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Quote from: lizarder on April 13, 2023, 03:01:06 PM

Quote from: Weawant on April 13, 2023, 05:52:41 AM

The casinos are one of the businesses that the government get taxes from because they're actively making profit. The government won't want to lose that tax revenue. The casino aren't responsible for your addiction too.

You should be able to control yourself and only bet with money you can afford to lose, if you can't handle your addiction then quit gambling and look for other ways you can make money or entertain yourself that isn't gambling.

I don't think it's an implementation that will limit gamblers to get involved, Casino runs a business and they never care how much user's money will run out, certificates as OP described also won't work to limit number of gamblers and level of restriction government also can't afford to play much bigger role.

Active gamblers have several criteria before playing and most of the addicted people are more difficult to control themselves and even though the state tries to block some Casino sites. The problem is not government certificates or bans, but gambling has been going on for decades long before online casinos began to develop.

No government or casino can stop someone with an addiction stops gambling no matter how hard they try, besides, casinos will basically not opt-in for such a policy knowing this will only cause them loss in their business as most of the revenue that they make come from people who are addicted of gambling and can't resist the urge to gamble.

A platform will basically lose a lot of its customers if they start asking for certificates of that kind all of a sudden, and that isn't something they would want to happen unless the governments force them to do so in which case they won't have a choice, but addicted gamblers will still find a way to gamble.

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Quote from: ralle14 on April 12, 2023, 08:49:31 PM

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Maybe aside from that, they'll also ask you for an interview before able to deposit and that's like going to happen during the registration. These casinos understand that the more they ask a lot of things from their customers, the more that they're pushing away that money from them.
That's why it's important to get along what's the demand is asking them and not to ask customers more that aren't really needed unless it's an actual information that the regulators want them to have.

That's true when there's a casino that has stricter requirements then those gamblers would just simply switch to another that requires less as it's unlikely for every casino to have the same requirements when they're based in different countries.

There would still be gamblers that are willing to follow those requirements but the downside for the affected casinos might be too much and in exchange, it's going to limit their operations.

Yeah, if there's an option why would the gamblers stay on that strict casino that's why it being asked many times in the forum about being required to comply with the KYC process. And with all of these requirements and stuff, this certificate is just going to be another obstacle for many gamblers and it's kind of annoying for some because there's this self validation that needs to be done and many of us don't like to be figured out like that as we know ourselves better.

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Quote from: Weawant on April 13, 2023, 05:52:41 AM

The casinos are one of the businesses that the government get taxes from because they're actively making profit. The government won't want to lose that tax revenue. The casino aren't responsible for your addiction too.

You should be able to control yourself and only bet with money you can afford to lose, if you can't handle your addiction then quit gambling and look for other ways you can make money or entertain yourself that isn't gambling.

I don't think it's an implementation that will limit gamblers to get involved, Casino runs a business and they never care how much user's money will run out, certificates as OP described also won't work to limit number of gamblers and level of restriction government also can't afford to play much bigger role.

Active gamblers have several criteria before playing and most of the addicted people are more difficult to control themselves and even though the state tries to block some Casino sites. The problem is not government certificates or bans, but gambling has been going on for decades long before online casinos began to develop.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on April 12, 2023, 09:52:50 AM

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I'm not sure gamblers will agree to the government's plan to upload responsible gambler certificates especially gamblers who usually play in crypto casinos, because it has crossed the boundaries of crypto casinos. Those crypto gamblers will probably move on to other crypto casinos that don't ask for those certificates.

But if the certificate is for a gambler who has lost a lot of money, maybe the certificate can become necessary because the casino doesn't want to be blamed by anyone. Apart from that, the government also supervises casinos, so the casinos are just trying to carry out the rules.

I don't think that a casino would really care if someone blames them for the loss of a gambler since everyone understands that casinos are a business and they are not going to close down their platforms only because someone has lost a significant amount of money with them, it's a user's responsibility to manage their finances.

It is like someone going to a shop, buying something, go break it, and then blaming the shop owner for taking their money. Casinos may provide you the platform to gamble but it is not them who make you gamble.

The casino obviously wouldn't really care about someone who had experienced a loss and the casino would probably argue that the casino has made it clear what the rules are in their casino. Casinos would reason that if users could manage their money to gamble, they wouldn't have that bad experience and could even enjoy it.

But the casino should investigate the case first to find out the facts that happened. Thus, the casino can announce it to the public and investigate for more information. But asking gamblers to upload responsible gambler certificates is not always the answer to gambling addiction problems. People addicted to gambling can play at other casinos if the casino or the government blocks their casino account.

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Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

This is one thing that is impossible for online casino.
Casino's can't control who want to gamble and who dont want to gamble, responsible or irresponsible. Even the addicted gambler will claim a responsible gambler because he want to gamble. Who looses his wealth or health as a result of gambling addiction is not casino's issues.
For instance in the case of a drunkered, the seller will never stop selling alcohol to a drunkerd as long as he pays for his alcohol. In the case of online casino, they can't predict who is an addict or who has lost his wealth as a reault of gambling addiction.
So for an online casino to upload a responsible gambler certificate before continue gambling is almost impossible.

The harsh reality is, that a person who is addicted to something will find a way to do that no matter what, whether you restrict them, or do whatever you want to prevent them from doing that, but there will be a place or a person that they will find to fulfill the needs of their addiction because it is something that one cannot control.

Even if most casinos apply something like that, there will always be a platform that will allow everyone to gamble, and after such a scenario, such a casino will earn a lot of profits and get a lot of customers that will be restricted from other platforms.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

The government would never do that, they act like the care while they don't, those casinos will lose customers if this get implemented and that'll be bad for business, if there's no business then the government don't get paid.

The casinos are one of the businesses that the government get taxes from because they're actively making profit. The government won't want to lose that tax revenue. The casino aren't responsible for your addiction too.

You should be able to control yourself and only bet with money you can afford to lose, if you can't handle your addiction then quit gambling and look for other ways you can make money or entertain yourself that isn't gambling.

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I remember when I was just a child, my parent used to talk about some people living close by that got their lives destroyed by gambling away their life savings, the government is not responsible for this and it's never the government's responsibility to tell people how to spend their money, that's slavery if it happens.

Gamble responsibly, is something many people failed to understand, this becomes addicting very fast if care is not taken but if you can gamble with what you can afford to lose you will always be fine.

Those that got their lives ruined by gambling took it too far, they got greedy and lost everything, if the government is controlling how people spend their money it's no more a free world.

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I Am a fan of Online casino but I love more playing in regular/live casino so I don't have problem with this because once time happens that this needs to be on process then I have no problem going back to my first love and that is to play in casino houses , though it will take some time to come but at least i can do this twice a year and go with my gambling activities.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I do not see it happening, once people are recognized by the law as adults they can do whatever they want with their money, if it was us we would never spend the amount of money those which are addicted spend on keeping their addictions going, but it is their decision, the moment you begin to tell people how they can spend the money they earned you are crossing a very dangerous line, something that we are already seeing at China and which I do not think free countries should emulate.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

It’s not the concern anymore of the government since the gambler itself should be most aware on how to avoid huge losses from gambling and to stay away from gambling addiction. If he’s not a responsible one, then he might only go broke from gambling and might regret it later on. However, on the part of asking certificate, if this will be true in the future, I would say gambling casinos will never gain the same profits as it is now. If most gamblers will be restricted from gambling, then maybe it’s the best time to shut down gambling casinos than to suffer bankruptcy in the long run.

But if Government will show some concern about gamblers(of course just to pretend but the truth is they want to run against casino sites) then asking this will happen eventually , and as government knew how much money flowing from gambling businesses , then the thing is that will do everything just to take some part of the cake and having this will soon be alarmed gamblers.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on April 12, 2023, 09:52:50 AM

Quote from: michellee on April 11, 2023, 07:48:48 AM

I'm not sure gamblers will agree to the government's plan to upload responsible gambler certificates especially gamblers who usually play in crypto casinos, because it has crossed the boundaries of crypto casinos. Those crypto gamblers will probably move on to other crypto casinos that don't ask for those certificates.

But if the certificate is for a gambler who has lost a lot of money, maybe the certificate can become necessary because the casino doesn't want to be blamed by anyone. Apart from that, the government also supervises casinos, so the casinos are just trying to carry out the rules.

I don't think that a casino would really care if someone blames them for the loss of a gambler since everyone understands that casinos are a business and they are not going to close down their platforms only because someone has lost a significant amount of money with them, it's a user's responsibility to manage their finances.

It is like someone going to a shop, buying something, go break it, and then blaming the shop owner for taking their money. Casinos may provide you the platform to gamble but it is not them who make you gamble.

I'm really sure that they fully understand the game of gtheir industry wherein they will cause a lot of pain, heartbreaks, defeat, sorrow and a lot of regrets to the majority of their customer and clients. There is a casino edge for a reason, it is to make sure that they keep earning even if someone hit the jackpot and other big prizes. The job of the casino is to extract money from their clients and customers so they do not have any reason for them to ask certificate if you are a responsible gambler or not. You are the one who will decide if you can handle your emotion, take risks, handle expectation and also understanding that the gambling is about probabilities.

I saw a lot of gamblers who blame the casino after they lose huge money in gambling without fully knowing that the reason why they lose is because of his mindset, expectation, skills and alo experienced. The professional and successful gambler understand that gambling psychology plays a very huge factor and it is one of the key for gambling success. You are the one who will take responsibility of for your success, what you do today will have a big impact on your future.

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 12, 2023, 07:43:33 PM

Maybe aside from that, they'll also ask you for an interview before able to deposit and that's like going to happen during the registration. These casinos understand that the more they ask a lot of things from their customers, the more that they're pushing away that money from them.
That's why it's important to get along what's the demand is asking them and not to ask customers more that aren't really needed unless it's an actual information that the regulators want them to have.

That's true when there's a casino that has stricter requirements then those gamblers would just simply switch to another that requires less as it's unlikely for every casino to have the same requirements when they're based in different countries.

There would still be gamblers that are willing to follow those requirements but the downside for the affected casinos might be too much and in exchange, it's going to limit their operations.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.

Casinos facilitate gambling and they do not require a certificate to show responsible gambling. They run a business in the Casino and they never care how much money you spend on gambling, because they run a business not open donations.

Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

There are many countries that try to block Gambling sites and that doesn't stop Casinos from operating in those countries. The reason the state tries to protect people from losing a lot of money due to addiction makes no sense at all, gambling has been going on for so long in human life, it's just that now there are many platforms that make it easier for people to play gambling.

This is not the right solution and for the case of gamblers it will be very difficult to regulate, if they don't take advantage of gambling through casinos, gamblers will still gamble in the traditional way. If the reason is as you mentioned, then more precisely what can control the gambler is the individual gambler.

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Maybe aside from that, they'll also ask you for an interview before able to deposit and that's like going to happen during the registration. These casinos understand that the more they ask a lot of things from their customers, the more that they're pushing away that money from them.
That's why it's important to get along what's the demand is asking them and not to ask customers more that aren't really needed unless it's an actual information that the regulators want them to have.

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If casinos ever do that, it would be like inviting problems to harm oneself (its reputation and image here) as till today, we have heard great as well as sad stories of gamblers winning and losing huge. Gamblers who have lost huge in numbers were never asked to gamble at the casinos they gambled away their money at (no casino personally asks you to come and play there, all they do is marketing stuff and promotional emails based on your agreed consent, that's it), so why would they ask you for a certificate to prove that you're a responsible gambler? Won't this impede the casinos' business overall?

If and only if, the regulatory body wants casinos to do that in order to prevent bigger losses to people, losses which could make exceptional differences to their personal life, then the casinos may ever do that but that's never going to happen. It's like asking a 25 year old chain smoker (smoking since 15 years of age) to prove that his lungs are fit and that he can easily inhale/exhale the nicotine that's released inside the body every single time he smokes.

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Quote from: jostorres on April 12, 2023, 03:22:30 PM

Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I wonder why would a casino be interested in implementing something like that knowing this will only cause them fewer profits if gamblers that wager and lose a lot are probably a big part of why their businesses are still profitable. Casinos like gamblers that wager a lot and lose, not the ones that wager big but don't lose a lot to them.

Governments will never go that far only to protect the wealth or health of their people, if they were really that much concerned, they would definitely first clear every single thing that can be harmful to people within their countries, but they never do much about that too.

Even if they do, there are really problems which are really that in global scale which is something that could be resolved out easily or does really need that huge funding support or allocation or
it does really need up that crucial things which they cant be able to handle it out and ending up on just letting those problems to be existing because they cant just do nothing with it.
This is why it would really be depending on the situation because there are things which government do really take it far when it comes to decisions and rules
which we know that it does have its pros and cons too.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

I wonder why would a casino be interested in implementing something like that knowing this will only cause them fewer profits if gamblers that wager and lose a lot are probably a big part of why their businesses are still profitable. Casinos like gamblers that wager a lot and lose, not the ones that wager big but don't lose a lot to them.

Governments will never go that far only to protect the wealth or health of their people, if they were really that much concerned, they would definitely first clear every single thing that can be harmful to people within their countries, but they never do much about that too.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 09, 2023, 07:42:02 PM

Will there come a time when online casinos will implement that you upload a responsible gambler certificate before you continue to play because of too many government restrictions it's not necessary for newly registered gamblers but for gamblers who lose a lot of money and their activity is they are suspected to be addicted to gambling.
The reason why the government will implement this, as a precaution, is to protect people from losing their wealth and their health from too much gambling because of addiction, it's a way of protection.

This is one thing that is impossible for online casino.
Casino's can't control who want to gamble and who dont want to gamble, responsible or irresponsible. Even the addicted gambler will claim a responsible gambler because he want to gamble. Who looses his wealth or health as a result of gambling addiction is not casino's issues.
For instance in the case of a drunkered, the seller will never stop selling alcohol to a drunkerd as long as he pays for his alcohol. In the case of online casino, they can't predict who is an addict or who has lost his wealth as a reault of gambling addiction.
So for an online casino to upload a responsible gambler certificate before continue gambling is almost impossible.

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Quote from: michellee on April 11, 2023, 07:48:48 AM

I'm not sure gamblers will agree to the government's plan to upload responsible gambler certificates especially gamblers who usually play in crypto casinos, because it has crossed the boundaries of crypto casinos. Those crypto gamblers will probably move on to other crypto casinos that don't ask for those certificates.

But if the certificate is for a gambler who has lost a lot of money, maybe the certificate can become necessary because the casino doesn't want to be blamed by anyone. Apart from that, the government also supervises casinos, so the casinos are just trying to carry out the rules.

I don't think that a casino would really care if someone blames them for the loss of a gambler since everyone understands that casinos are a business and they are not going to close down their platforms only because someone has lost a significant amount of money with them, it's a user's responsibility to manage their finances.

It is like someone going to a shop, buying something, go break it, and then blaming the shop owner for taking their money. Casinos may provide you the platform to gamble but it is not them who make you gamble.

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There's no such thing. First of all, they won't track your losses and winnings as well as your betting habits. Also what would be their basis to tag a gambler responsible? Casinos would only want to have more players on their platform whether you consider yourself as responsible or not, that would be none of their business. People are different with one another; some are just more fond of betting huge amounts because they fan simply endure the consequence. However, there are those who are simply not playing with a sense of responsibility with their funds but still, that would be a gambler's personal issue and no one would mind to interfere with that. Casinos in the first place won't be sued for players who are losing that much, they just provide the platform.

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