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Tim Gurner is not alone in this. We have CEOs all over the counties of the world with just the same mindset about their employees. This is the reason why I encourage self-employment or the type where you are not committed to just one organization. And yes, these organizations can achieve their organizational dreams and goals without these types of staff. Employees should not be committed to an organization where the CEO is bent on making himself "fatter" while the employees labour their life's, health, happiness, relationships , dreams and career away.
And I encourage this as well, a CEO is looking primarily after themselves and the company they are managing and not their employees, so if you join one of those large companies then they are going to try to extract all what they can out of you while paying you the lowest amount of money possible, but if instead you work on your own then you can work as hard as you want and you will get to preserve all of those profits for yourself, and you will not have to worry about being fired as no one can do it as you are now your own boss.
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Tim Gurner is not alone in this. We have CEOs all over the counties of the world with just the same mindset about their employees. This is the reason why I encourage self-employment or the type where you are not committed to just one organization. And yes, these organizations can achieve their organizational dreams and goals without these types of staff. Employees should not be committed to an organization where the CEO is bent on making himself "fatter" while the employees labour their life's, health, happiness, relationships , dreams and career away.
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It's just that it is proven that works aren't that much limited on the employees local area nowadays. The work from home setup has proved that it is effective even if your client or employer is on another part of the world, employees have an additional options on who or what kind of work do they want to enter. It is not like before where people need to travel away from their local area to the business district just to get a well paying job. I believe that work from setup is effective, depending on the job of course. As long as the employee is responsible and the employer is supportive, the job will done right. Actually there are companies that had retained the work from home setup that had been utilized since the pandemic.

It's not that employers lost their power, employees just have other options.
But it is precisely that increase on options employees have which is causing employers to lose a part of their power, the truth is if it was up to the employers they will pay you nothing for your work, but no one is crazy enough to accept those terms so they have to offer something in return, but what they offer is so small and with so many strings attached that people are simply turning their backs to them and finding other ways to make money, and this is what it is driving them crazy.
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It's just that it is proven that works aren't that much limited on the employees local area nowadays. The work from home setup has proved that it is effective even if your client or employer is on another part of the world, employees have an additional options on who or what kind of work do they want to enter. It is not like before where people need to travel away from their local area to the business district just to get a well paying job. I believe that work from setup is effective, depending on the job of course. As long as the employee is responsible and the employer is supportive, the job will done right. Actually there are companies that had retained the work from home setup that had been utilized since the pandemic.

It's not that employers lost their power, employees just have other options.
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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

That's just the ramblings and selfishness of a company that would like to think that its power would exist without the contributions of others. So don't get your hopes up about getting a job in a company like this. In the world of work, regulations must be balanced and mutually protect workers' rights. The positions of company leaders and workers must complement each other in order to achieve goals. If you simply want to implement slavery in today's world of work, you risk being abandoned and forced into bankruptcy. Currently labor protection laws are set to eliminate the principle of gaps like this. As development progresses, people begin to be creative and realize that if they want to work according to rules that protect individual rights, then the involvement of company leaders must be in synergy with employees, namely creating mutually beneficial cooperation.
Having a balance and mutually protecting workers' rights is a way for companies to keep their employees feeling comfortable in doing their work so that their company achieves their success. If there are still companies that use the current slavery system, of course the company has violated the existing rules and the workers too would not want to work for that company. Currently people certainly know their rights to work and if they do work that is not in accordance with what is not their responsibility, of course no one wants to work in that place because that place does not protect their workers' rights.
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During the pre-pandemic era, the WHO restricted people from going outside, which is why some of the company must need to push their WFH setup to make their company still continue during this pandemic and somehow its benefits to the people keep it working but again, not all of the people are suitable with this reason why they get unemployed and in this case many people suffer and also accepts any kind of job just to make sure they can survive during this pandemic. Right now we are in the post-pandemic some of the companies and organizations resumes to their office or RTO. Still the employer have the power to manage their employees unless they don't really care and reason of suffering with their company.
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Eh, somehow I am not convinced with what he is saying. From where does he get the idea that an employee can now tell the employer what he needs and what he doesn't? The corporate world will never bend its knees in front of the employee. Let us make one thing really clear about jobs. If there is Anthony who doesn't accept an offer of a $100 per hour job then there is always another Tim who is willing to do the same job at the payroll of $80 per hour. That is the world around here, and that many variety of peeps already exists. In my opinion, his assumption is based on the society where he lives or whatever his company's situation might be.

But it's never ever gonna be the other way around. There are so many jobless out there that if anything comes their way, they are going to accept that offer no matter what. Employers are always in power, they will always find a way to fund their pockets no matter what.
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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

That's just the ramblings and selfishness of a company that would like to think that its power would exist without the contributions of others. So don't get your hopes up about getting a job in a company like this. In the world of work, regulations must be balanced and mutually protect workers' rights. The positions of company leaders and workers must complement each other in order to achieve goals. If you simply want to implement slavery in today's world of work, you risk being abandoned and forced into bankruptcy. Currently labor protection laws are set to eliminate the principle of gaps like this. As development progresses, people begin to be creative and realize that if they want to work according to rules that protect individual rights, then the involvement of company leaders must be in synergy with employees, namely creating mutually beneficial cooperation.
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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.
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Personally, I think such statements are completely inappropriate. Even though basically he is a person who has power over the company he owns. But since he has made a statement like that, I think it will be controversial. Because, even though the workers really need money through the job opportunities opened by their companies. However, if the boss or CEO expresses an opinion like that, I am sure the workers will think a little about joining and working for the company. In fact, he said, workers had to beg to get jobs at his company. I think this will hurt the hearts of workers who are looking for work a little. So in my opinion the CEO's actions were very selfish and demeaning to every worker there.

Although it cannot be denied that sometimes there are workers who make demands or desires so that the company where they work can fulfill all their wishes. But such cases, as far as I know, are very rare. Because I am sure, the majority of workers in this world must have good ethics and be humble in carrying out their work. Because this will provide plus points throughout his career.

And actually, if you want to find a solution to the problem of workers who are always demanding, in my personal opinion it is enough to just fire the workers who are demanding. So don't be complicated, let alone make statements like that. Because in my personal opinion, workers and company owners are components that need each other. So company owners should not make statements that could cause controversy among workers. Apart from that, workers must also be aware that they are workers, so that they do not carry out strange actions at work. So that the company is comfortable with its workers, and makes a profit and the workers can also be comfortable with their work and can get a steady income every month.
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I know employers always say that there are other people willing to take up the job of their employees as soon as they are fired for incompetence or not meeting up some productivity metrics. There is already unemployment and if he or any other CEO think that their staff are not being productive enough, they can easily find another person willing to do the same work since they pay what the work is worth. Consequently, if their staff is not being productive and the CEOs aren't able to find any person to replace those workers, then it means that they simply aren't paying what his work is worth, and people will choose other better options.
And that is precisely the problem, we are seeing that many companies are trying to force people back to the office as in that way they can keep a very tight control of their employees, and people do not want that, however even when threatened they will be fired people are simply deciding to quit instead of going back to the office, this tells us the conditions are so bad at the office people are deciding to become unemployed or to start their own business, and when the biggest threat companies have has no effect on their employees, then they should realize they no longer hold the power they had before the pandemic.
Maybe some employees who truly care for their job, or afraid that they can't get a job immediately will obey those tight rules but there are some won't. It was still a wrong practice for the employers and they can get reported for this.

I am only worried for those who will lose their jobs after. Deciding to become unemployed sounds like an awful decision even though you still have the resources to survived because they can still run out someday. Will wait for that moment to happen? The pandemic on the other hand have changed a lot of lives. Some companies got weaker, some didn't survive, while some found an opportunity during this period.
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Tim Gurner, the CEO of the Gurner Group, wants unemployment to increase so that people can be subservient to their employers as it used to be. He believes that since the pandemic gave way to working from home, employees now how too much power and have even go as far as s dictating the terms of employment to their employers. He feels that employers have lost their power and that the only way for them to get back their powers over their employees and show to them whose boss is if the unemployment rate increases and people have to literally beg to have their or keep their jobs.

This summary above doesn't do justice. Watch the short clip where he said this here and come back to drop your comments.
I would guess that this could be the approach for employers, but employees may not give way, and that's the important difference. When unemployment increases a lot, that still gives a lot of power to unemployed people. Because if unemployment went up, that means there are jobs that are not getting done as well, and you need to increase the salary to find people if everyone rejects it.

There is a good amount of movement going around where people just quit their jobs and do not accept terrible job offers no matter what happens, they rather collect welfare check than be the soldier for an employer. Unemployment increasing will not change that, those already super rich billionaires will have hard time finding workers.
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His opinion actually make sense. Some employee are demanding too much right now and that is pretty weird because there is a set of rules that you need to follow as an employee. There will be always alot more of employee compared to the employer so instead of just submitting to all these silly request and whatosoever, employer could just cut them off then hire another person that is willing to do the job right

Its pretty simple actually, if you are not happy with the terms then you leave and find another that suits you

Tim Gurner opinion make sense only to the low skilled labor. As you said, employer could just fired an employee and find another one, but this only applied in low skilled labor, because many people can do the job and the training/trial period is quick and cheap. But in high skilled labor, the demand for 'good' employee is actually higher than the supply, not everyone has the set of skill that is required, and even when the employer can find another employee they need to train them about the work-flow and some basic principle of the company, because not all company has that the same, and in high skilled-labor job, that's not cheap for the employer.
More reasons low skilled employees should advance their skills to a competitive standard, such that they won't run short of work. Greedy employers don't care about their employees, and interpret the employee's request as too demanding. As if the employee invest the fund and time somewhere else other than the same company. If an employer removes a skilled worker from the number of staff in the company. He'll be affected in no distant time, as he may not get a replica of that skilled person, he removed. But the skilled person, will easily find a better paying and conducive job that values his help and intelligence. Hence, if a person is well skilled in his field, unemployment rate shouldn't frighten them. For instance, a professional sales person, who generate or earns high income, when he losses his job, finding a unique company will be simple. So, employees should endeavor to learn and be vast in their field of practice. Because employers don't care anymore once they get the result, they wished to see. Once the employer's goes is achieved, paying of salaries will be difficult, which delays the financial growth of the employees. Moreover it's important to work ahead of the current situation in our work place, create new stream of incomes. Provide people what they want. If not, get ready to be a modernized slave to the boss.
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Looks like guy is not aware how middle class exists. When employed people have important rights, proper housing and healthy foods they will never stop working at all cause there will always be enough encouraging. When you force people to die even if they work, they will need jobs that's sure BUT working quality will drastically go down. In the end for functional society we need better rights for workers! Otherwise people could radicalize! Rich should understand this.
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I am confident that he has received enough obscene insults and curses, so I will not say more. This man is an example of a tyrannical authoritarian who wishes for the return of the eras of slavery that humanity got rid of after great suffering and sacrifices.

Such tyrannical aristocrats do not feel the extent of the need for people to work, especially via the Internet, to secure their monthly expenses. They smell of tyrannical power and hatred, and they hate Bitcoin and even the Internet, which has given people the opportunity to work from home and earn more.

I think he needs a lesson in politics before economics, because politicians in every country brag to voters that they are seeking to eliminate unemployment, and this idiot is spouting this nonsense about the necessity of increasing unemployment.
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Here in our country, the percentage of unemployed people is very high. And when it comes to the salaries of the employees here, even the minimum wage is still not enough for every family if it only depends on the salary of one employee. Unlike other countries where wages are high compared to this.

That's why many of my compatriots here work in other countries because the wages are higher, but even so, I noticed that unemployment is also a problem in many countries. But sometimes there are other employees in a company who are also demanding, but I don't think everyone is like that.

Also, even if every country's government wants to resolve the unemployment status in their territory, they are not able to provide a 100% solution.
I relate to you. In the country I live in unemployment is a severely loud problem. Adding the pressure of food and products' price hike does not help the situation of the people. Hence, I cannot blame employees who prefers to work remotely in order to have a side job or manage a small business at home while working to earn more in order to gain enough income for their daily needs. A work from home setup has opened an opportunity for a lot of employees to find more channels of income that helps them manage their expenses. However, this of course does not give them an excuse not to follow their company's policies. Hence, if it is Tim Gurner's problem that his employees are not following his orders as an employer then it is best to use the authority of the company policy rather than making such bold and obnoxious statement that unemployment should increase.
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Here in our country, the percentage of unemployed people is very high. And when it comes to the salaries of the employees here, even the minimum wage is still not enough for every family if it only depends on the salary of one employee. Unlike other countries where wages are high compared to this.

That's why many of my compatriots here work in other countries because the wages are higher, but even so, I noticed that unemployment is also a problem in many countries. But sometimes there are other employees in a company who are also demanding, but I don't think everyone is like that.

Also, even if every country's government wants to resolve the unemployment status in their territory, they are not able to provide a 100% solution.
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Tim Gurner is a capitalist. He is one of the people who should be used to cite example of how bad capitalism is. Imagine if there were no labor unions, this man would literally work his employees to death because he wants them to bring him money.

This is exactly how those financial elites think, all they dream and scheme about is how to increase the desperation level of the workers. They make their employees suffer to exist in a multi-trillion dollar economy.
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Well, this is Tim Gurner's opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs even if it's so dumb, selfish and foolish like this guy just spat out now. I wish the reverse is the case where he's the employee, maybe he will wish for such again.

Nothing has a monopoly forever, and the market will always drag itself between more jobs and fewer jobs in a sane economy. Everyone is free to jump from one to the other during surplus and even upgrade their terms as either employee or employer dominates in the workforce.
That's just stupid. Imagine if you said this shit when news broke out from 2014-15 about the Nestle CEO saying "water shouldn't be free and everyone should not have inclusive access to potable water", you'd probably feel stupid about it.
This is a big display of idiocy and a show that you lack moral decadence, decent culture and home training. I wonder how what I posted caused all the unguarded vulgar words you used, it's a very show of shame on your part and speaks so loudly about who you are.

Stop being sentimental, and whether you like it or not, the market will continue to play the economics of demand and supply between employees and employers just as I iterated before, and none of them will have permanent dominance in a sane economy depending on the economical condition in play.


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Well, people like Tim Gurner should be brought back to earth in a hard way.... because his attitude towards human beings suck. Your employees are not supposed to be subservient slaves, like they were in 3500 BC.... because we as humans evolved... and we now appreciate the people that put bread on your table.  Roll Eyes

I hate arrogant rich pricks like him, because they think money make them special... and that their money allow them to handle other people like second grade humans.  Angry

It is completely absurd for the person who made the statement to say that he is very demanding for workers when the rich 1 percent own half of the world's wealth. I don't understand how he can make this statement so easily. Salaried people in the world, workers are not demanding despite everything.
Except for a minority group, the number of people seeking their rights is very small and as a result, such arrogant statements can be made. All they do is work, work and work to increase the wealth of the 1%. In order to meet the demands of people with this mindset, you have to starve to death. The fact that these statements are even being made is entirely due to our own incompetence. It's time to speak out.
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At present if the nation is ahead of the curve it is never possible to increase unemployment an employee wants his freedom in work and the boss should not impose everything according to his wishes. If he wants to improve his company he must treat the employees well many new jobs have been created unemployment is inevitable because the economy is always changing. Some organizations are shrinking while others are expanding. Some regions are experiencing faster growth than others migration of workers within firms and between regions is accompanied by temporary unemployment. The workers are now very aware and when the owners put pressure on them they create new ideas to stay ahead of the competition.
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