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Latest New Spammer for BFL Trust System Fraud

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you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order.

Have you read the latest on BFL?



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Despite the testimony of Bourne and other witnesses, Judge Kays
expressed clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a company
taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary years of supervision for
Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that include regular government
access to his "person, his property, house, residence, office, vehicle, papers, computer, other
electronic communication or data, storage devices or media, and effects."
He said Vleisides must work with Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies.
Any loan, especially $64,000 or whatever it is, is something she needs to know
about before it's made, no matter [what]."

The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not
enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with you,
if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's too close.
I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying, and it assisted
your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part,
you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to get your
toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not be tolerated,
you understand that?
So I would work very hard to make these consumers
happy consumers who you've dealt with.

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One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based
Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder,
Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a
job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL.
Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)
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Digging for answers: The “strong smell” of fraud from one Bitcoin miner maker

A Butterfly Labs exec loses a probation hearing, but details from the case are worse.

by Cyrus Farivar - Apr 22 2014, 11:00am


For many crypto-minded libertarians, Bitcoin is the future of money. But that dream
hasn't been helped much by the numerous high-profile legal cases involving the currency
in recent years: The Bitcoin Savings and Trust hedge fund collapsed; uncertainty fueled
the implosion of Mt. Gox, the currency's largest exchange; and the high-profile Silk Road
takedown is a treacherous story combining Bitcoin, drugs, and alleged murders.

For now, though, one company sits above all others when it comes to cultivating a new
level of direct customer mistrust in the Bitcoin community: Butterfly Labs.

For the past year, the Kansas-based Bitcoin miner maker has been embroiled in numerous
accusations of fraud. Customer orders, totaling millions of dollars, were significantly delayed
or never fulfilled. Through it all, the company insisted that mere manufacturing delays were
to blame. However, suspicion never died down. In fact, it's getting worse after it came to
light that Butterfly Labs' largest shareholder—a man who is a company co-founder, current
"Innovation Officer," and member of the board of directors—pled guilty in 2010 to one count
of mail fraud (PDF) for his involvement in an international, multi-million dollar lottery scam.

For months now, Butterfly Labs has faced anger regarding delayed orders.

Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this same executive. A federal
judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of
his probation in the lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated to
end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years. This ruling is Butterfly Labs'
least concern. In light of new details from the recently published transcript of that January
2014 probation hearing, the legitimacy of the Butterfly Labs operation could soon be decided
once and for all.

“I’m on a good track now”

According to the United States Postal Inspection Service, victims collectively lost more than
$25 million during the lottery scam Vleisides participated in. The government accused his father,
James Ray Houston (who has since passed away in prison), of being the mastermind behind the
entire scheme. As the USPIS wrote in January 2011:

According to the indictment, the victims were purchasing “positions” in tickets for lotteries
that would be grouped together or “pooled” to buy larger blocks of tickets, thereby increasing
their chances of winning. Funds received from victims were not used to purchase tickets, but
to pay “winnings” to other victims, to fund the scheme, and to benefit the defendants.
Victims were sent checks falsely represented as lottery “winnings;" however, the amount of the
alleged “winnings” was far less than the amount the victim had sent in.

Vleisides and three others were also implicated in the scam, and he took a plea deal.
In a post on Bitcoin Forum in September 2012, Vleisides described the experience this way:

After two and a half years preparing, we neared trial. The prosecutor calls for a meeting and
offers me a deal. I can go home if I accept a single count of mail fraud and skip the trial.
They would drop 23 charges and leave me with a simple postal violation (lesser count of mail fraud).
I thought about it and it didn't take long for me to agree to get the shackles off.
I signed and went home to my mother's house in Kansas City. I sat there looking at the wall for a
long time. I didn't feel like leaving the house much. It was difficult to get over the emotional loss.
My life was ruined. Mom got me an account on match.com and encouraged me to date. I met a
wonderful girl and we had a little boy. We named him Indy. My life continued and I started to look
for a new project to begin again. A fresh start. I'm on a good track now, trying to put the past
behind me.

When Vleisides moved to Missouri, his case was transferred to that federal district for judicial supervision
of his probation, which included this “special condition”:

The defendant shall not engage, as whole or partial owner, employee or otherwise,
in any business involving loan programs, gambling or gaming activities, telemarketing
activities, investment programs, or any other business involving the solicitation of funds
or cold-calls to customers without the express approval of the Probation Officer prior to
engagement in such employment. Further, the defendant shall provide the Probation Officer
with access to any and all business records, client lists, and other records pertaining to
the operation of any business owned, in whole or in part, by the defendant, as directed
by the Probation Officer.

Vleisides recovered from his mental slump and soon helped start Butterfly Labs.
According to a 2012 court document, Vleisides’ lawyers say that BFL “began on napkins,
scraps of paper, and spare parts on his kitchen table," adding that "the hours that Mr.
Vleisides has put in to develop the product have been long and arduous. There have
been times when he arrived before the sun came up and left after it went down."
While Vleisides was "remorseful about what has occurred," he was looking toward a
better future, they added. "The justice system could not ask for more from a person
that has been punished."

Revenue and a growing rap sheet

But on September 3, 2013, Vleisides’ probation officer, Courtney Pierce, filed a
violation report with the Missouri federal judge handling his case (just over two months
after Ars published our first articles about Butterfly Labs and its mining machines).
In her memo to the judge, Pierce wrote that Vleisides was now an employee of and
the dominant shareholder in BFL, a company which "advertises all of its technology
for purchase through pre-order... Vleisides did not seek the express approval of the
probation officer prior to engaging in a business that involves the solicitation of funds
through pre-orders."

She continued:

The Probation Office has been notified by the US Postal Inspection Service that hundreds
of complaints have been filed against BFL from individuals who have placed pre-orders for
hardware from BFL.

The seriousness of Vleisides' instant offense [the lottery scam], coupled with his
current involvement in a somewhat similar business enterprise are cause for concern.
Before Vleisides' violation, BFL was already facing accusations of fraud and mismanagement.
In December 2013, a German-Polish man who lives in China filed a lawsuit over a $62,000
order that was never fulfilled; he accused BFL of breach of contract, fraud, and negligent
representation. And Butterfly Labs lost a civil case by default in Kansas’ Johnson County
Court in late November 2013. The plaintiff, a Californian named William Lolli, won a judgment
of more than $13,000 but told Ars that he has not yet collected the award.

The company's troubles may only worsen from here. A new lawsuit filed in early
April 2014 (read the 21-page complaint) accuses BFL of engaging in “deceptive
and unconscionable business practices.” The suit, which seeks class-action status,
was filed earlier this month in Kansas. It accuses BFL of collecting payment for
“non-existent Bitcoin mining equipment, failing to ship Bitcoin mining equipment orders
for which consumers have pre-paid, misrepresenting the date such equipment is to
ship to customers, and profiting from Bitcoin mining for Defendant’s own benefit using
customers’ equipment without permission or authorization from customers.”

BFL, its corporate attorney, Vleisides, and Vleisides' criminal attorney all failed to
respond to Ars’ repeated requests for comment. But it's clear that despite all the legal
wrangling, the company is doing well. According to testimony from BFL’s de facto chief
financial officer, the company expected to earn $25-$30 million in revenue in 2013.

Buying a pool and an Audi

Vleisides appealed before US District Court Judge David Kays on December 17, 2013 to
answer Pierce's probation claims. There, government prosecutors submitted a
seven-page document from Vleisides’ lawyers detailing the structure of BFL and Vleisides'
relationship to it.

One of the noteworthy revelations is that Butterfly Labs acquired a local Kansas-based
Bitcoin mining pool, Eclipse Mining Consortium, for $100,000 in 2012. The pool's founder,
Josh Zerlan, is now a vice president at BFL. (Zerlan publicly announced that he took a
job with BFL in 2012, but he did not mention that he actually sold his company to BFL.
Zerlan did not respond to a request for comment for this article.)

The revelations get murkier from there. For the first time, the public learned that Butterfly
Labs runs its own Bitcoin mining pool for “testing” purposes—and the company uses this
test pool to make money. “[BFL] earns mining income from their burn testing of machines
as well as service fees charged to Eclipse customers,” documents state. This revelation
represents some of the worst fears held by skeptics of BFL—that the company is using its
own hardware to profit privately before sending miners to people who actually paid for them.

Also coming to light during testimony was the depth of BFL customer frustration.
In court, probation officer Pierce talked about how she uncovered thousands of
complaints filed against BFL at the Federal Trade Commission and PayPal.
She said that Chad Williams, a PayPal global asset protection officer,
told her that as of September 2013, PayPal froze BFL’s account containing
$11 million and that PayPal received 6,000 complaints in total. Notably,
200 more complaints were filed between mid-November and mid-December 2013,
and, on the day of court testimony alone, three more complaints were filed.

“Butterfly Labs is permanently barred from accepting PayPal as payment for
their products," Pierce added. (PayPal spokesperson Anuj Nayar declined to
comment specifically on Butterfly Labs, but he did say that the company is
"no longer processing payments through PayPal.")

“PayPal is not the only place we have received complaints from,” Pierce told the
court. “There is [the Federal Trade Commission] Consumer Sentinel, a law
enforcement website where people can get online and submit complaints
about different companies. As of October 18 of this year, there had been
173 complaints submitted online to Consumer Sentinel, with a total of over
$600,000 complained to being losses from Butterfly Labs.”

Pierce testified that Vleisides’ 2012 tax returns show his ownership interest in
a Bahamas corporation called Future Engineering that was incorporated
November 2, 2012. According to BFL's tax returns, the company lost more
than $800,000 in 2012, Pierce said—and yet the letter from Vleisides’ lawyers
notes that the company loaned $150,000 to CEO/CTO Nasser Ghosieri, $26,000
to VP Jeff Ownby, and $65,000 to Vleisides himself. Those loans all came in
below market rates and all were “based on expected future profitability.”

CEO Ghosieri, an Iranian who lives in France, previously told Ars he never met
Vleisides and has never been to visit the BFL operation in Kansas. (Although,
this photo from Ghosieri's Facebook page dated April 2014 appears to show
him with Vleisides in person at BFL's headquarters, although it could have been
altered.)

Furthermore, Pierce noted that "Vleisides' finances have been in question for
the past several months," particularly because his residence "was recently
purchased by BFL for approximately $400,000 in cash." BFL even bought him
an "expensive vehicle" (an Audi) that Vleisides uses.

"I'm pulling for you"

During the hearings, Vleisides' lawyers made the case that these were all
normal business operations. The Bahamas corporation, they said, was
created by a law firm which represented Butterfly Labs previously, but it
was now a “dormant corporation.” And de facto Butterfly Labs CFO
Bruce Bourne, who resides in San Francisco but commutes to Kansas City
two weeks each month, took the stand to explain Vleisides’ house and car situation.

“The car itself, you know, my understanding is that this is not the first car
that the company has owned and that the original car that the company
owned when customers came from out of town to visit the facilities, the
company loaned them the vehicle to use instead of them having to rent a car,”
he testified. “Other executives who traveled from Chicago—
I come from San Francisco—had access to using that car. Other people
who are employed by the company come to town from out of town are
able to stay at the corporate residence.”

The bigger issue centers around BFL's core operations and all those delays
after taking people's pre-order money. Bourne described the company's
current operations and past financial performance, saying that BFL had a
peak of 110 employees, but it's smaller now.

“At current time, because we’ve manufactured and shipped all the products
in the backlog and we are not yet producing the next version of the product,
we have downsized, laid off staff who were assembling parts and components
that are not necessary right now,” he said. “So at this point the company is
about 60 people. But our expectation is when we do begin to construct the
next iteration of these products, [we] will increase staff to manage that production.”

"You need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because
fraud will not be tolerated."

As for revenue, in 2012 BFL earned $2.5 million. “For 2013 we have not
finalized the financial statements, but I expect that the revenue for 2013
is going to be between $25 and $30 million,” he said, adding that BFL's
liabilities are “north of $10 million.”

Bourne also provided more details about resolving the PayPal situation
by shipping long-delayed products to customers.

“By [September 2013] there were 23,000 PayPal orders, of which about
2,000 had been shipped. About $1.5 million out of $19 million total,”
he said. “That’s mid-September. Every week after that I updated that
report so that we could show them progress against reducing the backlog
and lowering PayPal’s exposure, although there were $5 million more in
orders than there was in money held. So it took a while to get down to
where that backlog was—even with the amount they were holding.
We reached that point in about mid-November.”

Ars contacted Bourne, who declined to be interviewed in person or by
phone as he was "in a different time zone and working some long hours."
At Bourne's suggestion, Ars submitted questions via e-mail, but has not
yet received a reply.

Despite the testimony of Bourne and other witnesses, Judge Kays expressed
clear reservations about BFL's business and Vleisides' involvement in a
company taking so much cash up front. He ordered two supplementary
years of supervision for Vleisides, along with a new set of conditions that
include regular government access to his "person, his property, house, residence,
office, vehicle, papers, computer, other electronic communication or data,
storage devices or media, and effects." He said Vleisides must work with
Pierce "to communicate, create transparencies. Any loan, especially $64,000
or whatever it is, is something she needs to know about before it's made, no matter [what]."

The judge's most damning comments, however, centered on his overall BFL observations:

Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell.
It's not enough to send you to prison today, because, to be quite honest with
you, if it was, we'd be talking about 24 months in prison. It's not—I think it's
too close. I think [defense witness] Mr. Bourne did a very good job of testifying,
and it assisted your defense greatly. But if I find out that there is this fraud
word involved in this part, you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse,
you need to get your toothbrush and get your things in order, because fraud will not
be tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these
consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

The wheels of justice

On the heels of Vleisides' probation, BFL now moves immediately to the new lawsuit.
Kyle Alexander, and Dylan Symington et al. v. BF Labs (PDF) describes two
attempted purchases made by the named plaintiffs. Alexander claims that he paid
$308 to BFL in June 2013 for a low-end mining machine. However, despite repeated
inquiries to BFL, Alexander was simply told “shipping had begun”—yet his box didn't arrive.

In March 2014, Alexander again asked about his order and was simply informed that
it was changed to a “Mining by the GH” (gigahash) product, an as-yet-unreleased
product from BFL.

“Plaintiff Kyle Alexander never changed or modified his order and never gave
Defendant permission to use the equipment he ordered to mine bitcoins for itself or
for anyone else,” says his complaint. “To date, Plaintiff Kyle Alexander has not
received any mining equipment from Defendant. Since Plaintiff Kyle Alexander
pre-paid for his order of mining equipment from Defendant in June of 2013, numerous
bitcoins have been mined by others, and the difficulty of mining new bitcoins
has substantially increased over such time.”

The other named defendant, Dylan Symington, paid $1,333.00 to BFL in April 2013
but did not receive his order for seven months.

Both men allege that BFL engaged in deception under the Kansas Consumer
Protection Act, received unjust enrichment, and made negligent misrepresentation.
BFL has yet to formally respond to the new charges.

Jody Drake, BFL's general manager and one of the three members of BFL's board of
directors (Vleisides and Ghoseiri being the other two), told Ars that the company
"shipped 45,000 units last year." Despite many lawsuits alleging the opposite,
she said that "everyone received their orders after much delay."

When asked how BFL got involved with Vleisides to begin with, Drake simply said:
"I know his family," before ending the call. In her September 19, 2013 affidavit as
part of Vleisides' court filings, Drake said that she worked for his stepmother for their
commercial photo-finishing business and has known the family for 25 years.

Despite the "strong smell" coming from the Vleisides' probation hearing, it's still
not exactly clear whether BFL is an out-and-out scam. Butterfly Labs' refusal
to answer basic questions—such as how a man convicted of mail fraud came
to do business with another man in France that he's never met—does not
engender confidence. But as more complaints pile up, some are now turning into
lawsuits. And in light of a federal judge specifically calling out a co-founder's
questionable actions, the evidence is mounting. The questions of fraud surrounding
BFL may get answered sooner rather than later.
hero member
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Thanks, removing my negatives and striking your name off the list.

Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses.

There are 5 million reasons why people should focus on what BFL is doing here to abuse the trust system as well as the FRAUD they have perpetrated. Millions of dollars has been lost to members of our community as a result of BFL malfeasance. Don't forget to get involved and report what has happened to you.
sr. member
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Hey,

I've undone my trust-ratings and renounced anything from bfl's competition. I've also questioned their contest here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/8203-win-butterfly-labs-imperial-monarch.html#post79136 and acted in good faith in Josh which I should not have done.

Please undo your trust-feedback on me as well, as this may prohibit me from helping others.

Kind regards,

Herjan
newbie
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Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses.

There are 5 million reasons why people should focus on what BFL is doing here to abuse the trust system as well as the FRAUD they have perpetrated.

Told you
newbie
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That's just bick, he's got a dick stuck up his ass and needs to tell everyone about it. He's right about bfl but what a douche bag he is himself!
legendary
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Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses.

elviselvis101 NEW SPAMMER!

The new accounts are now slowing down I guess BFL is getting bored with making more and fewer and fewer submissions happening for the "contest". The little experiment is over I guess is that all you got BFL? Seriously is that it? A week of effort and you give up? It is no wonder that every product you have produced is a DAY LATE & DOLLAR SHORT.

Sorry... I did not get your point. The trust system is to counter BFL or it has any other significance ? Whenever we talk about Trust, why this anti-BFL army jumps in ? The topic I posted has nothing to do with BFL !!!
hero member
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Don't forget to help others get justice. Tell your story of BFL abuses.

elviselvis101 NEW SPAMMER!

The new accounts are now slowing down I guess BFL is getting bored with making more and fewer and fewer submissions happening for the "contest". The little experiment is over I guess is that all you got BFL? Seriously is that it? A week of effort and you give up? It is no wonder that every product you have produced is a DAY LATE & DOLLAR SHORT.
legendary
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It seems like all of u care about banning BFL people who tried to leave -ve trust on your account. But I have a clear instance of trust abuse here => https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/can-we-trust-the-trust-system-565488. But, interestingly none of u care to leave -ve trust on  zackclark70 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zackclark70-121108) or kicking him out of the trust system. It seems the the motive of all of you so called trusted members are getting clear to me. You only want those who are trusted by u, irrespective of scammer or spammer, they should be loyal to u.
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Removed the whine Edgar aka randomlove and the 10s of other needless accounts you made. Seriously just go away you racist ignorant slob.

You have been ignored.

What is important is people are reminded and warned off BFL the point of the matter is people can help NAIL BFL for fraud in court. Just look at my sig if you want to join in the party.

newbie
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No one cares or listens! Are you finally getting it!

Theymos bans anyone josh/bfl etc etc want while you all moan (rightly so) about them spamming! You not realised nothing as been done for 2 years of people telling the truth about bfl and still nothing happens. Even when they are forced in a corner like they are now, they know there case against them will take another 12-24 months and the last joke is all going be on you lot.

I can see josh and co having a right good laugh over all this as I am too. You see, when you know the truth its all a monopoly game and they know hownto play it, and you sheep think the system THEY made is there for you! Ha ha! Wake up sheep, government, police, military etc etc, there not here for YOU! There here to protect the 0.00001%!

From the seed of life to the flower of life, everyone as lost there way and never mind the fruit of life. Your all lost spirits! All attracted to there deadly sins! Greed is the prolific one around here! And all over the btc community and the joke is, the protocol has the possibilities to rid societies of a monetary system completely and make a trust system, like we did before a few took control through centralisation!

Givebme the power of a nations currency and j care not who makes the laws!

ARE YOU GETTING IT YET! The emporior as no clothes you dumb fucks
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MelMan2002 NEW SPAMMER!

Remember if you would like to help the fraud case against BFL you can go to the following website and provide information.

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

The daily trust spam continues. New Spammers will be added to the list. Here is hoping that the Mods do something to enforce their own rules.
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5 million reasons Inaba deserves his -3000 trust rating.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6129444

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Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners
Today at 01:27:18
Reply with quote  #65

here is where it starts to get fun!!!

http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf


Class action lawsuit underway by a law firm so tenacious that in my opinion there will be nothing left after this is over.

JOSH update your resume'

BCP needs a new job!!

My favourite part of the document is the claim that monies from pre-orders were used to buy Sonny his house, car and "loans" to shareholders. That smells familiar doesn't it?

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37. Defendant has utilized the funds from customer’s pre-payments for:

(a) the paid in full, unfinanced purchase of a residence in Leawood, Kansas for Mr. Sonny Vleisides;
(b) an automobile for Mr. Sonny Vleisides; and
(c) hundreds of thousands dollars in loans to shareholders of Defendant.
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I see Trust:   -831: -9 / +5(5)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba.

OR if they don't have default trust anymore.

Your rating is always considered as a trusted rating , so no two people get the same result , in most cases.

I see Inaba's score the same as john641 as will most who haven't changed their trust or left some or much feedback.
legendary
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Also , this user has posted the topic from the BFL forums to here.... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/check-out-this-contest-by-josh-bfl-561031

legendary
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I see Trust:   -831: -9 / +5(5)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba.

OR if they don't have default trust anymore.

Your rating is always considered as a trusted rating , so no two people get the same result , in most cases.
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I see Trust:   -831: -9 / +5(5)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!

I think this is what everyone'll see who just has the default trust list, but people will see different ratings based on positive and negative trust they've left for other people who have left trust for Inaba.
hero member
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Trust spam isn't allowed. If I see anyone posting dozens of fake trust ratings (from one account or many alt accounts), I will delete all of their ratings.

I think we are nearly at that point given the types of comments given. It is pretty easy to determine faux ratings both positive and negative.
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Northlander New Spammer!

6 spammed trusts ratings a day, 14 months without a Monarch, -2542 Trust rating for Inaba. 1 big smile on my face. PRICELESS.
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