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..like bright metal on a sullen ground.

Quote from: coinableS on August 15, 2015, 02:31:13 PM

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html

Is it legit?
Was this the same email address that was hacked a while ago?
If you think it was him/her/they, why didn't he PGP sign this message?

Of course this is a legit message from Satoshi; it's double spaced Roll Eyes

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Welt Am Draht

A - one of the billions of people on this planet wangles their way into a long abandoned account to fuck shit up for whatever agenda they have.

B - the entity himself weighs in after several years of total silence but offers nothing in the way of verifying their identity.

Errrr...

B

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Quote from: coinableS on August 15, 2015, 06:49:32 PM

Quote from: kelsey on August 15, 2015, 06:36:49 PM

however in this case you can prove its not him with a 30sec google search and it has little to do with the lack of any key Wink

Please explain. How can you 100% prove that it's not him from a google search? What are you google searching? Are you analyzing his previous writings?

by a quick search of what that email has been used for before.

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=== NODE IS OK! ==

It is true, who cares if Satoshi or not

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Real or not, he's an absentee landlord that has chosen NOW to weigh in with an indictment of Bitcoin-XT? I don't buy it...not at all. And if it were really him, definitely easy enough to prove it. Sign a message with Bitcoin using one of the addresses that contains that hoard of 1 million BTC he's sitting on.

No? Then don't expect anyone to pay any more attention to your rant than anyone else on social media today. Even if it WERE Satoshi, does anyone REALLY care what his intention was, at this point? It's so far beyond that now, that it hardly matters.

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Quote from: kelsey on August 15, 2015, 06:36:49 PM

however in this case you can prove its not him with a 30sec google search and it has little to do with the lack of any key Wink

Please explain. How can you 100% prove that it's not him from a google search? What are you google searching? Are you analyzing his previous writings?

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Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:30:22 PM

Quote from: unamis76 on August 15, 2015, 06:20:27 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

Its impossible to prove that someone isn't that person, its impossible to prove a falsehood in this manner, only truth can be proven.

If I made a post, yet everyone said it wasnt me, could you prove I didn't make the post when I in fact did? You can't its impossible, you can only assume its false.

We all have no idea if Satoshi still has his keys to anything or not, regardless of what he advised us to do regarding wallets. He may have had a fire at home and lost access to his backups? or any other number of "natural" ways to lose his keys. A lot of events can happen over 5 years since he left, so you can not categorically claim that he still has his keys.

however in this case you can prove its not him with a 30sec google search and it has little to do with the lack of any key Wink

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Quote from: unamis76 on August 15, 2015, 06:20:27 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

Its impossible to prove that someone isn't that person, its impossible to prove a falsehood in this manner, only truth can be proven.

If I made a post, yet everyone said it wasnt me, could you prove I didn't make the post when I in fact did? You can't its impossible, you can only assume its false.

We all have no idea if Satoshi still has his keys to anything or not, regardless of what he advised us to do regarding wallets. He may have had a fire at home and lost access to his backups? or any other number of "natural" ways to lose his keys. A lot of events can happen over 5 years since he left, so you can not categorically claim that he still has his keys.

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hee-ho.

Quote from: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 15, 2015, 06:23:29 PM

The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

yeah. but Satoshi never made any rage post before, right? so who knows...

Quote from: AgentofCoin on August 15, 2015, 06:23:03 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

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Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

aaand that guy emailed theymos asking for coins. even go as far as threatening to hitman theymos.

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Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:26:05 PM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on August 15, 2015, 06:23:03 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

Oh, I wasn't aware that it was confirmed and that account was locked down. I thought it was just assumed it was hacked.

Here is where I originally read about the GMX response, at the time all of it happened:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/16/satoshi-nakamoto-email-hack/

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Quote from: Remember remember the 5th of November on August 15, 2015, 06:23:29 PM

The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

True. "I am not Dorian" was more believable even if Dorian is true Satoshi.

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Quote from: AgentofCoin on August 15, 2015, 06:23:03 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

Oh, I wasn't aware that it was confirmed and that account was locked down. I thought it was just assumed it was hacked.

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Quote from: coinableS on August 15, 2015, 06:19:15 PM

Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

You make a very good point, we don't know if it wasn't him and if an attacker did have access to his email, why is this the only time he is trying to sway public opinion?
I don't think it's him, because I don't think he would get involved with the blockchain debate.
I'd like to hear what Gavin thinks about all this. Does he think it's Satoshi? And if so, Satoshi handed him the torch and then this email comes out scolding him, it's quite a dramatic turn of events.

Exactly why I'm on the fence, he's been out and stayed out of any debate on Bitcoin until now. He surfaced to clear Dorian's name, which is honourable and is to be expected of someone with his calibre and personality.

I guess it could be a kind of closure for him, perhaps he's been sitting by and has got to the point of disappointment where he feels he needs to speak out one more time. If it is him, its quite a damning post, not only towards Gavin, but to all of us for letting things get this far.

Remember remember the 5th of November

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The message doesn't give the vibe of the real Satoshi.

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Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

It was not Satoshi who wrote the post "I am not Dorian Nakamoto".
That was the person who re-registered his account after it expired.
GMX.com confirmed it and, I think, has locked that account now from registration.

And for what its worth, IMO I don't think Satoshi Nakamoto is alive anymore.

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Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

I see what you mean, but we can prove it's not him if he doesn't sign it fast.

From what we know of Satoshi, what you're saying is highly improbable (although not impossible, obviously). Satoshi questioned why would anyone throw a wallet away for any reason, and said on the forums we should always keep a wallet. So he most probably did not throw any keys away.

If someone has full control of his accounts and no access to his PGP key, he can only troll.

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Quote from: Fuserleer on August 15, 2015, 06:11:45 PM

Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

You make a very good point, we don't know if it wasn't him and if an attacker did have access to his email, why is this the only time he is trying to sway public opinion?
I don't think it's him, because I don't think he would get involved with the blockchain debate.
I'd like to hear what Gavin thinks about all this. Does he think it's Satoshi? And if so, Satoshi handed him the torch and then this email comes out scolding him, it's quite a dramatic turn of events.

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Problem with that post is you can't prove its *not* him.

For all we know he dumped all the priv keys for everything when he decided to quit, wallets, accounts, PGP key and all. We've all done similar at some point in our lives, made a decision with a sure mind, and removed all ability to recover it, burned the bridge so to speak.

If those accounts had indeed been compromised, I think it's fair to assume that the attackers of those accounts would "chime in" as Satoshi more than just twice. Any activity on those accounts has the power to influence, or at least sow the seed of doubt/FUD which the attackers could then profit.

Yet since he left, we've seen 1 occurrence to clear Dorian's name, and this today expressing his disappointment on the block size issue. If anyone other than Satoshi held control of those accounts, I wager that position would be milked dry for personal gain.

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If (and a huge *if* that is) Satoshi decided he needed to make a point .. why would he not do it with the technology he created? Sign a message using one of his private keys on the bitcoin blockchain.
Something for everyone to see and no-one to dispute.

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Quote from: cryptothreads on August 15, 2015, 04:37:26 PM

Quote from: AgentofCoin on August 15, 2015, 04:19:17 PM

Quote from: gentlemand on August 15, 2015, 03:57:54 PM

Here's an interesting addendum - https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg06194.html

According to that Satoshi never added a PGP signature to anything.

If that is the case then there's no real way of ever proving who Satoshi is beyond moving the relevant coins. Even then that would only prove that someone had access to those coins.

Satoshi has reached permanent ghosthood.

Here is a link to a Satoshi Nakamoto PGP Key.
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498

More in-depth look: http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2

I would also like to point out (it was not mentioned in the above pastebin post)
that the email username could have expired and thus been re-registered by someone else.
This is what occurred with the [email protected] account.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8734884

Use of the [email protected] account does not guarantee that the statement in question came from Satoshi Nakamoto.

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