some certain gambling websites who actually do the needful irrespective that we condemn some website but only thing that I have to let us know is that we should make proper investigation for any gambling website before we partake in that particular website or involve ourselves to be gambling website but many people do not accept such advice because, they feel that gambling is all about bad thing

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Quote from: Egii Nna on August 08, 2024, 08:20:42 AM

Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

This is not a bet but nonsense. How can you bet on such a thing when you know well that this result doesn’t depend on probability but the interest of someone else? Then definitely the betting site is not ready because if it goes to me, I will take that bet as a set-up for gamblers that will fall for this. All I know about this type of betting depends on some people's selfishness because they will know how to fix the results in their favour to get what they ever wanted, and this will make many other people trust that and put their money to lose, so to me, I will just define this scenario as a scam, not a bet, because there is no point here that this is not a setup, so to be precise, the betting site is in fault to accept such a bet.

To some level I think election is what we should take a bet on at all time this is because in such a situation as this one the gambler in the real sense will just predict who the winner of the election will be and at the end of the day he will wait to see the outcome of the election and what the results and declared winner will be to see if his luck shines or not, this is very ok, but on the occasion wherein l the election is rigged and in countries where there is high corruption and election irregularities it's important that you should note the direction the election will go even before voting process.

So for that, some close workers and associates will be blocked from taking such bets on those occasions because they already have an insider's information that will influence their winning ratio.

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Quote from: Ojima-ojo on August 07, 2024, 09:49:09 AM

Was the rule that prohibited the body guard from betting on the election stated before he places the bet, or it was afterwards that he already betted and possibility of winning before this case got triggered up to this level.

On the norm's, Individuals with an insider's Information are prohibited from certain activities and possibly the election that the arrest was done were where he is exposed to knowing the election date.

what is the big deal with betting on the day of election?
I mean, the house should probably close bets some hours before the votes are counted exactly to avoid lagging and inside information people taking advantage of the delay
but apart from that, I don't see such a big deal...
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Don't really understand because after all, when a site does provide betting even if it is a bet on election results then it is legal. Because after all,in elections there are also candidates to choose from and of course, the site will only make choices on registered candidates, of course the exact results cannot be determined, because betting is also a choice which means there are many choices available. For example, like betting on sports and in reality,in one match there are many options that you can bet on even before the match starts.

However, if the problem is about defeat experienced by a candidate for the DPR, president or government and then a candidate loses in the election, until they look for someone who might be the cause of his defeat in the election. So this is not included in a bet, but about the candidate's disappointment in losing the election itself and not because he lost the bet.

I'm not an engineer but they could probably adjust the engine to change odds when the vote counting begins and close it at some point, the same way they do with soccer games and goals, if you keep up with the book on live games it changes during the game and some options become gray and you're unable to bet on these.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

My understanding is that the gambling site is not wrong, they place betting options in accordance with the procedures and legal provisions that apply to gambling. This case was only because the guard won a large amount when betting, so this case was raised.

My question is that other users also placed bets on the election date, why isn't it being investigated, why should the guards just be investigated......!

I think this is a case of shrimp behind a rock, indeed from one side the impression of a bad guard in the eyes of the public, because he bets on certain sacred days, I'm sure there are other elements behind all this, so it is in the public spotlight.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

This is not a bet but nonsense. How can you bet on such a thing when you know well that this result doesn’t depend on probability but the interest of someone else? Then definitely the betting site is not ready because if it goes to me, I will take that bet as a set-up for gamblers that will fall for this. All I know about this type of betting depends on some people's selfishness because they will know how to fix the results in their favour to get what they ever wanted, and this will make many other people trust that and put their money to lose, so to me, I will just define this scenario as a scam, not a bet, because there is no point here that this is not a setup, so to be precise, the betting site is in fault to accept such a bet.

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Quote from: junder on August 07, 2024, 09:16:18 PM

Quote from: milewilda on August 07, 2024, 04:55:49 PM

Its called betting or gambling in the first place because you are really that betting into something on which it would really be just normal that you would really be taking up that particular risks on the moment that you would be placing up your bets. Therefore, it would really be just that understandable that you do really know on what are the probabilities that could happen on a bet on which it would really be just that only losing or winning on which you should really be that get prepared and easily accepting on whatever the results. The wrong thing about other people is that they dont just easily accept when it comes to losing condition
on which its pretty normal when dealing up with gambling. There's no one to blame but only you but better not having this kind of behavior because gambling should really be that for fun and not making yourself get stressed out.

agreed, indeed we must be able to prepare and accept whatever results happen besides that gambling is indeed a game of probability and luck and most likely what will happen is defeat or loss then we should be able to accept this well because it has become a statement that is certain to happen. the other side even though there is a chance of reward but it is not certain that is why we must be prepared if we will experience a loss of money in betting. also need to know luck can not come and side with what we want, because no one can predict luck will side at the time according to their wishes.

so when the bet that is made ends in defeat then it is not a solution to find someone and blame them. what you said is true there is no one to blame, the bet that is made is based on one's own desires if you want to blame for the defeat that occurs then blame yourself not others.
besides blaming others is not fair and will not improve the situation.

A true gambler never blames people or points a finger at someone but rather takes it because we are not forced to bet; we decide it. As I understand it, losing in gambling isn't the fault of the casino or anyone else but us. We gamble, but not to assume that we could win; instead, we gamble because we want it, and whatever the results are, we are willing to accept them.

That is why, before we decide to risk our money to gamble, we already understand that we don't have winning assurance. We came just for hope; maybe we got some luck and won. But if we are here gambling, thinking to multiply our money, we only just ended up frustrated.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on August 07, 2024, 04:04:52 PM

Quote from: Ojima-ojo on August 07, 2024, 09:49:09 AM

Was the rule that prohibited the body guard from betting on the election stated before he places the bet, or it was afterwards that he already betted and possibility of winning before this case got triggered up to this level.

On the norm's, Individuals with an insider's Information are prohibited from certain activities and possibly the election that the arrest was done were where he is exposed to knowing the election date.

The outcome of an election is completely unknown before the elections so I do not see any conflict of interest here. Even the candidates cannot say with certainty if they will win or not so how can their body guard know what will be the outcome to make the case described a conflict of interest. Like you said, no law prohibit the body guard from placing a bet on the election and he can even bet against his principal if he so choses. I still maintain that there is no insider information in election victory unless you are telling us the election will not be free and fair.

That's correct, but I think the problem here is letting that celebrity or politician gamble. Sure, he doesn't know if he will be the winner of the event or the voting process and they cannot or should not be manipulating any of it. They do this in sports, the relatives cannot gamble because there's a chance that the player asked them to and he can throw the game so that the bet could win.

Still, I think the solution here is to close the betting lines at an early stage, before the voting begins or even 1 day before it starts. That way no one really knows what is going to happen and even bodyguards or relatives of the person joining the event, there's no assurance if their bets will win.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on August 07, 2024, 04:04:52 PM

Quote from: Ojima-ojo on August 07, 2024, 09:49:09 AM

Was the rule that prohibited the body guard from betting on the election stated before he places the bet, or it was afterwards that he already betted and possibility of winning before this case got triggered up to this level.

On the norm's, Individuals with an insider's Information are prohibited from certain activities and possibly the election that the arrest was done were where he is exposed to knowing the election date.

The outcome of an election is completely unknown before the elections so I do not see any conflict of interest here. Even the candidates cannot say with certainty if they will win or not so how can their body guard know what will be the outcome to make the case described a conflict of interest. Like you said, no law prohibit the body guard from placing a bet on the election and he can even bet against his principal if he so choses. I still maintain that there is no insider information in election victory unless you are telling us the election will not be free and fair.

But you are wrong if you have such perception, basically each candidate will have percentage of the amount of support they can get, even certain parties also analyze all of this so that who is favored can be seen clearly.
Moreover, in this context we are told that all of this happens with the royal system, it will be concerning all the performance of different election methods and of course people in kingdom can know in detail about the election that will be held.
But for the problem of prohibitions like that I still don't really understand it because of course each country will have its own different rules and regulations, what is clear is that this problem occurs not because of betting but because of important secret information that is used for personal gain.
What is clear is that something like this will be difficult for outsiders to understand, and we don't know what really happened and became conspiracy all of this to happen.

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Quote from: milewilda on August 07, 2024, 04:55:49 PM

Its called betting or gambling in the first place because you are really that betting into something on which it would really be just normal that you would really be taking up that particular risks on the moment that you would be placing up your bets. Therefore, it would really be just that understandable that you do really know on what are the probabilities that could happen on a bet on which it would really be just that only losing or winning on which you should really be that get prepared and easily accepting on whatever the results. The wrong thing about other people is that they dont just easily accept when it comes to losing condition
on which its pretty normal when dealing up with gambling. There's no one to blame but only you but better not having this kind of behavior because gambling should really be that for fun and not making yourself get stressed out.

agreed, indeed we must be able to prepare and accept whatever results happen besides that gambling is indeed a game of probability and luck and most likely what will happen is defeat or loss then we should be able to accept this well because it has become a statement that is certain to happen. the other side even though there is a chance of reward but it is not certain that is why we must be prepared if we will experience a loss of money in betting. also need to know luck can not come and side with what we want, because no one can predict luck will side at the time according to their wishes.

so when the bet that is made ends in defeat then it is not a solution to find someone and blame them. what you said is true there is no one to blame, the bet that is made is based on one's own desires if you want to blame for the defeat that occurs then blame yourself not others.
besides blaming others is not fair and will not improve the situation.

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Quote from: milewilda on August 07, 2024, 04:55:49 PM

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

I remember when we were kids, we used to bet on the stupid things because we seems to have confidence in what we know, this same idealogy applies to gambling casino. You think you know about something and you are confident about it, why not make money with your confidence and about what you know. That's what gambling is about, predictions on events and as long as people want to do it, casino owe no one an explanation for including the event on their service.

Let's say the casino do it because they want to make money from people, you should have know better when you accepted their terms and conditions in their casino when you registered. All the things you see they do, they do it in accordance with the conditions they gave you while registering on the casino. It's your choice to either play the game or just ignore it when you see the one that you don't like.

Its called betting or gambling in the first place because you are really that betting into something on which it would really be just normal that you would really be taking up that particular risks on the moment that you would be placing up your bets. Therefore, it would really be just that understandable that you do really know on what are the probabilities that could happen on a bet on which it would really be just that only losing or winning on which you should really be that get prepared and easily accepting on whatever the results. The wrong thing about other people is that they dont just easily accept when it comes to losing condition
on which its pretty normal when dealing up with gambling. There's no one to blame but only you but better not having this kind of behavior because gambling should really be that for fun and not making yourself get stressed out.

Only two things are constant with gambling, and that is, winning and losing, so before any gambler should attempts to gamble, you should first of all make sure you understand the level of risk you are about to take and at the same time be ready to take the sole responsibility for your actions and it results at the end of the day, because by doing so, you help your self to control the pains and disappointment that comes with losing a bet, this is most important to avoid what the title is telling us on how gamblers choosea to blame others instead of accepting their own mistakes a d learning from them, this is most important and good for the mental health of the gambler, sometimes because of greed, some newbies gambler's sees gambling as some form of get rich by all means thing, and when that doesn't happens, the chose to chass after crownd and blaming everyone for their own mistakes.

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Quote from: Huppercase on August 07, 2024, 04:30:26 PM

Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

I remember when we were kids, we used to bet on the stupid things because we seems to have confidence in what we know, this same idealogy applies to gambling casino. You think you know about something and you are confident about it, why not make money with your confidence and about what you know. That's what gambling is about, predictions on events and as long as people want to do it, casino owe no one an explanation for including the event on their service.

Let's say the casino do it because they want to make money from people, you should have know better when you accepted their terms and conditions in their casino when you registered. All the things you see they do, they do it in accordance with the conditions they gave you while registering on the casino. It's your choice to either play the game or just ignore it when you see the one that you don't like.

Its called betting or gambling in the first place because you are really that betting into something on which it would really be just normal that you would really be taking up that particular risks on the moment that you would be placing up your bets. Therefore, it would really be just that understandable that you do really know on what are the probabilities that could happen on a bet on which it would really be just that only losing or winning on which you should really be that get prepared and easily accepting on whatever the results. The wrong thing about other people is that they dont just easily accept when it comes to losing condition
on which its pretty normal when dealing up with gambling. There's no one to blame but only you but better not having this kind of behavior because gambling should really be that for fun and not making yourself get stressed out.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on August 07, 2024, 04:04:52 PM

Quote from: Ojima-ojo on August 07, 2024, 09:49:09 AM

Was the rule that prohibited the body guard from betting on the election stated before he places the bet, or it was afterwards that he already betted and possibility of winning before this case got triggered up to this level.

On the norm's, Individuals with an insider's Information are prohibited from certain activities and possibly the election that the arrest was done were where he is exposed to knowing the election date.

The outcome of an election is completely unknown before the elections so I do not see any conflict of interest here. Even the candidates cannot say with certainty if they will win or not so how can their body guard know what will be the outcome to make the case described a conflict of interest. Like you said, no law prohibit the body guard from placing a bet on the election and he can even bet against his principal if he so choses. I still maintain that there is no insider information in election victory unless you are telling us the election will not be free and fair.

Yes, it means that in the end it is still something that cannot be ascertained about what will happen, or which candidate will win, because in the end everything will only always be known when the election process is over, and this is not much different from the concept of gambling in general where whoever you are,
you can only speculate and assume at the beginning but will never be able to know what will actually happen at the end of the game or at the end of the election process to find out the results.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

I remember when we were kids, we used to bet on the stupid things because we seems to have confidence in what we know, this same idealogy applies to gambling casino. You think you know about something and you are confident about it, why not make money with your confidence and about what you know. That's what gambling is about, predictions on events and as long as people want to do it, casino owe no one an explanation for including the event on their service.

Let's say the casino do it because they want to make money from people, you should have know better when you accepted their terms and conditions in their casino when you registered. All the things you see they do, they do it in accordance with the conditions they gave you while registering on the casino. It's your choice to either play the game or just ignore it when you see the one that you don't like.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

Some people posted that such people like the bodyguard should not be allowed to bet on the date of Election but what if he told someone to help him out and the money will be shared?

Is there any difference between gambling on your own or asking someone to place the bet and the money being shared? I see it as the same thing, as long as you tell the person how he or she will be placing the bet, then you are completely wrong. Since the bodyguard knows the date already, he shouldn’t even place the bet, or ask anyone to place the bet, or even reveal the date to any of his friends or family members. The best thing to do is just to keep on observing, and if he wants to gamble, then he should do that on other sports or events that he knows nothing about.

Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

I agree with you that men shouldn't be completely blamed, because we know most events like this can easily be manipulated, but in a case like this, the man shouldn’t just gamble since it’s against the rules. If you are holding some public office, there are some things that you are not just supposed to be doing.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 19, 2024, 04:19:03 PM

I think betting sites should not be allowed to include such bet. They should not just only be blaming the man. I see the betting site faults also. Why making people to bet on a result that someone set?

In this case I think we also have to be aware because in the end when a site makes a bet it is based on the large number of enthusiasts that exist so it is quite natural in the brain of doing business everything will definitely be utilized as well as in some bets such as miss world or in any case as long as it will be profitable then surely the bet will be carried out because they are clearly doing business regardless of whether it will benefit one side or some controversy about sharing money etc. they will not think about it because profit is what is sought.

Although I still have not seen this and been in it but indeed in some examples such as betting in presidential elections or regional heads does exist in my country even though it is a taboo.
Regardless of the right and wrong of this, at the end of the day, profit is what is sought so we can't do much about it.

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