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Topic: Those who are Spamming the trust system. Action needs to be taken! - page 2. (Read 10593 times)

hero member
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If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'

Oh? Really? What if somebody negative repped you, because you didn't buy their latest product? Or if they positive repped somebody because it was their alt account, or somebody from their company? Or says, "Positive rep my company, and I'll remove this neg rep"?
hero member
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If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'

Spam that promotes a company in the trust? Think you have take a closer look at this abuse. Spam of the trust according to Theymos is not allowed. So I guess I will defer to that, unfortunately, the work required to actually police it is the problem.
newbie
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If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'

Spam that promotes a company in the trust? Think you have take a closer look at this abuse. Spam of the trust according to Theymos is not allowed. So I guess I will defer to that, unfortunately, the work required to actually police it is the problem.

Darin Bicknell aka King Fud? Still waiting on this, seems you just weasel out, as always?:

 "because you ignored it, who are those paid shills, names, numbers paid out, come on, man up, let's hear it." 

Come on clown, it's not a day out with the schoolkids calling it "a productive day, we went swimming and had a pick-nick," be a man and prove what you said. Or is this the normal way to go about in life, lying and faking your way through it?
legendary
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quack
If this trust system works correctly, it doesn't matter if someone spams or not. Everyone can define their own trust lists here. (maybe similar function as #bitcoin-otc WoT gettrust?)
It would be silly if the forums started to remove some trust ratings because 'it's spam.'
sr. member
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I seen seniors members have abused the feedback system just putting feedback without no proof, there is member the first day I came gave me a negative just for asking for a 0.001 load which is garbage compared to scammers ask.  since that time I had asked the member to please remove feedback and apologized and still to this day not resolved.  Wish they can foucous on feedback abuse, or feedback should be for selling or ops who have casinos.
hero member
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Wrong thread zackclark70.

that post is quoted from this thread

Still wrong thread.

Talking about the BFL aholes still posting negative trust and positive trust as spam ads for their products.
legendary
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ADT developer
Wrong thread zackclark70.

that post is quoted from this thread
hero member
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Wrong thread zackclark70.
legendary
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ADT developer
It seems like all of u care about banning BFL people who tried to leave -ve trust on your account. But I have a clear instance of trust abuse here => https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/can-we-trust-the-trust-system-565488. But, interestingly none of u care to leave -ve trust on  zackclark70 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zackclark70-121108) or kicking him out of the trust system. It seems the the motive of all of you so called trusted members are getting clear to me. You only want those who are trusted by u, irrespective of scammer or spammer, they should be loyal to u.

The trust that I have given people is accurate what annoys me is the people that spam my account with negative trust that is not true

one example of that is the ritzgrandcasino I gave the negative feedback as they are paying people to spam the forum

( that is my opinion of sig campaigns that pay per post and don't vet there users ) 


in return the ritzgrandcasino have given me a whole bunch of negative feedbacks saying that I am a scammer and that is completely untrue !

and to top it all off they keep threatening to take legal action against me for the feedback I gave them if I don't remove the negative feedback

 


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mkslim NEWEST SPAMMER!

What still not Monarch's in the wild? What gives? Countdown clock broken Joshie or are you too busy moving into the McMansion you bought?


How Late is the Monarch?
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Serjster NEWEST SPAMMER!

Where did your BTC and FIAT go?

Josh and Sonny both have homes thanks to your "donations" to help a homeless BFL executive fund otherwise known as pre-orders for BFL products.

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We are investigating the marketing and advertising practices of the company 
BF Labs, Inc., which does business under the name "Butterfly Labs". We have received
reports that Butterfly Labs, based in Leawood, Kansas, has accepted orders and full
pre-payments from consumers for Bitcoin mining hardware, yet failed to deliver the
specialized equipment as promised.

Bitcoin

Butterfly Labs manufacturers and sells Bitcoin mining hardware. Bitcoin is a
peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by
"mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted
bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger.
By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires
ASIC-based hardware to be cost effective.

Consumers who ordered and paid for Butterfly Labs equipment, yet failed to
receive it by promised dates, are not just out the amount of money paid to
Butterfly Labs. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases
over time, by the time consumers receive the equipment, if at all, often the
equipment has become worthless because mining with the equipment has
become economically unviable.

If you have paid for Buttery Labs equipment, yet failed to receive your
order or failed to receive it by the promised time, please contact our office
using the form below.
hero member
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Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings. But Inaba is hiring multiple people to create these ratings. It is impossible for me to determine whether these ratings are "real" or not, so I'm not going to delete them. (Obviously all negative ratings are very likely to be fake, but I'm not going to guess about this.)

I agree that it is a little annoying to see a wall of negative ratings, but this is in the "untrusted" section. The way things are set up currently, untrusted ratings can be easily spammed in a number of ways. That's why those ratings are hidden by default.

We have now reached that threshold Theymos.
hero member
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http://www.kmbc.com/news/Kansas-man-buys-Johnson-County-home-with-Bitcoins/26083128

Josh buys a home for 1000 BTC... wait doesn't Josh have bets he needs to pay off? Customers to refund? Class action lawsuits to defend?

If you want to leave a COMMENT at the bottom under the video... feel free let everyone know what you think of Josh buying a 500K home with BTC.

Update:

1 Less spammer.

hardhouseinc NEW RECANTED SPAMMER

hero member
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/in-18-months-feds-got-nearly-300-complaints-about-bitcoin-miner-maker/


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The FTC complaints come from locales as diverse as Estonia, Argentina, Redding 
(California), and Winnipeg (Canada). They all tell a similar story, describing orders made
that were either never fulfilled or refund requests that were denied or not processed.
Ars has made the full spreadsheet—complete with redactions made by the FTC—available
here. An example of one complaint, from a customer in Orlando, is below:

I placed two orders for advanced computers on Feb 2nd 2013 for over $60,000 worth of computers. These
computers are designed to generate revenue online. I was lead [sic] to believe April or May would be the
shipping dates. However they never shipped my products and I requested a refund. I was given a partial
refund as I agreed to wait an additional month. I received half my money back, however as of October I
still did not have my products shipped and the company was refusing to refund me the remaining $30,000
they still owe me. Despite my [constant] requests for a refund and to cancel my order in its entirety they
eventually shipped me a computer that was not what I originally ordered and worse yet it was broken on
arrival and poorly constructed. I returned their broken computer and once more requested a refund. They
still have not refunded me, they are ignoring me and I am unsure I can follow through with litigation as they
are in [Kansas] and I am in Florida.

In total, there are 283 complaints. These begin in September 2012 and end in early
April 2014, collectively detailing orders worth around $1 million.

Ars has made the full spreadsheet—complete with redactions made by the FTC.
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leopard2 NEW SPAMMER!


Join the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT Follow the Reference Link.


The Wood Law Firm LLC announced today that customers from across the country have joined together and filed a class-action lawsuit challenging the sales and advertising practices of Butterfly Labs. The lawsuit against BF Labs, Inc., which does business as Butterfly Labs seeks compensation for customers who pre-paid Butterfly Labs for Bitcoin mining equipment and who did not receive the equipment they paid for, or received the equipment far after Butterfly Labs represented the equipment would ship.

Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer payment system and digital currency. Bitcoins are created by "mining", a process where miners receive transaction fees and newly minted bitcoins in return for verifying and recording payments into a public ledger. By design, mining is a computationally intensive process which today requires purpose-built computer chips to be cost effective.

The complaint, filed in the United State District Court for the District of Kansas located in Kansas City, seeks to recover the pre-payments made to Butterfly Labs and the losses customers sustained due to Butterfly Labs' conduct. The lawsuit alleges Butterfly Labs required customers to pre-pay for orders of ASIC based Bitcoin mining hardware, and used portions of customer pre-payments to make loans to shareholders and purchase a house and automobile for a shareholder. Because the computational difficulty of Bitcoin mining increases over time, by the time some consumers finally received their equipment, the equipment had become worthless because mining with the equipment was no longer cost effective.

"Bitcoin is an exciting and promising new technology. Unfortunately this also makes it an attractive area for people running scams and frauds," stated attorney Noah Wood one of the lawyers for the customers. "Stopping the bad actors and staying vigilant against consumer fraud is absolutely necessary for the successful development of the Bitcoin ecosystem."

According to the complaint, Butterfly Labs may have collected over $25 million in customer pre-payments. The lawsuit also alleges Butterfly Labs, despite telling customers that Butterfly Labs did not mine bitcoins itself, used equipment customers had already paid for to earn mining income for itself under the guise of "testing" such hardware. The complaint states this "testing" served "to enrich Defendant at the detriment of its customers by both denying the customers' use and benefit of the equipment they have already paid for, as well as increasing the overall mining difficulty required to generate future bitcoins."

The case is Alexander et al. v. BF Labs, Inc., Case Number 2:14-CV-02159 (D. Kansas). The customers are represented by Noah Wood and Ari Rodopoulos. A copy of the lawsuit and further information is available from the Wood Law Firm, LLC at www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners.
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smVh50fsb NEW SPAMMER!

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smVh50fsb -6: -1 / +0(0)   2014-05-03   500.00000000      Bad lang reported

The creativity here is lacking. Seems like the same person keeps making the same negative trust ratings and is finally running out of witty little barbs. Feel free to check the list of people abusing the trust system and give them what they deserve. Or if you want to help bury BFL at court report your story to Wood Law here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners


Here is BFL's list of legal arguments. Let us see what everyone thinks:


And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use:

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Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.
hero member
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2014-04-01   0.00000000      Does not understand contest rules, Pavlov effect makes him post without thinking, completely wrong or just a bit stupid?. Hint "registration date, on what site?" Blinded by hate?

All one has to understand is that BFL is buying trust and it backfired. The only person that seems to be attacking the person with hateful speech is  Pokokohua! You might want to look up the experiment of Pavlov and come up with a better metaphor it is clear what I am doing is a defense mechanism not a trained response. It is more akin to the fight response. When Inaba threatens to have me fired then slanders me in attempt to scare me off you are going to get exactly this response from me. I won't be backing down from the threats from you or your other accounts BFL. You have pushed the wrong person. I won't be taking you to court I will just be sure that in any instance I can report the failures of your company as documented by others.

Sonny V. 2 more years probation.
BFL 15 months developing the 28nm chip.
Failures to pay off bets.
Failures in delivering product.
Using inferior quality PSU's that have nearly burned houses down.

There is plenty more documented about BFL and when your company finally folds or your owners are sentenced to jail I will be glad to watch that in person as they lead them out of the courthouse. See you soon.
hero member
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2014-03-31   0.00000000      Too dumb to understand that spreading lies about other people will backfire some day, thanks to people like Bicknell this forum lost credibility as a whole.

What lies have I spread?

Credibility was lost the minute Pokokohua! started abusing the trust system.
hero member
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Here is an example of Pokokohua! defaming my character. I will be reposting his lies here and countering them in an effort to rehabilitate my reputation.


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2014-03-30   0.00000000      Pathological liar. Cheats forum members repeatedly with false information over BFL, their employees and their products -all successful- while his business fails, has absolutely no technical knowledge, qualifies non working usb hubs as bfl product failures. Falsely rates people who are producing hardware and are an asset to the bitcoin community negative, and ridicules any forum member that confronts him on his lies. Too bad a lot of these types hang around on this forum, no orders but crying scam over legit companies, while they are never seen in the real scam topics.

Where have I exhibited lying pathologically?  No evidence.
Where have I cheated forum members with posting false information about BFL? No evidence.
Where has my "business" failed? No evidence.
Where is there any evidence I have no technical knowledge? No evidence.
Where have I claimed non-working USB hub as a BFL failure? No evidence.
Where have I falsely rated anyone producing hardware? No evidence.
Where have I ridiculed anyone? No evidence
Where have I lied? No evidence.

He is obviously not looking at the forum very carefully. I have complained about other fabricators not just BFL. Not factual.
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PhilWray NEW SPAMMER!

Remember people you might want to report any instance of fraud from BFL and Sonny V. directly to his probation officer or the judge that presided over his probation hearing.


U.S. Probation Officer Courtney N. Pierce
Probation and Pretrial Services Office
Charles Evan Whittaker Courthouse
400 East 9th Street
Kansas City, MO
64106

David Gregory Kays, Chief District Judge

Contact Information


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The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.
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