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Quote from: myrkul on April 29, 2013, 09:49:16 AM

...so you make a de-facto state, great move dude!

Before this goes on any further, can you tell us what you believe the difference between "privately owned" and "state owned" is? Specifically, what do you think is the difference between a security officer working at a mall or a university, and a police officer? Or if you think there isn't any, and both are the same thing?

security officers at universities? wtf! are you people crazy?

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Quote from: myrkul on April 29, 2013, 09:47:08 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

Ah! On the contrary, AnCap is designed with that in mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_security_company

...so you make a de-facto state, great move dude!

Have you read de Molinari yet?

No. Have you read Marx yet?

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...so you make a de-facto state, great move dude!

Before this goes on any further, can you tell us what you believe the difference between "privately owned" and "state owned" is? Specifically, what do you think is the difference between a security officer working at a mall or a university, and a police officer? Or if you think there isn't any, and both are the same thing?

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Quote from: myrkul on April 29, 2013, 09:47:08 AM

Quote from: myrkul on April 29, 2013, 09:47:08 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

Ah! On the contrary, AnCap is designed with that in mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_security_company

...so you make a de-facto state, great move dude!

Have you read de Molinari yet?

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communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

Ah! On the contrary, AnCap is designed with that in mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_security_company

...so you make a de-facto state, great move dude!

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communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

but dont you see, thats exactly why governments dont work! saying yea well you see since people are violent sometimes we should create a monopoly on violence and give it to those couple of guys over there is absurd. If people are violent sometimes than a government is the last thing we should ever create. Its like saying, since some people are crazy and would like to murder thousands of people we should put explosion buttons all over the place, for anyone to press.

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Quote from: Rassah on April 29, 2013, 09:40:42 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

Ah! On the contrary, AnCap is designed with that in mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_security_company

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Quote from: Anon136 on April 29, 2013, 09:34:36 AM

sucks about all those disabled and needy. Embarrassed

If only giving all the guns to the jones family would solve that problem. Too bad it doesn't.

If history is any indication, the Joneses usually end up taking all the guns, anyway. Or since they have the money, paying others to take all the guns for them.

yea well before men invented ships you could have said the same thing about sailing.

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Quote from: Anon136 on April 29, 2013, 09:34:36 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

yes yes, and ancap does not function well without a state, because its human to be violent sometimes.

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sucks about all those disabled and needy. Embarrassed

If only giving all the guns to the jones family would solve that problem. Too bad it doesn't.

If history is any indication, the Joneses usually end up taking all the guns, anyway. Or since they have the money, paying others to take all the guns for them.

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Quote from: Rassah on April 29, 2013, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Anon136 on April 29, 2013, 09:23:26 AM

at-least communists have principals. It's more than you can say for most people.

ALL communist principles eventually devolve into, "Why should I do this when someone else can do it for me?" Always. No exceptions.

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Sorry, I was thinking about Soviet/Chinese communism, but if you think about it, the idea of "from those with most ability to those with most need" can't really be enforced without an arbitrer decided who is most able and who is most needy. Without a state, everyone will claim they are least able and most needy. Maybe not right away, but eventually everyone.

sucks about all those disabled and needy. Embarrassed

If only giving all the guns to the jones family would solve that problem. Too bad it doesn't.

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Quote from: Anon136 on April 29, 2013, 09:23:26 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Beyond ~200 people, there is no difference, because it is human nature to not want to share with the "other," and they therefore require a state to force them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

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at-least communists have principals. It's more than you can say for most people.

ALL communist principles eventually devolve into, "Why should I do this when someone else can do it for me?" Always. No exceptions.

Quote from: Rassah on April 29, 2013, 09:26:26 AM

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

Sorry, I was thinking about Soviet/Chinese communism, but if you think about it, the idea of "from those with most ability to those with most need" can't really be enforced without an arbitrer deciding who is most able and who is most needy. Without a state, everyone will claim they are least able and most needy. Maybe not right away, but eventually everyone.

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getting rid of private property, making everything part of the State

getting rid of all government+'commons'+public property, making everything private

Wait, are you serious? Did you really just state two exactly and completely opposite things, and claim they are exactly the same?
Is your definition of "just like" completely different from everyone else's? Or were you trying to say something else and your language skills completely failed you? How is wanting government "just like" not wanting government?

i think he was trying to imply that they was like each other, because they are both extremes.

many crazy people believe in communism/many crazy people believe in AnCap.

Ah, no, that would apply to comparing Communism with Nazism, where you have government owning all corporations on one side, and corporations owning all government on the other. That I agree is two sides of the same coin, both end up just like each other, and both lead to the same problems (typically ending in many deaths). AnCap is not the same, because there is no government to cotroll corporations, or to be controlled by corporations.

communism is by definition without a state, you must be thinking about socialism.

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getting rid of private property, making everything part of the State

getting rid of all government+'commons'+public property, making everything private

Wait, are you serious? Did you really just state two exactly and completely opposite things, and claim they are exactly the same?
Is your definition of "just like" completely different from everyone else's? Or were you trying to say something else and your language skills completely failed you? How is wanting government "just like" not wanting government?

i think he was trying to imply that they was like each other, because they are both extremes.

many crazy people believe in communism/many crazy people believe in AnCap.

Ah, no, that would apply to comparing Communism with Nazism, where you have government owning all corporations on one side, and corporations owning all government on the other. That I agree is two sides of the same coin, both end up just like each other, and both lead to the same problems (typically ending in many deaths). AnCap is not the same, because there is no government to cotroll corporations, or to be controlled by corporations.

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Quote from: myrkul on April 29, 2013, 09:22:24 AM

getting rid of private property, making everything part of the State

getting rid of all government+'commons'+public property, making everything private

Wait, are you serious? Did you really just state two exactly and completely opposite things, and claim they are exactly the same?
Is your definition of "just like" completely different from everyone else's? Or were you trying to say something else and your language skills completely failed you? How is wanting government "just like" not wanting government?

i think he was trying to imply that they was like each other, because they are both extremes.

many crazy people believe in communism/many crazy people believe in AnCap.

AnCaps are some of the ~~sanest~~ craziest people I know.

FTFY.

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Quote from: kokjo on April 29, 2013, 09:20:57 AM

Quote from: kokjo on April 29, 2013, 09:20:57 AM

getting rid of private property, making everything part of the State

getting rid of all government+'commons'+public property, making everything private

Wait, are you serious? Did you really just state two exactly and completely opposite things, and claim they are exactly the same?
Is your definition of "just like" completely different from everyone else's? Or were you trying to say something else and your language skills completely failed you? How is wanting government "just like" not wanting government?

i think he was trying to imply that they was like each other, because they are both extremes.

many crazy people believe in communism/many crazy people believe in AnCap.

AnCaps are some of the sanest people I know.

Communists are some of the ~~sanest~~ craziest people i know.

FTFY.

at-least communists have principals. It's more than you can say for most people.

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getting rid of private property, making everything part of the State

getting rid of all government+'commons'+public property, making everything private

Wait, are you serious? Did you really just state two exactly and completely opposite things, and claim they are exactly the same?
Is your definition of "just like" completely different from everyone else's? Or were you trying to say something else and your language skills completely failed you? How is wanting government "just like" not wanting government?

i think he was trying to imply that they was like each other, because they are both extremes.

many crazy people believe in communism/many crazy people believe in AnCap.

AnCaps are some of the sanest people I know.

Communists are some of the ~~sanest~~ craziest people i know.

FTFY.

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