Topic: This frozen chicken “had a rich, emotional life.” - page 13. (Read 21178 times)

The store taking action and a liberal state like Cali responding to those threats seriously are two different things. Until someone gets hurt for foie gras, unfortunately.

Have the stores taken action to stop these events or do they let the protests go on?

DEATH THREATS OVER FOIE GRAS




Hermosa beach restaurant owner Sean Chaney is rejoicing despite death threats since returning to serving foie gras. His ability to again sell the dish comes as the result of a judge overturning a ban on serving the French fatty duck liver delicacy.


Chaney called the return to selling the dish an “incredible feeling,” and said, “It’s nice to be vindicated,” reported CBS San Francisco. Chaney had sued the state of California in 2012 over a law that effectively prevented him from selling the controversial dish.

Chaney says, per CBS San Francisco, that the FBI is looking into the several death threats that have been aimed at the restaurant owner. He says of the foie gras controversy, “I think it’s done with respect to animals and I think the farmers are doing the best job they can with today’s standards.”

PETA (People for the Ethical treatment of Animals) protested outside Chaney’s restaurant after the establishment began again selling the ingredient they call a “vile dish.”


http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/01/11/death-threats-over-foie-gras/

That's exactly the point. Animals are computers, just like AI. They happen to be extremely complex. But people at our core are capable of being masters of anything, if we would only wake up and stop calling ourselves animals.

Computers compute.. sentient beings comprehend..

Neat article.

Can a computer think? Can it be self-aware? If it is programmed to think or be self-aware, is it really self-aware? Or is it only programmed to act like it is thinking and self-aware, without being self-aware at all? Consider even a highly complex computer.

The kind of self-awareness that human beings have is extremely different than the animals. It goes multitudes of levels beyond what any animal can do. The actuating of it may "tickle" untold numbers of dimensions that even the mindful thinking can't calculate mathematically or in any other way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

Its always a difference between different kind of lifeforms. Though it was only an assumption that animals dont feel pain. At least nowadays practically no one believes this anymore. Otherwise all forms of cruelty to animals would be perfectly fine since they are only robots mimicking the reaction on pain.

Why shouldnt they feel it? Its the same nervous system that transports the pain signals to the brain and as long as the brain works the pain can be felt and the lifeform reacts. But i think its a very thin edge to say that animals dont feel pain.

By the way... what is self aware? Is a chimpansee who recognizes himself on the mirror not self aware? You say humans can do nice things with... probably meditation and more. So you think animals dont think? I dont see how you can say it so sure that no animal can reach a high point of self-awareness. I mean do you think all humans are the same. There are enough realls stupid persons and there are a good bunch of really big thinkers. Why should it be different with animals? And why do you have the idea that humans have to be better? I wonder where this is coming from. Religion, do you fear only being another form of animal, do you fear to hurt lifeforms and its easier for you to see them as robots or where does it come from?

If you look into it, you will find that humans have a tiny section in their brains that animals don't have. This section makes it so that people can self-aware to the extreme. Animals might be self-aware one level... or two levels in a few of the more intelligent animals. But if people ever take the time to set their self-awareness going, it becomes something like facing two mirrors towards each other, where you can see in both mirrors, what looks like a hall of mirrors that goes on to infinity. This is like a feedback that takes awareness to points beyond understanding. This is a touching of the soul that animals do not have.

This sounds like a theory coming from a religious background. For the start... a soul is something you have to believe yet. I dont know a soul was scientifically observed. So does this mean you are a robot too? Or does it make you more because you can think about this. Then... why would you think all animals cant have thoughts in that direction? The intellgence of animals are often measured in the intelligence of human childs. Human childs at first dont recognize themself in the mirror. Thats a sign of intelligence that comes later. A good bunch of animals can recognize themself. Though its often even different between the same race of animals.

Consequently people who circumcise childs (without anestetics) claim that babies dont feel pain.

So at the end its all a thing of "Believe" though in fact science can give good hints there. Pain felt by humans isnt much different from many animals, same structure of nervous system. Some scientists even claim plants have emotions. Only because something cant speak doesnt mean we should assume its only acting. Maybe its easier for us to believe that the pain is not real but i think its better to assume they feel it like us and act accordingly. That doesnt mean we should stop to eat since at the end we only can life by doing so.

By the way... why should animals be controlled by outside forces and humans not? If you think so then you could start believing that every human, beside you, is a soulless robot. Only there to act like a human. I dont see a hint that justifies such a view.

Sorry if I sounded like a tool. I just felt like pretending to be a scientist for some reason

Prove it.

How about this:

From http://guardianlv.com/2013/05/nasa-confirms-super-human-abilities-gained/
and this from http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/28-08-2006/84110-sunlight-0/
See? We don't really need food at all. Even the plants can go free.

You might like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=826HMLoiE_o

This video shows a San bushman practicing the "persistence hunt". This guy gives thanks at the end of his hunt. Man does he earn it. Amazing technique.

No matter what we believe, I understand the meaning of giving thanks before eating anything as a form of respect of Nature. So called primitive cultures always thanks the spirit of the animals they are killing for food. It is an ultimate form of respect and understanding of how precious life is.


I many not wear their skin and antlers while jumping in a cab after diner though...

Robots. All robots, designed by God to give us enjoyment in this life.

There was this cute calf on my land, but belonging to a neighbor. Very young, very curious. It would come near my door and look at me watching TV. I would try to stand up verryyyyy slowly so I could touch it, but it would run away so fast, every time.
No doubt this animal was playful and was trying to understand the meaning of me sitting doing nothing. But it was still not enough for that calf not to be turned into food later in its life. 

On the other hand, how do we really know that animals have emotions?

I tend to think that emotions can only be felt or had by creatures that have a literal soul. I think animals are essentially robots (cyborgs?) that are built to efficiently mimic emotions at times. The fact that animals save lives at some times, simply proves that they are controlled by outside forces that use them for the saving of lives.

Some funny stuff.

Where do LGBT issues and animal liberation intersect? Your mind, that's where.

But on a side note: Chickens do have an emotional life, it's really all they have. The emotions of animals are the same emotions we feel. They feel loss, joy, etc. That does not keep me from slaughtering and eating them, but I do recognize their lives and I am thankful that they were there to feed me.

I love animals, too. Cats, if properly trained, make for good target practice. People in some countries eat them.