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Topic: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! (Read 10593 times)

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Burn the wings off those bastards.
It amazes me that fsb4000 is still posting and totally disregards the fact that actual people have lost money as a result of BFL. How can you defend BFL knowing in just two cases they owe 2 people almost nearly $80,000 USD or more with lawyers fees.  Sickening. Don't let this guy make a joke of the BFL victims take a stand.
Is Josh imprisoned now?  If not, all your statements about fraud is just FUD.
Why do you think that your opinion is above the law?

People who lost money just bad investors, they need to learn  people with whom they will work  and they should  conclude correctly contract(for example with the terms about non-delivery in time ....)
If they gave the money on any terms because they were greedy,  they've only themselves to blame. The world is not black / white ...


Fraud?

List of documents in the FTC case against BFL.
newbie
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Spam deleteed. I've not been active for many months. It was wrong of me not to look into the so called competition.  Do I really receive forgiveness? Do I get edited off the shitlist?

If any actions will be taken against the accounts in the first message, than the same actions should be taken to these accounts. They do the same things.

 I'm no spammer, friend. I resent the implication.

Here is the simple difference.

1 post on an ethical / trust concern vs what BFL shills and BFL multiple accounts repeating non-sense now 6 or more times. That is spam and that is not allowed there is no way anyone is violating someone else's trust day after day. BFL Scammed millions over a long period and that constituted individuals to post once against their trust not a day after day campaign. When people post a single negative comment regarding a single event or concern then that is fair use of the system. For example I posted that BFL are being sued in Rapturoso trust as he is helping promote BFL to further defraud the community. I don't need to do this 2x or 3x or 4x. I do this once per spammer. Looks like BFL is only making 1 new multiple account per day now.

New Spammer Today April 7th, 2014:

Rapturoso

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BFL being sued for breach of contract. Case Name:Meissner v. BF Labs Inc. and this
Case Cause:28:1330 Breach of Contract or Case No. 2:13-cv-2617 JURY TRIAL REQUESTED
Do not buy pre-order from BFL and do not use their mining hosting services.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/new-lawsuit-against-bitcoin-miner-manufacturer-alleges-fraud-negligence/;
 https://ia600702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.docket.html;
http://ia700702.us.archive.org/13/items/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395/gov.uscourts.ksd.95395.2.0.pdf


Remember there are hundreds of unfortunate BFL customers that got scammed like Martin Meissner who is still looking to recover $62,000 since 2013 or  William Lolli , who won a judgement of over $13,000 but still can't collect because BFL refuses to pay. How can people promote BFL knowing full well the types of criminals they are? Rapturoso is just one of the many people that do need look more closely at the significant NEGATIVE FINANCIAL impact they are having on this community. This is no joke! People have been hurt financially and these misguided individuals and multiple BFL accounts are continuing to act without any ethics whatsoever.

Give me all the negative trust you like BFL shills there are plenty of media reports out in full view that illustrate what many of have been saying for over a year. BFL is never going to shake their shady history but making contests like this.

Rush of Business for Butterfly Labs

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After selling FPGA miners from September 2011 to 2012, BFL started taking ASIC orders in June 2012. Due to the fact that ASIC was the next-generation machine, everyone wanted it a piece of it. The company was able to sell at least 7,600 orders that were worth $10.2million.

However, a year later, many angry tweets and reddit threads formed because BFL was unable to deliver the machines. To this day, it is still a problem for many people.
hero member
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Ethics lost on you buddy.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Shut up fag and liar Bicknellski.
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Bicknellski 	-17: -3 / +0(0)
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Bicknellski -17: -3 / +0(0)  2014-04-05 140.00000000 BFL being sued for breach of contract...
Can you remind me when we have deal with 140 BTC? Never.

hero member
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Keep dreaming.

Spammer.


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fsb4000
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fsb4000 -817: -7 / +3(3) 2014-04-02 0.00000000 Reference learn to read! "Untrusted feedback may be totally inaccurate."

fsb4000 -817: -7 / +3(3) 2014-04-01 0.00000000 Reference he does not understand how the trust rating works

fsb4000 -817: -7 / +3(3) 2014-03-31 0.00000000 Wants to ban everyone who disagree with him

fsb4000 -817: -7 / +3(3) 2014-03-30 0.00000000 Lies about the members of Big Picture Mining Coop
legendary
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hero member
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Where are the monarchs buddy?
legendary
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Oh the courts are working... and Sonny V. already got notice last probation hearing when he got a 2 year extension. The next hearing he goes back to jail. Let us see where Josh Zerlan finds himself. No doubt plea bargain his way out of any jail time.

Also note that FSB4000 stopped spamming the ratings... I guess he knows that the end of BFL is coming and there is no hope in hell of ever seeing a Monarch in the wild. BFL doesn't even think so... they are moving to promising hashing power. Go figure. What a fricking nightmare.
I stopped because 6 feedbacks enough to show that the trust system is not working.

About Monarch:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_josh/393-monarch-update-11-june-2014-a.html

This forum has much more serious scammers than BFL.
You just dislike Josh and you do not care about other scams.
hero member
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Oh the courts are working... and Sonny V. already got notice last probation hearing when he got a 2 year extension. The next hearing he goes back to jail. Let us see where Josh Zerlan finds himself. No doubt plea bargain his way out of any jail time.

Also note that FSB4000 stopped spamming the ratings... I guess he knows that the end of BFL is coming and there is no hope in hell of ever seeing a Monarch in the wild. BFL doesn't even think so... they are moving to promising hashing power. Go figure. What a fricking nightmare.
newbie
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Do not whine here. It is just a forum. If you really think that BFL_Josh is criminal, you must apply to a court. While Josh is not condemned, presumption of innocence is working.


I totally agree with both sides , as in this is a forum and people should discuss it , but whining is not going to help , instead think of decisions , or things you could do to prevent it.
hero member
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So the spammers are not realizing their mistakes and jumping ship. Nice how thank-you very much for playing you can't get a refund. Now the FTC and the people that manage Sonny V.'s probation might want to hear about it.


05-29-2014, 12:45 PM #58

criminalben 

I have two 600GH Monarch orders which I upgraded to Imperials, one from 23rd August and one from 3rd November. At the time it seemed like a good idea, but with the continued delays I've decided to request a refund. I'm still eligible right?, even though I elected to upgrade to the Imperials?


05-29-2014, 03:22 PM #60

criminalben

Originally Posted by heldertb: Nope, once you opted for upgrade, they won't let you opt for refund, try and sell them in classifieds... I want to say something else but then my post will get deleted...

They're refunding my 2nd order as I didn't use the 50% voucher that was given, but they say they can't refund the 1st order as I've used the 100% voucher that one got.
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Persistent Spammers

BEST SPAMMERS! NEVER MISS A DAY

MelMan2002
Pokokohua!
criminalben

The numbers of people entering the contest on a daily basis is now 3. People who also seem to have an unnatural attachment to BFL and defend them even though they are 6 months late on the Monarch. Seem to be some interaction and cross over from Marto74 and Loshia into the these accounts as well. Hmmm interesting indeed. Wonder why there are similar grammar errors and copy paste of Marto74 and Loshia's posts in the trust ratings left by Pokokohua? Are Marto74 / Loshia BFL stooges? They don't seem to comment on BFL ever I wonder why that is?

Looks like were no down to just 2... Pokokohua and MelMan2002. Must be BFL accounts given the latest forum meltdown in BFL land where 2 days of posts went missing. Ooopsie. The crowd on the bow of that sinking ship is certainly much smaller now.
legendary
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www.bitkong.com
If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong.


If people went to that, then we would never use escrows because people like escrow.ms would be 0/0
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
Persistent Spammers

BEST SPAMMERS! NEVER MISS A DAY

MelMan2002
Pokokohua!
criminalben

The numbers of people entering the contest on a daily basis is now 3. People who also seem to have an unnatural attachment to BFL and defend them even though they are 6 months late on the Monarch. Seem to be some interaction and cross over from Marto74 and Loshia into the these accounts as well. Hmmm interesting indeed. Wonder why there are similar grammar errors and copy paste of Marto74 and Loshia's posts in the trust ratings left by Pokokohua? Are Marto74 / Loshia BFL stooges? They don't seem to comment on BFL ever I wonder why that is?
hero member
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If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong.

I am ignoring it.

The Mods are not enforcing their own rules that is the point of this thread and I will keep posting here as more BFL shills multiple accounts add to the list.

I have my +31 and these jokers spamming the trust system all negatives system seems to work fine enough for some. It is blatantly obvious who is abusing the system with spam at this point. I don't care about the numbers I do care they are using it to spam how great BFL is if you do that in PM you certainly get banned. No difference here in the trust system.

If you have done any biz with me you know the score. If you haven't then it doesn't really matter what the numbers are.

The only trust system that is 100% foolproof is trust NO one.

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Poko... is certainly increased his red number over the past week.

If you are still looking to put Sonny V back in prison Orange... then read this.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7126990

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Friends if you can't take the following information and use it in an email to Butterfly labs to get an immediate refund then I really don't think you deserve a refund.

I would give them 3 days to issue a refund and then you fax the ADA and Probation officer and you Email the Attorney for Butterfly Labs/Sonny Vleisides

Here you go:

Butterfly Labs Attorney for Sonny Vleisides

Shazzie Naseem

[email protected]
[email protected]

District Attorney handling Vleisides Probation

Kate Mahoney
Asst District Attorney Western District
Kansas City MO
Fax # 816 426-4210
Regarding Cases:
 4:11-cr00125-DGK
11-00125-01-CR-W-GK

United States of America
v.
Sonny Vleisides

Vleisides Probation officer


Courtney Pierce
US Probation Officer
Kansas City MO
Fax # 816-512-1313
Regarding Cases:
 4:11-cr00125-DGK
11-00125-01-CR-W-GK

United States of America
v.
Sonny Vleisides


If this helps you get a refund, and you would like to show your appreciation please let me know.
donator
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If you don't like the Trust system, it's very easy to ignore. I did so many months ago after deciding it was 80% drama and 20% legit. Everyone's 0/0 to me except people I explicitly trust. If you're mixing drama and business, you're doing it wrong.
hero member
Activity: 674
Merit: 500

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04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46
Pokokohua! 

Someone give me a positive please! If it is proved worthless can
you please end our suffering? And draw from everything up till now?

LOL! Moron.

And as a result of that request, my trusted network feedback count is
+1
-0

Yours, on the other hand, hahahahaha. You still don't get it, mister university pompous prick?   LOL


 Huh

The trust I can see is:
Pokokohua!: -8: -2 / +1(1)
Bicknellski: 1: -0 / +2(2)
newbie
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04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46
Pokokohua! 

Someone give me a positive please! If it is proved worthless can
you please end our suffering? And draw from everything up till now?

LOL! Moron.

And as a result of that request, my trusted network feedback count is
+1
-0

Yours, on the other hand, hahahahaha. You still don't get it, mister university pompous prick?   LOL

In the meantime you are shilling for Spoondolies discounts in other manufacturers threads, misusing the trust feedback system to blackmail others to make them remove posts negative to spoondolies hardware, how low can one go


hero member
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So, how is that FCC certification coming along? Still two weeks?

CE
FCC
ETL



There are absolutely ZERO certifications on these cards from BFL. They have not submitted them for testing at all. Buyer Beware! What they love to do is put the marks on protoboards and then never submit the final boards for testing. Same pattern as with the 65nm.

If you are concerned about safety why not buy from SpondooliesTech they actually put out compliant miners unlike BFL.

Emissions Compliance: FCC / CE and  Safety Certification: CE

All you have to do is look at the scoreboard BFL... you are done. Game Over.


Pokokohua! needs help

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04-25-2014, 12:14 PM #46
Pokokohua! 

Someone give me a positive please! If it is proved worthless can
you please end our suffering? And draw from everything up till now?

LOL! Moron.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
www.bitkong.com
There are many people that spam the trust system which makes it next to useless. I've seen too many newbies and Jr with plus two-three trust.
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