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Still 2020 and people do not get the idea behind Bitcoin and the Block Chain. But I kind of understand why most are so confused out there.

When, taking fiat currencies as an example, there was inflation making money worthless after few hours, people rushed to get rid of those bank notes in exchange of food because hours later that same currency was worthless. In the case of BTC, it is hard to let go of some of them because of the contrary, we know it is increasing in value due to its deflationary conception and the fact that the price still does not reflect the real value.

I would say that the real value must be like 1 satoshi = 1 dollar, not because Bitcoin is more valuable but because fiat currencies will be almost worthless someday. Like the analogy of the spoon in the first Matrix movie.

And the only way we can see more transactions today is by asking fixed amounts in Bitcoins for a service or product, even if the counterpart in fiat currencies is much less. Of course many will not agree to this, but it is actually the only way you can increase your stash of Bitcoins in relationship to the total amount that will ever be in circulation. The idea is that all transactions remain in Bitcoins, you do not need to think about trading them away, you need to contribute to the Bitcoin Economy so all transactions remain there, the longer we remain exchanging BTC in and out the real power of them will not be fully revealed.

You are wrong.

The Europeans and Canadians did the same thing.

Jesus fuckin christ, why is it statists constantly strawman. seriously you could try atleast mixing up your logical fallacies try some other logical fallacy every now and then.

pointing out the obvious fact that scamers exist in the bitcoin community is not an argument that markets cant form with out a governmental foundation or that the bitcoin economy is not an example of markets forming without a governmental foundation. Which if you will remember is what we were discussing, what we were not discussing is whether or not there are scamers in the bitcoin community, which there obviously are, no shit.

How would you like it if i tried to respond to your points by saying "no you are wrong my dog is not white its brown" then proceeded to claim that i won the discussion by producing a picture that proved unequivocally that my dog was infact brown.

Government is not a nebulous god-like entity, government is people who decided to give themselves extra powers with consent of those they rule over. So if people are generally bad, corrupt, and can be bribed, government is generally bad, corrupt, and can be bribed. If people are generally good, then they don't need government to interact peacefully with each other in the first place. Government is just whatever you think people are like, plus extra powers, plus incentives to be bribed in return for political favors.

No, the government institutionalizes scamming.  It calls it laws and regulations.  And then scamming is now capable on a much larger scale than otherwise, because people are trained to think it is valid.

Governments can be good but rarely are.  It's just not in their best interests most of the time.   Like any monopoly, they give an illusion of good service.  In their case they give an illusion of protection.  They don't have to put much effort into it because they don't have any competitors.

The government does nothing to prevent scammers.  Look at the 2008 meltdown, all the government did then was take taxpayer's (ie mine) money and gave it to the big banks.

no, the governement hunts scammers and hold them to justice.

governements can be good. <- this is what you people fail to understand.

Sounds great.  Then we can get back to how it should be.  A monopoly system with a group of privileged bankers.

mybitcoin, GOXED, bitcoinica, scammerboard, pirate.

Going pretty good, don't you think?

im waiting for government involvement to stabilize things, have a nice day.

The point is that the state isnt providing enforcement of contracts or the catching of criminals in the bitcoin community yet we still have an economy none the less. So markets are not dependent upon enforcement of contracts and catching of criminals. They do however depend on communication, something that the internet provides but could also be achieved verbally if we all lived in proximity to one another and the state is not needed for communication.

Look, kok, you have very little intuitive understanding of how markets work, as indicated by your "Dog-eat-Dog" mentality.  Have you even sold goods in a market?  Sounds to me like you collect state dole, so it's doubtful that you have even sold your labor to pay for your bread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg

So how do you explain the bitcoin community? there is no foundation for our economy here, we have no governments to enforce bitcoin related contracts, no police to catch bitcoin fraudsters, yet somehow trade miraculously happens.

Buy something, Sell something. Get Bitcoin ->> repeat cycle.... Sounds like the best market ever seen

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Just because the point went over your head doesn't mean that I'm not talking sense. Maybe you can have someone explain it to you.
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Still waiting on this:

Chinese government is very far from being libertarian. It's not that theory are trying to keep interference to a minimum. Quite the opposite. The government is very nationalistic, and wants to show the world that China is a powerful producer. It wants to show off the country's wealth. So they set up factories, which the government owns or sponsors (remember, they're still communist), and directs them to be as productive as possible, damn pollution and the local population. If regulations would prevent them from showing how powerfully wealthy the country is, they just change them.



Yes, I do. We know that police closely monitors protests and quells riots. We know that we pay taxes to pay for police. China isn't working on behalf of capitalists as stated above. The government just wants to show off. There, if the slaves protest, they don't get subdued by police, they get carted off to jail as enemies of state. If the slaves protest and breach their contracts, then... What? A contact is just an agreement. In China and statist countries, the slaves pay the salaries of their own guards who force them to get back to work. In AnCap, the company would have to pay for it's own guards. It's cheaper to keep the slaves happy than to keep them subdued 24/7.

Odd that today, so many people would volunteer to be employees, and so few to be employers... Too much inbreeding?

And still waiting on this: