This is why we should all use Bitcoin and no more credit cards. - page 6.

franky1

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Quote from: mk4 on September 10, 2018, 11:11:05 AM

Easier said than done. I've probably done this if only I could go to our local store and use bitcoin. But unfortunately global adoption isn't THAT widely spread as of today; so most of us pretty much have no choice but to use fiat paper money and credit/debit cards because there's no alternative.

bitcoin has no arms or legs or a voice. it is just code. bitcoin cannot get on a plane and have a meeting with a shop owner in your town. if you are waiting for bitcoin to come running in like a roman legion to invade fiat land. you are mistaken.

a message to everyone, nothing personal:
if YOU want bitcoin in YOUR town so YOU can spend YOUR bitcoin. then guess who has to go talk with their local shops about bitcoin.. (hint in capitals)

steps to hlp progress bitcoin adoption locally.
1. organise local meetups in your area with others who do know of bitcoin and like to talk about it.
2. finds out some key people who are good at
doing a sales pitch/communicating.
regular buyer of bitcoin or willing to give merchants fiat for the bitcoin the merchant gets
if your area has good easy sign-up processes to an exchange or bitcoin merchant tools service. use that instead
3. if you get a good group who finds they all regularly spend at certain shops/car fuel stations. then use that as main target
4. the more people that simply do their shopping and just prompt the question "do you accept bitcoin" the more intrigue the shop will have to look into it.

coinages

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Even though it is a better alternative, but it is not that easy because it is volatile and it is not accepted and are banned in some countries. At the same time, a lot of stores do not even accept crypto. Maybe it will be possible in the future.

BlackandRed654

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We all know bitcoin is not globally acceptable that’s why peoples are using fiat money and also credit card for their transaction. I believe in near future bitcoin will acceptable all over the world.

galambo

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Quote from: Kprawn on September 10, 2018, 10:57:16 AM

So, I buy a Amazon Kindle Fire, because I like to read. When you configure it for the first time, you have to login with your

Amazon account (obviously) and then you are presented with 2 x FREE audio books. I accept the 2 x FREE books, to test the

audio and also to experience audio books for the first time. (I prefer reading the ebooks, but I thought I would give it a try, to

see what it sounds like.)

A month down the line, I get a sms notification from my Bank, notifying me of a payment done to "Audible" so I phone my

Bank. They inform me that it is a monthly subscription to Audible.com. (I never gave consent for "Audible" to sign me up for a

monthly subscription) This is how they do it ---> http://prntscr.com/ksqxhv (I never even saw that, when I was offered the

2 FREE books) !!!!!!!! Why would I sign a subscription if I just wanted to listen to the so-called FREE books? Huh

In any way, I logged in again and cancelled the subscription and it already billed me for next month. Angry

Now, this will NEVER happen with Bitcoin, because nobody can automatically withdraw money from your Bitcoin address. You

have FULL control over your own money. Cool

I am not the only one - https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/audible.com

Such problems usually occur with several peoples.
Similar problem also occured with me in terms of netflix account. I was uaing a free one month subscription and forgot to cancel on it. Netflix charged me for 2 months without notifying me and it was really terrible but i was much helpless.

Even i do strongly believe in you that bitcoins are way much better than such credit cards. No one should have the authority to withdraw our funds without our permission and bitcoins and each other cryptos give us the ease to use them without any such worry.

cryptosmith03

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It’s true so many countries are against bitcoin. That’s why every store are accepting fiat money and credit card but i believe one day bitcoin will acceptable and become the global currency.

Tallay

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The easyest and the valuest currency is bitcoin. By using this it is possible to buy and pay which is easy and realiable for the buyer like me. So i obviously prefer bitcoin than credit card.

LateMoveR52

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Why people are going to use credit card? May be the time when they do not have the bitcoin. It hereby obvious that people are using bitcoin in lieu of credit card who have bitcoin and they are paying their payement by using bitcoin. Hope in future bitcoin payment is going to increase.

btCHOOop

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The lengthy and time wasting way of using credit card compareing this with the bitcoin. We see bitcoin is using largely and taking the position of crerdit card. Time will come when people largely use bitcoin that can be supported by people.

Jyominall

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Oh, it's sad story and I completely support your minds. But, unfortunately, credit cards will not soon be replaced by bitcoins or something like this Sad

Kprawn

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Quote from: tegarp90 on September 11, 2018, 11:22:10 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on September 10, 2018, 10:57:16 AM

So, ~~~~~~

Yeah bitcoin is much better as a payment than mastercard.
But still few want adopted bitcoin as a payment due to high fee and random transaction speed.

What world are you living in my friend? The miners fees have come down so much in the last year, that it has actually become

a non-issue these days. The risk with credit cards is the storage of the information and also autocharging and that must come

to an end. People should have 100% control over their financial data and also over their money/wealth. Currently this power

is in the hands of large centralized organisations.... and that is just wrong. Angry

hstokes

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Fees for paying in bitcoin are still higher with price jumping up...

towi078

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I've also experienced something like that, and I think it's a bad system. Hopefully someday, bitcoin can perfect things like that

paulo013

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Yes you are right also using bitcoin will avoid auto debiting like what happen on every credit cards. Just like you are paying with no reason. While in bitcoin, No more swipe or signing up your information, just put the right amount of bitcoin and send it to the merchants. Bitcoin is more safely than using credit cards.

tegarp90

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Quote from: Kprawn on September 10, 2018, 10:57:16 AM

So, I buy a Amazon Kindle Fire, because I like to read. When you configure it for the first time, you have to login with your

Amazon account (obviously) and then you are presented with 2 x FREE audio books. I accept the 2 x FREE books, to test the

audio and also to experience audio books for the first time. (I prefer reading the ebooks, but I thought I would give it a try, to

see what it sounds like.)

A month down the line, I get a sms notification from my Bank, notifying me of a payment done to "Audible" so I phone my

Bank. They inform me that it is a monthly subscription to Audible.com. (I never gave consent for "Audible" to sign me up for a

monthly subscription) This is how they do it ---> http://prntscr.com/ksqxhv (I never even saw that, when I was offered the

2 FREE books) !!!!!!!! Why would I sign a subscription if I just wanted to listen to the so-called FREE books? Huh

In any way, I logged in again and cancelled the subscription and it already billed me for next month. Angry

Now, this will NEVER happen with Bitcoin, because nobody can automatically withdraw money from your Bitcoin address. You

have FULL control over your own money. Cool

I am not the only one - https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/audible.com

Yeah bitcoin is much better as a payment than mastercard.
But still few want adopted bitcoin as a payment due to high fee and random transaction speed.

dothebeats

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Cashback 15%

Can't see bitcoin panning out with brick-and-mortar stores sooner or later, given the amount of work it needs to keep bitcoin let alone the volatility of the everyday pricing scares the merchant (though there are third-party services which exist just to take care of that 'problem'). Perhaps in software subscription it will excel, but given the nature on how they try to market their products and knowing the limits of their control on bitcoin, these subscription-based services will never deviate from credit cards knowing that they're getting something from it. It's just wishful thinking at this point in time.

Kprawn

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 10, 2018, 08:50:41 PM

I agree it's a scummy thing to do, but it is neither illegal or a scam as you are claiming. The picture you posted clearly states that you will be charged after 30 days, as will the small print that you didn't bother to read.

If you don't bother to read what you are signing up to, you can't blame other people when you are taken advantage of.

I cannot post the actual screen that I received when I configured the Kindle Fire, because that was a month ago, but I

visited their actual site and I saw this "fine print" for the first time. You do not get that exact screen, when you accept the

2 FREE books, via the Kindle. In any way, I logged a complaint and they acknowledged that this was a mistake on their side,

and I got a refund today. The point is, nobody should have access to your money, without your consent and Bitcoin gives you

that peace of mind. Wink

o_e_l_e_o

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I agree it's a scummy thing to do, but it is neither illegal or a scam as you are claiming. The picture you posted clearly states that you will be charged after 30 days, as will the small print that you didn't bother to read.

If you don't bother to read what you are signing up to, you can't blame other people when you are taken advantage of.

ABCbits

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While it's sucks and can be considered as shady practice, i'm 100% sure that their terms and condition mentioned that you'll be charged automatically after the trial ended if you didn't cancel before it ended.
Maybe you should use debit card with very low amount Roll Eyes

Kprawn

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Quote from: ABCbits on September 10, 2018, 12:35:01 PM

While it's sucks and can be considered as shady practice, i'm 100% sure that their terms and condition mentioned that you'll be charged automatically after the trial ended if you didn't cancel before it ended.
Maybe you should use debit card with very low amount Roll Eyes

You not getting it.. they do not let you click the "terms of conditions" option, when you accept the 2 FREE ebooks and they

do not show you the "trail" offer subscription. This is a very shady practice and this should be stopped. Using a debit card is

even worst, because they can force a debit order payment and that is even harder to stop. Angry

In any way, who reads the

ToS when you are presented with FREE books. Roll Eyes

Kprawn

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Quote from: mk4 on September 10, 2018, 12:06:01 PM

Quote from: Kprawn on September 10, 2018, 12:00:33 PM

It does not matter how they do it, it should not be possible for ANY company or person to access funds on your account,

without your consent. Angry

The weirdest thing is that Amazon is directly associated with shady practices like

this. The actual point that I want to make is that Bitcoin is much better, because companies like this cannot get away with

FREE trial scams/Free shit like this, because they cannot automatically withdraw money from your Bitcoin address. Angry

Wait what? How did they have access to your credit card in the first place? They required your credit card information for you to claim your free eBooks right?

Your Amazon account store your credit card details and they are linked to Amazon, so I figure they get access to your credit

card details via Amazon. I will now have to contact the Bank to stop the payments or to chargeback the funds. If they

continue doing this, I will have to cancel my credit card and then ask them to issue a new card with new account details.

I cannot wait for Bitcoin to go mainstream, so that this autocharging bullshit can be stopped. Roll Eyes

Quote from: Impulseboy on September 10, 2018, 12:16:25 PM

I assumed you already have Amazon account when you bought Kindle Fire, but do you already have Audible account prior to it? If not and they asked you to sign up to Audible to get the free audiobooks, did Audible not send you an email when you sign up for it and before they start charging you for the next month? From what I know, they give one free audiobook upon signing up but then they charge you automatically the next, although they will email you first. I agree, though about using bitcoin for cases like this. If we used bitcoin, we would not have experienced autocharging into our accounts that websites and banks regulate.

Yes, I had a Amazon account before I bought the Kindle Fire. I had to login to the Kindle Fire with the Amazon account to

use the Kindle and it was then, when they asked if I wanted 2 FREE audio books. There was no mention made about any

subscription and I only became aware of that a month later, when they billed me with the FREE subscription. Angry

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