Times When Casinos Will Ask Certificate That You Are A Responsible Gambler

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Quote from: maydna on April 15, 2023, 06:50:46 PM

Quote from: Johnyz on April 15, 2023, 04:52:20 PM

Casinos will never ask for this or else gamblers will go to other site and play with them, if you will restrict your players thar much, don’t expect them to stay with your site. Casinos though have to help those people who are already suffering with gambling addiction, I hope they focus more on being a responsible casinos than focusing on their profit. Remember the more healthy gamblers, the more profit for them.

But casinos have warned gamblers who come to their casinos to always gamble responsibly with their money and not gamble excessively. And the casino cannot go too far because it is up to each gambler and the casino also considers gamblers to be people who can care for themselves while playing gambling. But if those people are already gambling addicts, the casino can't do anything because it's beyond their responsibility. And those people have to try to cure their gambling addiction with the help of the people around them.

because the casino's job is only to provide and warn, but if people become addicted it is not the responsibility of the casino because it has always reminded you that you are always responsible for your bets.
from this we must understand that addiction will not stop anyone and if a casino asks for a certificate just to reduce addiction, maybe gamblers will stop gambling in that casino and move to another casino.
so gambling addiction is just the responsibility of every gambler.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

This is going to become increasingly prevalent in the next couple years, especially with the big cryptocurrency gambling brands that currently exist. You can see that crypto is very much a target for different financial and regulatory agencies at the moment by the fact that two major P2P exchanges have closed down recently. They had been working well for over 10 years without a hitch but in the last couple months the two biggest ones closed down. It shows you the amount of power and influence that can be applied very quickly to even the biggest sites. If there is a change of mood or a politician needs an easy target then they are ripe for it unless they have all their documentation in order including KYC which mainstream fiat currency sites are all enforcing.

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Quote from: PX-Z on April 15, 2023, 07:54:10 PM

Uploading such file "responsible gambler certificate" before playing on gambling platforms won't help problematic gamblers to gamble because "government is trying to protect the users' wealth". Certs can be forged, faked, etc.

Exactly. What's the point of having this certificate if it can be fake of someone who's eager to gamble despite of not being a responsible gambler when already playing. Moreover if you're a casino owner, do you want to limit your gamblers because he's playing excessively? BTW Casino is a business.

Quote from: PX-Z on April 15, 2023, 07:54:10 PM

There is no cure for addiction, remember that, it's someone's sole responsibility to do avoid, stop and be responsible in anything they should do even not in gambling, as long it is considered as addiction.

There's a cure but it will start by helping ourselves. So it depends on us if we're a responsible person to control ourselves in everything we do.

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Quote from: PX-Z on April 15, 2023, 07:54:10 PM

Uploading such file "responsible gambler certificate" before playing on gambling platforms won't help problematic gamblers to gamble because "government is trying to protect the users' wealth". Certs can be forged, faked, etc.
There is no cure for addiction, remember that, it's someone's sole responsibility to do avoid, stop and be responsible in anything they should do even not in gambling, as long it is considered as addiction.

This is a difficult thing to accept for some people as they believe that we can do everything including protecting people from themselves, but this is false, at some point people need to take responsibility for their actions and start to own up their mistakes instead of simply blaming society and everyone they can point their finger for what happens to them, the majority of gamblers can gamble responsibly and if there are a few people out there which cannot do this then they need to look for help instead of forcing everyone else to get a useless certificate.

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Uploading such file "responsible gambler certificate" before playing on gambling platforms won't help problematic gamblers to gamble because "government is trying to protect the users' wealth". Certs can be forged, faked, etc.
There is no cure for addiction, remember that, it's someone's sole responsibility to do avoid, stop and be responsible in anything they should do even not in gambling, as long it is considered as addiction.

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Quote from: Johnyz on April 15, 2023, 04:52:20 PM

Casinos will never ask for this or else gamblers will go to other site and play with them, if you will restrict your players thar much, don’t expect them to stay with your site. Casinos though have to help those people who are already suffering with gambling addiction, I hope they focus more on being a responsible casinos than focusing on their profit. Remember the more healthy gamblers, the more profit for them.

But casinos have warned gamblers who come to their casinos to always gamble responsibly with their money and not gamble excessively. And the casino cannot go too far because it is up to each gambler and the casino also considers gamblers to be people who can care for themselves while playing gambling. But if those people are already gambling addicts, the casino can't do anything because it's beyond their responsibility. And those people have to try to cure their gambling addiction with the help of the people around them.

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Casinos will never ask for this or else gamblers will go to other site and play with them, if you will restrict your players thar much, don’t expect them to stay with your site. Casinos though have to help those people who are already suffering with gambling addiction, I hope they focus more on being a responsible casinos than focusing on their profit. Remember the more healthy gamblers, the more profit for them.

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I really wouldn't get surprised if casinos get to to ask for certificate to prove that a gambler is responsible before allowed to gamble because just as we all know that nothing is guaranteed in gambling and anything can happen.

But I was also thinking about the possibilities of a casino asking for documents begire allowing anyone to wager on their platform and I couldn't stop but laugh because the government is just trying so hard to fustrate the effort of its citizens just to be in control of their activities because in my country it seems the government doesn't want to see it's citizens progress hence they want to be in charge of all they do.
Thank you op for this imagination and I hope the government doesn't make any attempt to privatize the gambling industry.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 15, 2023, 12:20:07 AM

I don't think so, that means their business going down if there is a need for a certificate to be passed. I mean, look at how gamblers are already against the KYC requirement of online casinos. They don't like it because it takes out their privacy. Most of them want to be kept hidden for their own security or protection.
What more with a certificate? Of course, attached to it will be your profile and maybe more information about you/the gambler.
This will not happen for a lot of reasons. Even the government might go against it for it will cost them the taxes they are receiving from these big businesses.

^Definitely right and I agree, so for what they will ask certificate as a responsible gambler, people nowadays as much as they can avoid KYC will do this, it seems like, they don't have any other option to face KYC gambling casino. Business is business here for a gambling casino, they don't want also to lose their players. If that certificate will be implemented, it will surely reduce players and transfer to their convenient way of use. The competition in the gambling business now is very rampant, so people choose a better one.

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The casino sites should have the certificate to prove their are not the scammer. Mainly the online casino should need of casino certification, because many scam casinos was introduced now. People with certain money and had a cheap designer for the gambling site will start the casino on their own. They will not have huge bank balance to pay the winner, we should find them by do the background verification of every site. We also check the wagering of the casino sites. The casino owner can add their certificate home page to show they are not the scammer. In many countries, the casino is not the trusted one. For that country the casino may allow user to use of VPN to use their website.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 15, 2023, 11:08:03 AM

Quote from: uneng on April 15, 2023, 10:19:15 AM

The theory presented by OP is an interesting one, and I don't think it's totally impossible to happen for real. It will depend on the course modern society or some countries in particular take from now on.

At this point in time, we never know and I maintain that casinos will not agree that this will become part of their requirement, especially for high rollers, but if the data of gamblers ruining their lives because of too much addiction the government might require casino operators to ask their players to upload a certificate that they are a responsible gamble maybe from a government institution set up by the government to check if you are a compulsive gambler.
When it comes to gambling it's a personal matter, it's the family's responsibility to check their loved one's level of addiction to gambling.

It's a good way to control gambling addiction so I think it's possie but I don't think players will agree to it. Many gamblers actually hate KYC so what more if casinos will require to go deeper to ask for certificates just to check things about their gambling journey?
I don't think the government would also focus on it because their main focus is to tax gambling and not to totally eliminate gambling addiction. It's true that gambling addiction is a personal matter and it's something that should be solved personally.

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Quote from: uneng on April 15, 2023, 10:19:15 AM

The theory presented by OP is an interesting one, and I don't think it's totally impossible to happen for real. It will depend on the course modern society or some countries in particular take from now on.

At this point in time, we never know and I maintain that casinos will not agree that this will become part of their requirement, especially for high rollers, but if the data of gamblers ruining their lives because of too much addiction the government might require casino operators to ask their players to upload a certificate that they are a responsible gamble maybe from a government institution set up by the government to check if you are a compulsive gambler.
When it comes to gambling it's a personal matter, it's the family's responsibility to check their loved one's level of addiction to gambling.

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Quote from: Weawant on April 13, 2023, 05:52:41 AM

Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

The government would never do that, they act like the care while they don't, those casinos will lose customers if this get implemented and that'll be bad for business, if there's no business then the government don't get paid.

The casinos are one of the businesses that the government get taxes from because they're actively making profit. The government won't want to lose that tax revenue. The casino aren't responsible for your addiction too.

You should be able to control yourself and only bet with money you can afford to lose, if you can't handle your addiction then quit gambling and look for other ways you can make money or entertain yourself that isn't gambling.

I think it depends on the government we are talking about. Keep in mind the more centralized a government is, more bureaucracy and regulations they like creating and enforcing, because after all, it generates more jobs' spots for new regulators on the public administration, what allow the government to employ their campaign's supporters (working as a reward for the support and votes received to win the polls).

The theory presented by OP is an interesting one, and I don't think it's totally impossible to happen for real. It will depend on the course modern society or some countries in particular take from now on.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 15, 2023, 12:20:07 AM

I don't think so, that means their business going down if there is a need for a certificate to be passed. I mean, look at how gamblers are already against the KYC requirement of online casinos. They don't like it because it takes out their privacy. Most of them want to be kept hidden for their own security or protection.
What more with a certificate? Of course, attached to it will be your profile and maybe more information about you/the gambler.
This will not happen for a lot of reasons. Even the government might go against it for it will cost them the taxes they are receiving from these big businesses.

for sure there will be a lot of casinos that are closed. I mean if such a certificate is assigned to the casino there will be many gamblers who stop gambling at online casinos which makes it uncomfortable when the anonymity has to be given by the casino just for the sake of gambling.
I agree with your statement that even KYC at this time seems to have burdened gamblers which makes it a little uncomfortable and if that happens, many gamblers will retire.

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 13, 2023, 06:32:36 PM

if there's an option why would the gamblers stay on that strict casino that's why it being asked many times in the forum about being required to comply with the KYC process. And with all of these requirements and stuff, this certificate is just going to be another obstacle for many gamblers and it's kind of annoying for some because there's this self validation that needs to be done and many of us don't like to be figured out like that as we know ourselves better.

Casinos that have a lot of players and are at the top will probably do their best to avoid having such a restriction even if the authorities try to force it on them, because they understand how critical this can be to the platform knowing a lot of gamblers will simply switch to another competitive platform and they will slowly start losing business.

Players who don't wish to comply with the rule of providing a responsible gambling certificate will start finding alternatives as soon as their favorite casinos makes the announcement about the new rule. That will be a nightmare for casino business, literally.

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I don't think so, that means their business going down if there is a need for a certificate to be passed. I mean, look at how gamblers are already against the KYC requirement of online casinos. They don't like it because it takes out their privacy. Most of them want to be kept hidden for their own security or protection.
What more with a certificate? Of course, attached to it will be your profile and maybe more information about you/the gambler.
This will not happen for a lot of reasons. Even the government might go against it for it will cost them the taxes they are receiving from these big businesses.

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Yeah. I believe so, the industry's riddled with irresponsible gamblers and by those who are just 2 big losses straight to gambling addiction land, so a form of a proof l, if such would be mecessary or be implemented in the future, will be asked of the gambler before they can even start with the gambling. Of thos is done to the entire gambling industry, it will definitely deter everyone who's at the verge of gambling addiction.

On the other hand though, this is money we're talking about. So there is a good chance the casinos will not implement it, what do they care about the gambling addicts anyway

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Quote from: Russlenat on April 14, 2023, 05:58:16 PM

Just face the reality that not all the times the government can protect their people, especially in cases like gambling where it has already existed decades ago. That’s why I don’t see this happening in the future. What the government can do is to keep reminding the people to be responsible in all their actions and decisions, just like in gambling, if they can’t see theirselves managing the addiction later on, then it’s better not to engage in it in the first place. If they won’t listen, then I guess it’s not a loss of the government but the gamblers themselves.

That's the best option for them and just to make every one be reminded about being responsible when they gamble.

They can't stop or force them to do so because it's all in the books that everyone is free to do whatever they want to do especially in countries that have freedom.

Governments can add some additional requirements but I guess that this is too much for them to consider or not that going to have an impact at all. Because with these certificates, someone can still lie.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

Just face the reality that not all the times the government can protect their people, especially in cases like gambling where it has already existed decades ago. That’s why I don’t see this happening in the future. What the government can do is to keep reminding the people to be responsible in all their actions and decisions, just like in gambling, if they can’t see theirselves managing the addiction later on, then it’s better not to engage in it in the first place. If they won’t listen, then I guess it’s not a loss of the government but the gamblers themselves.

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Quote from: dezoel on April 14, 2023, 02:36:51 PM

No government or casino can stop someone with an addiction stops gambling no matter how hard they try, besides, casinos will basically not opt-in for such a policy knowing this will only cause them loss in their business as most of the revenue that they make come from people who are addicted of gambling and can't resist the urge to gamble.

A platform will basically lose a lot of its customers if they start asking for certificates of that kind all of a sudden, and that isn't something they would want to happen unless the governments force them to do so in which case they won't have a choice, but addicted gamblers will still find a way to gamble.

That's why I said it's not the right move to ask for a certificate to mark responsible gamblers, if they realize that gambling can make them worse, then what should be done is stop gambling and no one is forcing people to gamble. Gambling has been going on for decades, it's just that the patterns of gambling games are now more sophisticated than ever, so any excuse won't stop gamblers.

They are running a business in a Casino and asking for conditions that will unnecessarily burden the gambler, so they will decide to look for another Casino or will gamble according to traditional patterns, in a relationship doing business would be against the wishes of the OP and the Government also may not necessarily see this as a solution.

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