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I can not recall my memory why I missed the topic Plagiarism as a result of cultural differences by Pmalek.
hilariousandco again proposed for a warning on the first plagiarism and don't know right practice to quote and rule but the proposal is for different plagiarism and not all the same for all cases
hilariousandco again proposed for a warning on the first plagiarism and don't know right practice to quote and rule but the proposal is for different plagiarism and not all the same for all cases
There are some people who do both ban evasion and plagiarism. One account was banned and use a new account to copy and paste posts from the banned account. The new account breaks 2 rules: ban evasion and plagiarism.
For the new account, it no member finds evidence of the old banned account, it will be considered as plagiarism. If members find evidence of connection between new account and old banned account, it will be considered as ban evasion and plagiarism, nevertheless.
Is this plagiarism?
For the new account, it no member finds evidence of the old banned account, it will be considered as plagiarism. If members find evidence of connection between new account and old banned account, it will be considered as ban evasion and plagiarism, nevertheless.
Is this plagiarism?
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In the past few days, a couple of linked newbie accounts (similar name) used the following tactic on my local board: They created monolithic-paragraph posts, with content that they copied from a site (originally in English), translated it (presumably via Google Translate) and pasted the result into their posts. No link to the original source, no added value, and fairly inconsistent if you read the posts.
I presume someone was trolling with theses posts, but it’s no longer an issue: they’ve been nuked. They actually qualified both as plagiarism and low value content.
I know what you are talking about.I presume someone was trolling with theses posts, but it’s no longer an issue: they’ve been nuked. They actually qualified both as plagiarism and low value content.
In August, that user was permanent banned because of plagiarism. Let's look at what he did to plagiarise. I saw his ban appeal in Meta.
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He took the article in Arabic from Binance Academy, used Google to translate it into English and say he made that translation. The truth is Binance Academy has an English version for that article.
In the past few days, a couple of linked newbie accounts (similar name) used the following tactic on my local board: They created monolithic-paragraph posts, with content that they copied from a site (originally in English), translated it (presumably via Google Translate) and pasted the result into their posts. No link to the original source, no added value, and fairly inconsistent if you read the posts.
I presume someone was trolling with theses posts, but it’s no longer an issue: they’ve been nuked. They actually qualified both as plagiarism and low value content.
I presume someone was trolling with theses posts, but it’s no longer an issue: they’ve been nuked. They actually qualified both as plagiarism and low value content.
Hope it's accurate and helps.
Not accurate!1. They either don't know the meaning of what the word means
2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.
1. If they don't understand the word meaning, why they make post? It is time for them to learn English and use the forum in Read-mode only.2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.
2. If they don't know the rule or know it but ignore it, they deserve the ban.
3. If they need to keep up activities (or post quota) but don't have ideas to use, the forum is not for them.
4. It is the same as the 2nd point.
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Plagiarism evasion = rephrase + source = OP = Active
Posters don't need to rephrase to be active. They can do terrible rephrase and wipe out the good original meaning.You can copy, paste, with links and show up your own opinion. No need to rephrase with links without your own opinion.
I made a post on a simple mathematical formula/equation to the definition of plagiarism and how to avoid being a victim of posting plagiarized contents. I'll just quote it here.
I'll keep it simple. There are a lot of ways to plagiarism in this forum, a few of them could be as a result of these factors which includes;
1. They either don't know the meaning of what the word means
2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.
These are most likely the result but the later is not quite helpful as I'll put it simply in an equation;
Plagiarism posting rule:
Plagiarism = copy and paste - source = Ban
Plagiarism evasion = rephrase + source = OP = Active
Is either you you avoid or keep to the above rules respectively or that which is appropriate will be awarded you in accordance to the rules. Simple.
Hope it's accurate and helps. 1. They either don't know the meaning of what the word means
2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.
These are most likely the result but the later is not quite helpful as I'll put it simply in an equation;
Plagiarism posting rule:
Plagiarism = copy and paste - source = Ban
Plagiarism evasion = rephrase + source = OP = Active
Is either you you avoid or keep to the above rules respectively or that which is appropriate will be awarded you in accordance to the rules. Simple.
The ban in mid of 2019 went away for a long time ago, but it is worthy to read and avoid permanent bans from your plagiarism. Maybe it is the first time you know about plagiarism and related bans on the forum. It's time to read and stay safe.
I think it is because they do not read the rules and even after read if they are doing than it is arrogance. I think there are rules which on broken there will be a temperory ban but plagiarism is all about stealing others work. Permanent ban is a fair justice.
They neither did read rules after creating their accounts here nor take care of the posts they make (copy & paste, spinned-texts, copy & google translate & paste, and more). They are lazy, don't care about rules, don't care about perma-bans because they believe they will not be caught. When they get caught, they complained about the forum, the rules, and their bans. What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
I think it is because they do not read the rules and even after read if they are doing than it is arrogance. I think there are rules which on broken there will be a temperory ban but plagiarism is all about stealing others work. Permanent ban is a fair justice.
Don't plagiarise. Please read OP to know reasons why you should never plagiarise and know how to avoid plagiarism (someone likely plagiarise without knowledge on forum rules).
It is a bump and will be deleted with my next bump.
It is a bump and will be deleted with my next bump.
Always a good idea to just write all original thoughts, no matter how messed up (or messy) it may look like, at least it is original. You can probably paraphrase an idea, but the point is that unless it is one or two short sentences, don't copy and paste.
Once again, I bump it to help you guys understand about the forum rules on plagiarism better.
Days ago, I also saw one user was banned because stealing banner designs of BitVest (Ban appeal is there: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unban-appeal-from-bitdeercom-5196114). I don't know that one will be called as plagiarism or not but at least from that case we know anyone who steal others' stuffs (documents, posts, banners, and more) will be banned when found.
Be careful, stay away from plagiarism, respect forum rules and others' works, just to be safe.
Days ago, I also saw one user was banned because stealing banner designs of BitVest (Ban appeal is there: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unban-appeal-from-bitdeercom-5196114). I don't know that one will be called as plagiarism or not but at least from that case we know anyone who steal others' stuffs (documents, posts, banners, and more) will be banned when found.
Be careful, stay away from plagiarism, respect forum rules and others' works, just to be safe.
I did not see any single example where a second chance is given for plagiarism here or do u have any such evidence 
There are some users who have good net-effects in the forum, were given second chances and jumped out of grave. You can see some of them in OP, and there: [BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods)Around more than 14 users unbanned (with or without signature ban). I think there are more than 14 unbanned cases because that topic probably has not real-time updated.
Plagiarism is a crime and it is not only related to this forum. This is something which is not tolerable. Maybe in some countries you maybe fined or any other punishment if you are found in or violate the copyrights.
What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
Some users know about that rule but still do it while some users don't know about that rule till the days their accounts banned permanently due to their platgiarism in the past. But they both often appear with ban appeal and ask for forgiveness after deny their plagiarism at start. When proof shown by admin, moderators, forum users, and they are unable to deny their past plagiarism, they will turn into ask for forgiveness and second chance to jump out of grave.What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
I did not see any single example where a second chance is given for plagiarism here or do u have any such evidence
Plagiarism is a crime and it is not only related to this forum. This is something which is not tolerable. Maybe in some countries you maybe fined or any other punishment if you are found in or violate the copyrights.
What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
Some users know about that rule but still do it while some users don't know about that rule till the days their accounts banned permanently due to their platgiarism in the past. But they both often appear with ban appeal and ask for forgiveness after deny their plagiarism at start. When proof shown by admin, moderators, forum users, and they are unable to deny their past plagiarism, they will turn into ask for forgiveness and second chance to jump out of grave. What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
I really don't understand why people still violate this forum rule called Plagiarism which means you will post or use someone else's post, topic, explanation or anything that is not yours but to make it as your own work without giving the credits to the owner. There is only one rule for all of those who don't want to lose earth.
Plagiarism is a crime and it is not only related to this forum. This is something which is not tolerable. Maybe in some countries you maybe fined or any other punishment if you are found in or violate the copyrights.
What makes me more surprised is that people know that their account will be permanently ban if they are caught in plagiarism but they still do it. Either they are ignorant or they do think that no one will notice them.
I think the easiest way is to just write all original posts. No need to copy anything since they can all be referenced.
You may link or quote if something seems nice, and in fact it may be a good idea to quote the relevant text since years later, the original site may disappear and you won't understand what is being talked about.
But if everything, or almost everything you post about is coming from the fingers you tap onto your keyboard straight from your brain, then it is original and nothing will ever be plagiarized.
Just like this.
You may link or quote if something seems nice, and in fact it may be a good idea to quote the relevant text since years later, the original site may disappear and you won't understand what is being talked about.
But if everything, or almost everything you post about is coming from the fingers you tap onto your keyboard straight from your brain, then it is original and nothing will ever be plagiarized.
Just like this.
I read your thread and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895 where people have reported for plagiarism. What I could take from all the discussion was that if you read something, understand and write/explain in your own words then it is not plagiarism. All this is when you just copy paste and put zero effort from your end and do not even give credits(mention) the original writer then you are misusing the article and you are punished(banned) for the same.
But, If you are here for knowledge then keep reading and where ever someone wants the knowledge you know just reply that as per your level of understanding. That is what is knowledge sharing right?
There are sites that checks plagiarism. I randomly picked one when I was reading the above thread and checked the reported replies the percentage plagiarism was more that 70-80%. In general one writes an answer on his/her own words then such answers are sometimes matching 30-40% that may be because of the general English sentences.
Is this how the moderators with the plagiarism thread or do they have a effective way to catch the culprits?
But, If you are here for knowledge then keep reading and where ever someone wants the knowledge you know just reply that as per your level of understanding. That is what is knowledge sharing right?
There are sites that checks plagiarism. I randomly picked one when I was reading the above thread and checked the reported replies the percentage plagiarism was more that 70-80%. In general one writes an answer on his/her own words then such answers are sometimes matching 30-40% that may be because of the general English sentences.
Is this how the moderators with the plagiarism thread or do they have a effective way to catch the culprits?
I edited OP by adding the rule #12 to let people whom have habits of copying and pasting their own posts around (multiple posts with same contents) that they have risks of temp bans by doing that.
I see some users doing copy paste their own comments and that it is also considered plagiarism.
You did not read my thread carefully. It has already mentioned in OP.You can't plagiarise yourself. Copying the same post into another or multiple threads would at worst get you a temp ban if it was deemed spam.
Posters who made multiple posts by copying and pasting their own posts do not obey that ruleQuote
12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).
Mate, I did read it
I was just saying nice of you to include this in your tips,
and I am reminding newbies about it yet again
I see some users doing copy paste their own comments and that it is also considered plagiarism.
You did not read my thread carefully. It has already mentioned in OP.You can't plagiarise yourself. Copying the same post into another or multiple threads would at worst get you a temp ban if it was deemed spam.
Posters who made multiple posts by copying and pasting their own posts do not obey that ruleQuote
12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).
Great explanation for all newbies and members who still don't know all the rules and regulations.
I see some users doing copy paste their own comments and that it is also considered plagiarism.
I see some users doing copy paste their own comments and that it is also considered plagiarism.
As I observed, it seems less new ban appeals during last few weeks, but just in case you have intention to use Ctrl C a& Ctrl V, please do remember to leave sources.
Quote should be use if you want to use others ideas published previously in the forum.
Don't plagiarise (copy & pasting, ignoring sources), and be safe!
For more details, please read more in OP.
Quote should be use if you want to use others ideas published previously in the forum.
Don't plagiarise (copy & pasting, ignoring sources), and be safe!
For more details, please read more in OP.
I really don't understand why people still violate this forum rule called Plagiarism which means you will post or use someone else's post, topic, explanation or anything that is not yours but to make it as your own work without giving the credits to the owner. There is only one rule for all of those who don't want to lose earth.
Three major reasons:- Lazy: account farms' owners don't have time to compose their own posts, especially hundred posts per day.
- Don't have good English skills: They hardly to compose posts with good English, theirs are mostly English-broken, so copy & paste looks like their best choices.
- Don't read forum rules: most of newbies don't read forum rules, then they don't know plagiarism results in permanent bans.
I really don't understand why people still violate this forum rule called Plagiarism which means you will post or use someone else's post, topic, explanation or anything that is not yours but to make it as your own work without giving the credits to the owner. There is only one rule for all of those who don't want to lose earth.
Less users permanently banned recent weeks, than what we saw in May, but it does not mean that anyone will be safe if they plagiarise.
Therefore, please read my OP to understand better about plagiarism, related rules on plagiarism and forum punishments, and how to avoid plagiarism.
Please read while enjoy the gradualy rise of bitcoin.
Therefore, please read my OP to understand better about plagiarism, related rules on plagiarism and forum punishments, and how to avoid plagiarism.
Please read while enjoy the gradualy rise of bitcoin.
There is a discussion on potential issues that might result in personal assasination by copying post of users you hate, and edit your past post with the same content with intention to make original post look like a plagiarism. However, as far as I know, it is likely not a real issue because plagiarism reports will be manually check by mods, global mods or admins before using their ban-hammers. <…>
I recall a case (see vulnerability of the forum. slander in plagiarism) where a user from the Russian local board was framed for plagiarism (using both posts on Bitcointalk and on an external blog). @Theymos looked into matters and concluded that the person was indeed framed and reverted the ban. There’s another case of a currently banned for plagiarism users who does not really seem like plagiarism should be applied due to the context exposed in the thread (he posted the same content as another user, but both were campaign thread comunication managers, and both seemed to have reposted official information that they relayed on their respective threads in their role of communication managers (see BAN APPEAL: looking for a solution).
Those cases are rather exceptional though, as the vast majority of ban appeals result in people playing dumb, or that they had committed plagiarism some time ago (even years ago) and has completely forgotten about it.
There is a discussion on potential issues that might result in personal assasination by copying post of users you hate, and edit your past post with the same content with intention to make original post look like a plagiarism. However, as far as I know, it is likely not a real issue because plagiarism reports will be manually check by mods, global mods or admins before using their ban-hammers.
there is an issue which i brought up and was brought again today
there is an issue which i brought up and was brought again today
To help readers better imagine how terrible plagiarism's consequences are, especially with a power plagiabot, I share the topic for you all.
A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed?. The banwave originated from that unknown plagiabot. Since the banwave (likely started on 10th of May 2019), there are 4238 users (above Newbie rank), in total, got permanent bans
A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed?. The banwave originated from that unknown plagiabot. Since the banwave (likely started on 10th of May 2019), there are 4238 users (above Newbie rank), in total, got permanent bans
It is I hope that soon theymos will add this topic's link into Welcome message for new registered accounts.
Welcome message, that is only a draft for now.
Welcome message, that is only a draft for now.
The most New users that join the forum i guess dont know about things like copy and paste and Realy dont care as long they dosnt readed the rules.
It is good when official version launched and attached to Welcome message, but basically it is not a responsibility of admin to do this, users have to read rules themselves, for their interests. Most of plagiarisms made by spammers, but I don't deny fact that there are real users whom plagiarised because don't read forum rules before the days they got perm-bans. Anyway there are few simple things that can be done to get the users an Info before they hit the Post Button, but thats on theymos if he want to implement this things.
But reminding users or just show them everytime when they start a reply or creating a new thread will get a few or some users maybe to check there things what they Post or at least the insert the source link for. I know that there are some users they dont care about that and they just Post some kind of things or create topics and expect some merits or would just keep a thread on top of the others. The most users on the forum know what rules are here (hopefuly they do). Anyway there are few simple things that can be done to get the users an Info before they hit the Post Button, but thats on theymos if he want to implement this things.
Maybe it would help for New users that we get or have some colored Text "copy and paste is not allowed" near the Post and preview Button when you make an reply or an topic. Dont know if this was already posted here and if so, im sry. But something like that would helping for some users and nobody can say they havnt know that. That is just an Suggestion and idea! And should be easy to implemented in the System.
This would be really helpful and possible as BCT has done it with our pms regarding newbies and a warning through the trust system. If this reminder is done then I think the plagiarizers who are doing plagiarism purposely will only be left and there is really no hard decision on lifting their permabans by that time. Nevertheless I still think the topic about plagiarism should be explained more further rather than just reminding members that copying and pasting post isn't allowed, this will make make it more effective IMO.
The most New users that join the forum i guess dont know about things like copy and paste and Realy dont care as long they dosnt readed the rules. A lot of Accounts that was buyed from others dont look also in there Post history for some kind of things like copy and paste and all. Maybe it would help for New users that we get or have some colored Text "copy and paste is not allowed" near the Post and preview Button when you make an reply or an topic. Dont know if this was already posted here and if so, im sry. But something like that would helping for some users and nobody can say they havnt know that. That is just an Suggestion and idea! And should be easy to implemented in the System.
If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:
- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
Thank you for your help, DdmrDdmr. I will add it into OP. The exact day on which rule on plagiarism introduced might be confirmed later by mods when they see the topic.- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
Plagiarism before 2016 does not mean that users won't get bans; but somehow it is a reduced factors for them. However, there are other factors around result in final punishments for each user.
You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years. You can get it or not, depends on your past activities (things presented below are not mine, I describe perspectives of global mods that I read during the banwave in many appeals). There are some factors:
- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
~snip~
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
~snip~
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
Reserve for the history of rule on plagiarism. I will search it, but if anyone see the post, and know this information, please give me a hand. <…>
I’m not sure exactly what you mean by the history of the rule of plagiarism. If you mean the moment it was introduced, then I took a look at it not long ago as I posted here:<...>
I had the curiosity at some point last year as to how far back in people’s history did the rules apply (see A couple of quick questions related to forum rules). The answer was that there is no delimited timeframe for rules to apply.
If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:
- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
Rule seems to be retroactive, since people with reported plagiarism prior to May/June 2016 have been banned for it. Since there is no legal status for these rules, I guess no one is going to challenge a ban based upon the above apparent date of introduction. I had the curiosity at some point last year as to how far back in people’s history did the rules apply (see A couple of quick questions related to forum rules). The answer was that there is no delimited timeframe for rules to apply.
If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:
- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
Reserve for the history of rule on plagiarism. I will search it, but if anyone see the post, and know this information, please give me a hand. I guess I read it from @iasenko's post. 
Reminder:
Since early of April 2019, a highly powerful plagiabot started to run and massively dig deeper in past posts to find plagiarisms. Please be careful anytime you use Control C & Control P on your devices. With plagiabot, it does not make sense to say "I am sorry, bot"
I have no idea how he spots them but he does a good job.
Reminder:
Since early of April 2019, a highly powerful plagiabot started to run and massively dig deeper in past posts to find plagiarisms. Please be careful anytime you use Control C & Control P on your devices. With plagiabot, it does not make sense to say "I am sorry, bot"
So someone created a working bot to detect them?
I have no idea how he spots them but he does a good job.
Readers of the topic can check the following topic to see how serious consequences of plagiarism.
✅[BAN APPEAL] Total list + Unban process (Need feedback from Global mods). Most of ban appeals end with failures, and most of proofs shown with plagiarism.
Please remember don't copy and paste without source links.
Please remember don't steal other ideas for any kind of purposes.
Please remember that from now on, you won't have rights to say sorry if you plagiarise (because it is not same as years ago, when forum rule on plagiarism was not applied).
✅[BAN APPEAL] Total list + Unban process (Need feedback from Global mods). Most of ban appeals end with failures, and most of proofs shown with plagiarism.
Please remember don't copy and paste without source links.
Please remember don't steal other ideas for any kind of purposes.
Please remember that from now on, you won't have rights to say sorry if you plagiarise (because it is not same as years ago, when forum rule on plagiarism was not applied).
People are not aware of just how far back a check for plagiarism can go. Answer: currently, all your posting history, from whatever time in the past.
That means that plagiarism on any single historical post can spin back at any point and be reported, leading to a likely ban (normally permanent, exceptionally temporal plus over a year of signature ban). Lately, there seem to be semi-automated systems around that scout people’s history on the forum to search for plagiarism. As a result, there has been an increase in the number of banned accounts. Banned accounts belong to all sorts of ranks, some of them even being stakeholders of a certain reputation on the forum.
See for example:
http://Topic: A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed?.
Total list + Unban progress]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0 .
Note that unban possibilities for plagiarism are rather remote (and rather new), and are related to accounts that are considered net positive for the forum (past posting contributions) and have no recurrent plagiarism habits.
That means that plagiarism on any single historical post can spin back at any point and be reported, leading to a likely ban (normally permanent, exceptionally temporal plus over a year of signature ban). Lately, there seem to be semi-automated systems around that scout people’s history on the forum to search for plagiarism. As a result, there has been an increase in the number of banned accounts. Banned accounts belong to all sorts of ranks, some of them even being stakeholders of a certain reputation on the forum.
See for example:
http://Topic: A wave of bans: 400 yesterday, 300 the day before. What changed?.
Total list + Unban progress]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0 .
Note that unban possibilities for plagiarism are rather remote (and rather new), and are related to accounts that are considered net positive for the forum (past posting contributions) and have no recurrent plagiarism habits.
Update on unbanned users (from latest permanent banned users). OP already updated. Users can learn from those unbanned users from their past contributions before got perma-banned and why they did get temporary ban + signature ban (usually one or two years).
1.lovesmayfamilis
2.hacker1001101001
3.shasan
4.cellard
5.thejaytiesto
6.zazarb
1.lovesmayfamilis
2.hacker1001101001
3.shasan
4.cellard
5.thejaytiesto
6.zazarb
Some newest collected posts relate to plagiarsiml, OP updated.
Global mods were given the ability to ban signatures only yesterday. Do you think we can get through all the appeals in one day? Be patient.
You can't plagiarise yourself. Copying the same post into another or multiple threads would at worst get you a temp ban if it was deemed spam.
Globals can now issue sig bans so it'll happen more often but isn't going to be a let off for everyone (so if half your posts are copy and pastes then forget about it but people who are getting banned for one or two posts from years ago will likely be shown some mercy).
Updated with things happen next after proof of plagiarism found by mods, or forum members. Mods can not be able to do perma-bans, only admin and global mods can do perma-bans; and perma-bans will be handled manually, carefully.
Someone whom translated my topic into your local languages, please update OP with this part:
Someone whom translated my topic into your local languages, please update OP with this part:
What's next after reports of plagiarsims?
Posts are reported to moderators who check out the report. If the poster needs to be banned, the moderator sends a ban report up to a global mod or admin. The global mod or admin handles all of the ban reports they get at around the same time. Either the admins or global mods don't need to check every account because they trust the moderators to have already done so, or they check quickly because every such report contains references and links to the plagiarism post and to the source text so checking takes little time.
1.1. Leaving the source link behind the content (definition of plagiarism, in this example)
"Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
Sometimes I see this type of quotation after a long content without "". In such a case readers cannot understand that it is a quoted content until they reach at the bottom of the content. Although one could still claim that s/he gave a credit and could avoid plagiarism, I recommend to make the quotation as clear as possible, by putting it at the beginning of the content or simply using the forum quote code as written in 1.2 and 1.3 in OP. "Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
I translated this thread into Filipino language
Sorry for late response. Thank you so much for your Filipinio Translation.By the way, today I updated the OP with another statement of theymos on plagiarsim, which I found for weeks because I don't remember where it is.
This statement explains why some Legendary users suddenly were permanent banned for their mistakes (plagiarisms) years ago.
- Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.
I translated this thread into Filipino language which you may find here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mga-tip-para-maiwasan-ang-plagiarism-5137268
I'm supporting this topic to make awareness in order to help people to avoid being banned in this forum.
I'm supporting this topic to make awareness in order to help people to avoid being banned in this forum.
I found this topic, and added as should-read documents in the OP. It's time to read and enjoy.
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it. (by DireWolfM14)
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it. (by DireWolfM14)
Today, I updated the OP with this part. Please feel free to correct me if I wrote something incorrect or you have additional things to contribute.
Plagiarism Classification
I will classify types of plagiarism into two main categories:
1. Unintentionally plagiarsim
It does not mean that people who plagiarise in any type of plagiarism listed here mean that they plagiarise unintentionally. It means they can not plagiarise, then use my topic, and the part of plagiarism classification in order to prove that they violate the rule on plagiarism unintentionally.
1.1. Copy & Paste without source link
1.2. Copye & Paste part of Whitepaper, Roadmap, Specifications, announcements from projects' documents, websites, other forums that totally managed by teams of projects without source link. This type is only for developer team, who post announcements on progresses of their projects in the forum, and sometimes they unintentionally plagiarise their own documents. In fact, they don't plagiarise based on theymos' opinion on plagiarsim, but when they get bans due to this, they have to prove their ownership of original documents and their roles in such projects. So, it's better to always leave source links, even you are developers, and owners of those documents.
1.3. Translating topics of others into your local languages without ask for permission
Personally, I think that it will be fine if translators translate topics of other members into whatever languages they want, with source link.
However, it will be better if they ask for permission of authors and actually get acceptance to translate. It is better for two reasons:
- In moral aspect: By asking for permission, they will show their respect to authors.
- In potential conflicts of interests: When such conflicts occurs, it takes time to solve, and I don't think anyone of us want to face with such problems, especially we start with good purposes.
2. Intentionally plagiarism
2.1. Fake Paraphrasing
It is a lowest level of plagiarism when people usually change just a few words from original texts/ posts.
2.2. Text Spinning
They intentionally use posts of others, and over paraphrase them using softwares.
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
2.3. Translation Abusement
They intentionally use posts or part of posts of other members, such as from English, then using Google Translate in order to automatically translate those texts into local language, such as Russian or any local language they want; and vice versa.
New sort of plagiarism
I will classify types of plagiarism into two main categories:
1. Unintentionally plagiarsim
It does not mean that people who plagiarise in any type of plagiarism listed here mean that they plagiarise unintentionally. It means they can not plagiarise, then use my topic, and the part of plagiarism classification in order to prove that they violate the rule on plagiarism unintentionally.
1.1. Copy & Paste without source link
1.2. Copye & Paste part of Whitepaper, Roadmap, Specifications, announcements from projects' documents, websites, other forums that totally managed by teams of projects without source link. This type is only for developer team, who post announcements on progresses of their projects in the forum, and sometimes they unintentionally plagiarise their own documents. In fact, they don't plagiarise based on theymos' opinion on plagiarsim, but when they get bans due to this, they have to prove their ownership of original documents and their roles in such projects. So, it's better to always leave source links, even you are developers, and owners of those documents.
1.3. Translating topics of others into your local languages without ask for permission
Personally, I think that it will be fine if translators translate topics of other members into whatever languages they want, with source link.
However, it will be better if they ask for permission of authors and actually get acceptance to translate. It is better for two reasons:
- In moral aspect: By asking for permission, they will show their respect to authors.
- In potential conflicts of interests: When such conflicts occurs, it takes time to solve, and I don't think anyone of us want to face with such problems, especially we start with good purposes.
2. Intentionally plagiarism
2.1. Fake Paraphrasing
It is a lowest level of plagiarism when people usually change just a few words from original texts/ posts.
2.2. Text Spinning
They intentionally use posts of others, and over paraphrase them using softwares.
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
2.3. Translation Abusement
They intentionally use posts or part of posts of other members, such as from English, then using Google Translate in order to automatically translate those texts into local language, such as Russian or any local language they want; and vice versa.
New sort of plagiarism
Plagiarism is one of the worst things in real world
You have serious problems if you think that plagiarism is one of the worst things around. What about rape? murder? fraud?
OP says one of the worst things. Plagiarism can give the tag of academic dishonesty and sometime copyright violations comes with hefty plenty.
Out of three you mentioned, I did not know if first 2 are committed online and plagiarism is equivalent to fraud only.
I found it, noted it here, and will edit OP later.
New sort of plagiarism
New sort of plagiarism
~snip~
Users plagiarised by copying posts of other in English, for example, then using Google Translator to translate it into their local language, and posted translated one as their own contents. They even don't paraphrase.
I don't remember where I read it.
This is more prevalent for fake bounty translators, I call them "fake" because they really don't know the local language they are translating it to and they use Google translate to do an awful job for them. However for users using GTranslate to post it in a plagiarized English text for their post is not a common thing to do since the translation is pretty bad plagiarizers doing it often gets caught since it is pretty obvious and can esily be spotted from the post itself. Users plagiarised by copying posts of other in English, for example, then using Google Translator to translate it into their local language, and posted translated one as their own contents. They even don't paraphrase.
I don't remember where I read it.
I just glance at it, and might spend more time to look at the given topic tomorrow. However, you reminded me that long time ago I read that there is another kind of plagiarism. Users plagiarised by copying posts of other in English, for example, then using Google Translator to translate it into their local language, and posted translated one as their own contents. They even don't paraphrase.
I don't remember where I read it.
I don't remember where I read it.
@tbct_mt2 overall I think your guide/tip has covered most of the aspects on plagiarism in the forum however I think you have missed the growing kind of plagiarism here in the forum and that is paraphrasing or rephasing the stolen content or what they sometimes call text spinning. This has been more popular here in the forum since the merit system was introduced and the thought that they could get away with it, some spin the texts on their own while others use a rephrasing tool found online. Newbies need to know that text spinning is still plagiarism and it's not counted on creating your own original post.
I did not say that plagiarism is the worst, I said one of the worst. What's wrong?
Some people have a lot of bigger life problems then plagiarism, so they react on part of your post where you say "Plagiarism is one of the worst things in real world". On the other hand this is very big problem in this forum, some users do not understand that copy / pasting other people posts or some article without posting source results in a ban of the account. I think I've seen the thread where someone ask about plagiarism in relation with different cultures. Although generally speaking stealing other people's work is a bad thing, in some countries plagiarism is not high on the scale of bad social forms of behavior.
Such threads can surely help that some users comprehend what is plagiarism, and that such a way of posting results in banishing of the users accounts.
I did not say that plagiarism is the worst, I said one of the worst. What's wrong?
You have serious problems if you think that plagiarism is one of the worst things around. What about rape? murder? fraud?
The matter is, people tend to plagiarise to hit their post quota, due to their laziness hinders them to spend a couple of mins to brainstorm and express their ideas. Simply opening a website, clicking on one artcile, copying part of the article, and pasting that article's paragraph here. They finish their works, less than a minute. And, most of members whom plagiarise don't care about their contents they posted, of course they don't care about any contributions to the forum, instead of stealing free money.Quote
Yes it is bad, even more so if it is done to pass skill tests, but if you are talking about content theft and reposting online is relatively minor. One of the best parts of the internet is sharing information and growing knowledge, frankly it doesn't matter in lots of situations whether a source is quoted or not.
...Sometimes one could just make a mistake that could cost one's account just because they did not properly quote and proofread what they had just replied...
...quote his/her post, and then probably by mistake I misquote it, leaving some of his original text outside the quotes and making it look like mine and without proofreading I post the text thinking that everything is OK...
As you can see if someone sees my post, they could clearly think I did a copy and paste especially if our comments are from different posts or on different pages and this can easily earn me a permanent ban of which it is almost impossible to over turn.
...quote his/her post, and then probably by mistake I misquote it, leaving some of his original text outside the quotes and making it look like mine and without proofreading I post the text thinking that everything is OK...
As you can see if someone sees my post, they could clearly think I did a copy and paste especially if our comments are from different posts or on different pages and this can easily earn me a permanent ban of which it is almost impossible to over turn.
I was not banned but red trusted for exactly such a mistake as described above. It was called PLAGIARISM in my trust comments.
I was not experienced enough at this time and maybe a little too lazy because I left the quote as it was after six failed attempts to do it right.
Every time I published my post something was wrong with the quote. I was already Senior Member back then but my skills were at Newbie level at best.
Tried to quote 2 different posts at the same time in different places of my post.
When I think about it now is just hard to believe that somebody can struggle with such a simple task but if you don't write much this is possible as my story shows and there are for sure many people with very low skills when it goes to proper writing, quoting, using tables or even bolds.
Despite I added in my post usernames of these quoted members and their posts were above mine in the thread, I was mistrusted and red painted for plagiarism.
I repeated multiple times my story in my accusation thread and nobody believed me, nobody answered my PM's from these members who red painted me.
What is even better more red paint hit my account after I started my reputation thread in meta.
During the "investigation" I was accused that I have added usernames later to my post. Can you believe that?
I was red trusted for almost 6 months. Had my reputation thread running in the Meta section with explanation and evidence provided but nobody wanted to help me.
Finally, one established member visited my thread and believed my story (backed up with evidence for which he asked) and after some time red paint was gone.
Luckily, because if there will be permaban, like now, I wouldn't be Hero Member and I was just promoted yesterday
.I don't want to scrap old wounds, but mistakes can happen and if one has bad luck can be permabanned. That is why there should be an option to ask for reconsideration or double check by very trusted members in such cases.
Plagiarism is one of the worst things in real world
You have serious problems if you think that plagiarism is one of the worst things around. What about rape? murder? fraud?
Yes it is bad, even more so if it is done to pass skill tests, but if you are talking about content theft and reposting online is relatively minor. One of the best parts of the internet is sharing information and growing knowledge, frankly it doesn't matter in lots of situations whether a source is quoted or not.
There are so many posts, articles, essays on the web that a lot of times you will get a false positive when it happened by coincidence. Sounds like I'm protecting plagiarizers but unless the post is decently long with a high percentage match its harsh to throw down the ban hammer.
In the discussions where posts had only few sentences and to which the thread started has lead to which users will going to answer unanimously will be tagged as possible plagiarism? SMT has a lot of replies and one could not just read them all to make a reply in a distinct manner from the other users?
This is really hard to prove that a certain idea is being plagiarized because we are not talking about an article that is being published. We are just talking about a post that has 2 or more sentences.
It may be clear plagiarism if all the context are being copied and paste and even with small alteration could do but when we have both the same ideas and posted in a the same thread then that is not considered as plagiarism. It is different like what other guys had told that an idea being copied is already a plagiarism.
Let us clear first what is plagiarism and how in this forum could avoid plagiarism. And thanks to this thread this is very helpful.
This is really hard to prove that a certain idea is being plagiarized because we are not talking about an article that is being published. We are just talking about a post that has 2 or more sentences.
It may be clear plagiarism if all the context are being copied and paste and even with small alteration could do but when we have both the same ideas and posted in a the same thread then that is not considered as plagiarism. It is different like what other guys had told that an idea being copied is already a plagiarism.
Let us clear first what is plagiarism and how in this forum could avoid plagiarism. And thanks to this thread this is very helpful.
The most likely mistake people make and get themselves guilty of plagiarism is differentiating between sourcing and plagiarism(copy and paste)
It's not wrong to do research on other content to get a direction on a particular subject (sourcing)
But the problem comes when you where not able to apply the knowledge and create a whole new content of your own then you would surly be guilty of plagiarism
It's not wrong to do research on other content to get a direction on a particular subject (sourcing)
But the problem comes when you where not able to apply the knowledge and create a whole new content of your own then you would surly be guilty of plagiarism
I easily check plagiarism and grammar I think to work it easy, some time plagiarism and grammar.
Plagiarism and Grammar cheker: https://searchenginereports.net/
you can check 2-way plagiarism or grammar:
And click check processing with some time you the result.
Image below:
Thanks.
Plagiarism and Grammar cheker: https://searchenginereports.net/
you can check 2-way plagiarism or grammar:
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1. Copy text and paste this text box.
2. Upload a file to be checked: (.txt or .docx)
2. Upload a file to be checked: (.txt or .docx)
And click check processing with some time you the result.
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Thanks.
Permanent ban for them.
What are the odds that someone could be posting something plagiarized if it's coming from one's head???
They are tools to help, and they are not perfect ones. Nevertheless, you should know that even paraphrasing does not accept here. You can change some words from original documents, but you will be tagged as plagiarisim as well.Quote
TBH these checkers could only be used plagiarist if one is trying to beat the plagiarism checkers possibly after word spinning! JUST MY HONEST OPINION
And to be doubly sure that you are posting original content or if you aren't sure about whether your post would constitute plagiarism, it helps to run them through plagiarism checkers (free):
1. Grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker)
2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
What are the odds that someone could be posting something plagiarized if it's coming from one's head???1. Grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker)
2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
TBH these checkers could only be used plagiarist if one is trying to beat the plagiarism checkers possibly after word spinning! JUST MY HONEST OPINION
At my first sight on the forum was a Legendary Member account found with plagiarize content and the account owner explained that he was never involved in content plagiarism over the years, but nobody seem to understand what that means because the account was found of such forbidden contents.
Can it happen that one wrote a content with his or her wordings and then turn to be plagiarize content, even after proof reading?. This are things that i often find on meta sections when reading through posts/replies by forum members. This instance still seem to me freak because careful looking at these content, nothing misspell or careless on the part of the poster by omitting close quote[/quote] from OP or reply post.
Proofread before before post is the answer to avoid Plagiarism either in small quantity or in large quantity because have read many complains of say "just one line plagiarism cost my account ban". Thanks for this unavoidable guide for us(Both the higher Ranked and the Lower Ranked).
Can it happen that one wrote a content with his or her wordings and then turn to be plagiarize content, even after proof reading?. This are things that i often find on meta sections when reading through posts/replies by forum members. This instance still seem to me freak because careful looking at these content, nothing misspell or careless on the part of the poster by omitting close quote[/quote] from OP or reply post.
Proofread before before post is the answer to avoid Plagiarism either in small quantity or in large quantity because have read many complains of say "just one line plagiarism cost my account ban". Thanks for this unavoidable guide for us(Both the higher Ranked and the Lower Ranked).
You are right, that sometime we makes mistakes, due to lazy, or due to don't clearly understand about all forum rules, and violate rules unintentionally. However, rules are rules, and violations are violations. Intentionally or unintentionally, we actually violate rules and punishments are unavoidable.
So, I think that my topic makes lots of sense for all forum users, who don't know about rule on plagiarism and related perm-bans.
People might misunderstand it, think it as plagiarism, but in fact it is truly a plagiarism. You can not deny that, mate.
Furthermore, things will become worst if someone who can use Machine Learning or something like this to find plagiarism automatically, all kinds of posts like yours will be marked as plagiarsim. Then, what's next if they report them to moderators? Definitely, perm-ban drops, rather than airdrops or raindrops.
So, I think that my topic makes lots of sense for all forum users, who don't know about rule on plagiarism and related perm-bans.
People might misunderstand it, think it as plagiarism, but in fact it is truly a plagiarism. You can not deny that, mate.
Furthermore, things will become worst if someone who can use Machine Learning or something like this to find plagiarism automatically, all kinds of posts like yours will be marked as plagiarsim. Then, what's next if they report them to moderators? Definitely, perm-ban drops, rather than airdrops or raindrops.
As you can see if someone sees my post, they could clearly think I did a copy and paste especially if our comments are from different posts or on different pages and this can easily earn me a permanent ban of which it is almost impossible to over turn.
Proper use of Forum Quote code and Proof reading what you are about to post is also very important especially if you quoted someone.
Sometimes one could just make a mistake that could cost one's account just because they did not properly quote and proofread what they had just replied.
Let me use @whotookmycrypto's post as a replying example.
I could try to quote his/her post, and then probably by mistake I misquote it, leaving some of his original text outside the quotes and making it look like mine and without proofreading I post the text thinking that everything is OK.
2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
As you can see if someone sees my post, they could clearly think I did a copy and paste especially if our comments are from different posts or on different pages and this can easily earn me a permanent ban of which it is almost impossible to over turn.
Sometimes one could just make a mistake that could cost one's account just because they did not properly quote and proofread what they had just replied.
Let me use @whotookmycrypto's post as a replying example.
I could try to quote his/her post, and then probably by mistake I misquote it, leaving some of his original text outside the quotes and making it look like mine and without proofreading I post the text thinking that everything is OK.
And to be doubly sure that you are posting original content or if you aren't sure about whether your post would constitute plagiarism, it helps to run them through plagiarism checkers (free):
1. Grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker)2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
As you can see if someone sees my post, they could clearly think I did a copy and paste especially if our comments are from different posts or on different pages and this can easily earn me a permanent ban of which it is almost impossible to over turn.
And to be doubly sure that you are posting original content or if you aren't sure about whether your post would constitute plagiarism, it helps to run them through plagiarism checkers (free):
1. Grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker)
2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
1. Grammarly (https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker)
2. Small SEO tools (https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/)
They aren't 100% accurate so don't rely entirely on them. If you know you ripped something off, best to just quote the source rather than risk getting caught.
Another tool that is popular for checking plagiarism is called copyscape. However, it is a paid tool.
TIPS TO AVOID PLAGIARISM
Translations:
Filipino: [MGA TIP] para maiwasan ang plagiarism (by agentx44)(likely deleted)
Hi everyone,
Plagiarism is one of the worst things in real world, and in the forum, it is the thing that all forum members should avoid. It is not only because to maintain our moral values, but also to avoid strict punishments on plagiarism from forum rules. We should not steal other words/ documents to earn money, then simply saying "I am sorry" and think that everything will be fine!
There is the rule #33 of the forum, it states that:
If I recall correctly, my curiosity was aroused when I checked the forum rules to see when rule 33 had been written:
- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
- It was present at round November 2016 (rule number 33): https://web.archive.org/web/20161121133329/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
- But not in May 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160506061123/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657
Of course, these rules are basically a privately applied based guideline, and obviously can apply to whatever timeframe the Forum wishes, with disregard to the fact that the rule infringement may have been committed prior to the rule being stated.
The fact that the rule on plagiarism (for example) seems not to have been introduced until somewhere between May and November 2016 could be controversial with regards people being banned for plagiarism committed before that period. On the other hand, we could understand that all rules are fully retroactive and that’s it. I personally would prefer a 3 year timeframe or so, but that’s all it is, a personal preference.
Plagiarism, when found with proofs, by forum mods or by reports from forum members will result in permanent bans, definitely. The opportunity to get acceptance from admin or forum mods to lift perm-bans is extreme low. Such perm-ban users have to demonstrate a lot of things, their contributions to the forum, forum community, and their intention behind plagiarised posts (but in fact they have to prove not only plagiarised posts, but also through all their post history) to convince admin, or forum mods lift their bans. In a summary, there are less than five (I don't remember, but maybe not more than five users get such chances to lift their perm-bans).
Theymos' and staffs' statements:
In general, I'm all for being lenient. There are users who have been temp banned many times but still haven't been permabanned because their contributions outweigh their misbehavior. I actively disbelieve in the idea of a "rule of law" where hard rules exist and are strictly applied across the board as if we're all robots. Every case should be considered individually in the context of the forum's mission.
Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)
If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts.
Plagiarism is almost always a copyright violation which could conceivably get the poster in a lot of trouble, but it's not a bigger legal issue for the forum than anything else. (Using the forum to violate copyright is never allowed, though.)
That's not a particular concern of mine.
Only in the EUSSR.
Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)
If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts.
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in extreme cases could be copyright theft?
Plagiarism is almost always a copyright violation which could conceivably get the poster in a lot of trouble, but it's not a bigger legal issue for the forum than anything else. (Using the forum to violate copyright is never allowed, though.)
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when copying and pasting from the net can it lower google rankings? and internal copy and past could do the same thing?
That's not a particular concern of mine.
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even memes may soon constitute copyright theft
Only in the EUSSR.
- Plagiarism: If you copy some text from somewhere, then you should have a good reason for it, and you must link to the source. Doing otherwise is plagiarism. Changing a few words around doesn't matter. If we find that you plagiarized, then you absolutely will be permanently banned, even if we find it years after you did it.
You can't plagiarise yourself. Copying the same post into another or multiple threads would at worst get you a temp ban if it was deemed spam.
Posters who made multiple posts by copying and pasting their own posts do not obey that rulePosts are reported to moderators who check out the report. If the poster needs to be banned, the moderator sends a ban report up to a global mod or admin. The global mod or admin handles all of the ban reports they get at around the same time. Either the admins or global mods don't need to check every account because they trust the moderators to have already done so, or they check quickly because every such report contains references and links to the plagiarism post and to the source text so checking takes little time.
Second chance after get perm-banned:
Get ready for the grave jumpers:
You should not hope too much when your account get permanent ban.There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.
If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.
If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.
A few people have their bans removed for numerous reasons. It's not plagiarism if it's your own work and if you can prove that then the ban should be lifted in those cases.
There is a discussion topic on Alternatives to Permabans for plagiarism, but once again, you should be a very constructive user and have a good reputation over long history to have second chance.
Contributive factors on second chances of perma-banned users
You actually can take your second chance with temporary ban and signature ban for one or two years. You can get it or not, depends on your past activities (things presented below are not mine, I describe perspectives of global mods that I read during the banwave in many appeals). There are some factors:
- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
~snip~
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
Updates from perma-bans in May of 2019:- Total posts that you plagiarised.
- Percentage of plagiarised posts / your total posts (more than half - 50% - will wipe out your second chance, surely)
- Time points of your plagiarism (before or after the rule on plagiarism applied in the forum)
- Your past contributions.
~snip~
Everyone whom got permanent ban will feel happy with a reduced sentence for sure. However, whenever you are back from vacation, you can make the appeal better (that somehow increase your chance) by collecting and presenting posts or threads that you thought are most constructives from your past (before your ban day).
Global mods were given the ability to ban signatures only yesterday. Do you think we can get through all the appeals in one day? Be patient.
Globals can now issue sig bans so it'll happen more often but isn't going to be a let off for everyone (so if half your posts are copy and pastes then forget about it but people who are getting banned for one or two posts from years ago will likely be shown some mercy).
Therefore, avoid permanent bans by plagiarism is the utmost things that all forum members should know. It is valuable for all ranks of users.
There are some reasons that lead to plagiarism:
- Copying and pasting contents from other sources (outside the forum, such as articles, websites, etc.) without source links
- Copying and pasting contents inside posts/ topics of other forum members without quotes or source links
- Copying and pasting contents of projects' documents without source links [for developer team]
Solutions
Now, let's move to method to avoid plagiarism. I will sort it out in orders of three reasons mentioned above.
1. Copying and pasting contents from other sources (outside the forum, such as articles, websites, etc.) without source links
Solutions:
It is very easy, you simply have to copy and paste the source link of the article, website, or anything from which you censored part of their contents for your discussion.
I give you an example when I want to use a definition on plagiarism from Wikipedia, but you can apply the same for anything else from internet sources.
The definition is:
"Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"
Please note that if I simply leave the definition like this in my post, I plagiarise and then perm ban will come to me later (even years later). So, how to avoid this?
There are three ways:
1.1. Leaving the source link behind the content (definition of plagiarism, in this example)
"Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "stealing and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions" and the representation of them as one's own original work.[1][2]"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
1.2. Using quote block without exactly original source
Using this method when you don't remember exactly where is the source of the content you post, or you simple write it down from your memory but you doubt that you might plagiarise somehow.
OP forgot to describe that the 1.3 solution can be used when topics from which writers pick up a post were locked. Therefore, writers can not directly quote which posts they want to mention. This time, using author option is great alternative.
Long time ago, I did not how to quote such posts in locked topics.
Code:
[quote author=link to post inside locked topic]Copy & paste content of referenced post here[/quote]
2. Copying and pasting contents inside posts/ topics of other forum members without quotes or source links
To avoid this, you should use quote button to create quote block. There are some ways to quote a posts:
Official guide of forum:
You can also make the website name itself clickable using the following code:
Which gives this result:
Code:
[quote="[url=www.example.com]Website name[/url]"]Text[/quote]
Which gives this result:
Quote from: Website name
Text
3. Copying and pasting contents of projects' documents without source links [for developer team]
Methods to use are the same. However, please remember that even you are developers of the team, if you post your contents from whitepaper, websites, etc. to the forum topics, without sources, you plagiarise, and might get perm-bans.
So, please remember to apply those methods above if you don't want to see any kind of troubles, especially permanent ban, come to you later.
I give you a case of LOKI developer, whom opened ban-appeal days ago. I don't know the guy will get chance to see ban-life or not. Let's see.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lokiproject-account-ban-appeal-5132663
Some stories from users whom got perm-bans lift. If I missed any case, someone who know it, please leave missed case here, and I will add it to the list.
1. ChiBitCTy
Even perm-ban lifted, signature currently displays as "Banned from displaying signatures until March 09, 2020, 08:24:44 PM"
2. Limx Dev
3. redsn0w
Remember that it is usually too late for you to say "I am sorry/ I don't know/ Can I have a chance? or whatsoever" when your account get permanent ban.
Update on unbanned users (from latest permanent banned users). OP already updated:
1.lovesmayfamilis
2.hacker1001101001
3.shasan
4.cellard
5.thejaytiesto
6.zazarb
1.lovesmayfamilis
2.hacker1001101001
3.shasan
4.cellard
5.thejaytiesto
6.zazarb
Plagiarism Classification
I will classify types of plagiarism into two main categories:
1. Unintentionally plagiarsim
It does not mean that people who plagiarise in any type of plagiarism listed here mean that they plagiarise unintentionally. It means they can not plagiarise, then use my topic, and the part of plagiarism classification in order to prove that they violate the rule on plagiarism unintentionally.
1.1. Copy & Paste without source link
1.2. Copye & Paste part of Whitepaper, Roadmap, Specifications, announcements from projects' documents, websites, other forums that totally managed by teams of projects without source link. This type is only for developer team, who post announcements on progresses of their projects in the forum, and sometimes they unintentionally plagiarise their own documents. In fact, they don't plagiarise based on theymos' opinion on plagiarsim, but when they get bans due to this, they have to prove their ownership of original documents and their roles in such projects. So, it's better to always leave source links, even you are developers, and owners of those documents.
1.3. Translating topics of others into your local languages without ask for permission
Personally, I think that it will be fine if translators translate topics of other members into whatever languages they want, with source link.
However, it will be better if they ask for permission of authors and actually get acceptance to translate. It is better for two reasons:
- In moral aspect: By asking for permission, they will show their respect to authors.
- In potential conflicts of interests: When such conflicts occurs, it takes time to solve, and I don't think anyone of us want to face with such problems, especially we start with good purposes.
2. Intentionally plagiarism
2.1. Fake Paraphrasing
It is a lowest level of plagiarism when people usually change just a few words from original texts/ posts.
2.2. Text Spinning
They intentionally use posts of others, and over paraphrase them using softwares.
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
2.3. Translation Abusement
They intentionally use posts or part of posts of other members, such as from English, then using Google Translate in order to automatically translate those texts into local language, such as Russian or any local language they want; and vice versa.
New sort of plagiarism
Some tools:
1. Grammarly
2. Small SEO tools
Sources:
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (mprep)
Tips for newbies, who want to avoid over-quoting (tbct_mt2)
Some documents to edit the OP later (when I read them all, and have time to edit).
Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism
New sort of plagiarism
Text spinning/disguised plagiarism
Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism
is it plagiarism?
Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed
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