Topic: Tim Gurner wants Unemployment to increase. Employers have lost their power. - page 3. (Read 532 times)

And that is precisely the problem, we are seeing that many companies are trying to force people back to the office as in that way they can keep a very tight control of their employees, and people do not want that, however even when threatened they will be fired people are simply deciding to quit instead of going back to the office, this tells us the conditions are so bad at the office people are deciding to become unemployed or to start their own business, and when the biggest threat companies have has no effect on their employees, then they should realize they no longer hold the power they had before the pandemic.

So, here's how business works. Everyone wants power over something, yet they depend on each other. Companies have gained more benefits than their employees, but when a company's reputation is at stake, they feel compelled to lower the status of their employees, almost treating them like slaves, just to maintain control.

This practice indeed seems cruel, as it comes across as oppressive. Companies can play the role of job providers, and when the unemployment rate is high, their power becomes even stronger. What if the situation were reversed? Jobs are abundant, and unemployment is minimal. It seems that companies would start to appreciate their employees.

 Tim Gurner can WANT anything But he will have to accept and come to terms with the fact that the world has changed. And yes, COVID was some kind of trigger that changed the labor market. Not everywhere, but in many countries and heads. And what's amazing is that people realized that you can work not "man-hours in the office" but productively and remotely and even multiple jobs at the same time. And it WORKS!
And even by personal example I can say - I have a group of developers and system administrators, and after covid, and then after the terrorist attack of russia on my country - they do not work in the office, they work at home or in places where they relocated, 1 outside of Ukraine, in the EU. And no problems happened ! For people this format of work - additional non-material motivation, for me - reduction of expenses on office maintenance and providing workplaces

I hope this kind of stuff will get him cancelled. People finally got empowered, calling at least some of the shots about their lives. They're already working and providing profit to the employers, so yeah, I think they should have a say about their working conditions in that case.
Employers have been mistreating their employees, now they finally realize that they gotta listen to the people who work for them, and this guy wants to punish those who usually just want decent lives and decent work environments for having the audacity to want that stuff.

It just made me laugh reading this as those employers lost their powers. Well the only reason why those employees are kind of demanding this is that they don't see the hard work that was done by employees. I've gotten too emotional here as I've experienced this. Employees are the key to company success as those people are the ones really continuing the transactions but the way employers do it is they are going to slave their employees lucky on them if those employees won't leave but most of them will. They should look at their management and know what is the problem with their company, they should know the reason behind it. Employees should feel the power and be compensated well.

Modern slavery and nothing more than that, because what else can you say when you see how someone treats workers' rights, or better said, considers these rights completely unnecessary. According to them, people should work, shut up and put up with everything the boss tells them, even if it means humiliating themselves to the point of renouncing their basic labor rights, such as going on a break or going to the toilet, or maybe even working without regular pay.

In my country, employers mostly treated workers in the private sector very badly while there were a lot of unemployed people, and today, when people have gone to all corners of the world, they import foreign labor that is not even half as good as the local ones. A good worker should be appreciated and paid, but this is something that some employers realize too late, perhaps only when they wonder why profits and production are falling, or when their company fails.

It is sadly true that this is the case in almost every facet of work, because that is how even the government control the citizens.
It is true also that employment in many cases is same as slavery. All the managers and owner care about many a times is you working your ass off till overtime for the salary, without having to say a word on being treated wrongly or unfairly.

The good news is that Crypto currency trading and all its form or decentralization has made this control over ones purse or finance to not be effective. Hence the regulation that government wants to impose so as to still keep a leash on the citizens.
The rise of entrepreneurs is one stand against the modern day slavery idea of being employed in a job that doesn't care about you.
Think like a boss and be financially, independent and free.
By investment in cryptocurrency and the emerging technology of Web3 and Blockchain technology.

Tim Gurner opinion make sense only to the low skilled labor. As you said, employer could just fired an employee and find another one, but this only applied in low skilled labor, because many people can do the job and the training/trial period is quick and cheap. But in high skilled labor, the demand for 'good' employee is actually higher than the supply, not everyone has the set of skill that is required, and even when the employer can find another employee they need to train them about the work-flow and some basic principle of the company, because not all company has that the same, and in high skilled-labor job, that's not cheap for the employer.

I know employers always say that there are other people willing to take up the job of their employees as soon as they are fired for incompetence or not meeting up some productivity metrics. There is already unemployment and if he or any other CEO think that their staff are not being productive enough, they can easily find another person willing to do the same work since they pay what the work is worth. Consequently, if their staff is not being productive and the CEOs aren't able to find any person to replace those workers, then it means that they simply aren't paying what his work is worth, and people will choose other better options.

Wow, this is very great, good initiative, now that he has spoken, the world is going to be a better place and employees will become serious after what he said. When others are innovative and creative to bring the cost of a good environment for their employees, he is looking for alternative ways to sabotage the effort of people who allow us to do remote work. It doesn't make sense, we didn't call for COVID-19, it happened as caused by others mistake and we dealt with, and the alternative is still saving people to date, the majority has turned their company to virtual and is more productive and economical in cost.

He doesn't have a say when there is a high increase in labour, you can't beat it because if you want the country to develop, you will need labour and when you need labour, you will also need more employers. You can't have fewer people to have their ass work up with less pay, nobody will do that, you can't even enslave employees, there is a labour congress union watching for the rights of the workers.

It is ridiculous. It does suggest systemic and structural causes of the problem and distress are simply an employee being unproductive while being paid "a lot". What is more absurd are the answer to the problem which requires the unemployment rate to rise.


That is simply a supervillain attitude that wants to control their employer, instead of seeking the root of the problems. He wants obedience, structurally. Control and obedience.

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Based on the latest news, he apologised. Nevertheless, it still may do convey what his true deepest sense. It was unemphatic, but that kind of thinking is what societies or employers' deepest problem.

Or conversely, employers with opinions like this are actual dictators who support a system of slavery. They think they can still stick to the old rule of "money is power". The Covid pandemic has actually helped employees to remove the shackles of dictation from previous bosses and opened up opportunities to find better economic stability variables. Covid is the new economic order.

Sadly, this is just how some people who have occupied positions of power often think. It can corrupt just as it this CEO has been corrupted in thinking and opinion because he has been in a position where he dictates the employment and unemployment status of people. CEOs with this kind of thinking often overuse their staff and are not usually happy when they see that their staffs are doing well. People have often said that there are some CEO's who are not happy about the progress of their staffs, this Tim Gurner is an example of this.

I kinda understand his logic and his point of view, but I don't understand why does he have to share his thoughts publicly.
If he was a member of the working class, such statements would probably make him angry.  More power to the people and less power to the rich elite is actually something good. The employers are still making lots of money(even after the pandemic and the "work from home" trend). What is he complaining about? I don't really think that the employers need "more power". They have enough power and more than enough money.

To a greater extent I think we are saying the same thing. If I'm not mistaken, you are corroborating my views on the internet revolution on job creation which is witnessed during the COVID-19 work from home sager. So you will be surprised that if such factory workers lose their job or resign from it, they won't find it very difficult to hook up with opportunities online if they are internet compliance or are willing to learn the requirements of using a smart phone or computer/laptop. The internet has given more opportunity of assumption of unemployed people, the internet has driven people into hidden talents they never knew, like different video on YouTube teaching on different life experience, comedy skits, health talks, relationship and marriage etc.

Although Tim Gurner has a point that there are cases when employees are demanding too much and are taking so much authority from their employers, this is just a ridiculous outlook, especially from a developing country's perspective. Unemployment is one of the biggest problems developing countries are facing and it contributes to a lot more pressing matters that we face. Moreover, it will be close to impossible (especially right now) to take control of the rising quantity of work-from-home employees as it has flooded the industry when COVID-19 hits. If he wants to take back the power he feels like employers are losing to their employees I'm sure there are other ways to do so than engrave fear of unemployment to others. This honestly just feels like an idea from a privilege individual (which I don't doubt that he is).

But this revolution you are talking about does not apply to everyone. There are still waiters and factory workers whose working conditions are like those of the 20th century. More and more people are able to work online, or at least generate extra income from the internet, and that's a power they didn't have in the 20th century, let alone further back.

Anyway, I think he's partly right that with COVID people were sent home and paid not to work. This meant a change that is now returning to the previous normality, little by little, but what he says about the fact that we need to see 50% unemployment for this to be fixed is too exaggerated. Neither one thing nor the other, neither paying people not to work nor mass unemployment to make them accept slave-like conditions, which is what he would like.

Have you taken a second thought to ponder that just maybe the fall short in maximization of profit could be arising from the management at the top due to poor managerial decisions? There's much to consider on both sides, therefore laying off an entire staffs and employing new won't make that much difference when the management haven't taking a sober reflection on their on path in whatever downturn the company might be facing.

There certain worker's in a company that when you lose their kind of unique expertise it take you if not +5 to get someone to fill their space perfectly. Hope he the employer/company can cope with losing such staff's going by his idea of mass sack?

Todd Boehly   the new owner of Chelsea football club  is a simple example, instantly sacking of all old staffs to employ new staffs and since then the resultant effect of that action on the club results hasn't been the same despite billions spent on players.

And you think that the world returning back to normalcy after the effect of the covid-19 global pandemic is by employers laying off their entire workers based on the excuse that the employees are gaining or have gained much power? 
He's only heading for his company's doom as it's only an employee that doesn't know his worth would be begging for job.

The pandemic actually gave more access to a variety of options for those working from home. People have realized that they don't have to stick with their former employers when someone else across the country is willing to pay him more for his services while staying at home. I'm pretty sure Tim knows this.

They could do that but they can't easily replace skill set and experience.

This is ridiculous. Unemployment is the main problem in 3rd world countries and a major problem in Western countries. This guy sounds like he wants to buy the employees with the salary and make them do whatever his company wants. I live in a country where a person works as a driver, but the employer forces him to do grocery shopping, cleaning the house and other things as well. The driver does not have other options except to do what his boss asks him to do. Because he is afraid of losing his job and thousands of people are waiting for this position.

I won't work for people who want to use their employees in such ways. I have worked with international companies where a European guy was the boss. He was too humble and always tended to apologize if it was his mistake. I cannot imagine any of my local employers saying sorry to their employees for their mistakes.