Well, I would also like to share my thoughts and my limited experience in this subject.
For the short time I've been in this forum, I've noticed that most Legendary members post quality content (not all of them and that's not a rule).
I believe in this case, because, for the user to have reached the highest ranking level here in this forum, he therefore needed to post several quality content and with that, he received several merits.
This does not mean that a Member or Full Member user cannot create quality content, I have seen several posts and topics created by these users that are of excellent quality.
The most of the time I like to send merits to new users, because this can encourage you to be more participative and share their experiences with other users, but I also send merits to others users (Hero, Sr, or Legendary for example) .
I'm not very rigid to send merits, if the user has posted some quality content, interesting, and that will help others users, I send merit.
In my humble opinion, the merit you receive is a consequence of the quality of your posts and the difference you can make to others users in this forum.
By the way, I almost forgot, in the portuguese local board (where I am more active), several members do many events to make our local board more interesting and relevant, and also to be able to send merits to other users.
• An event I organized in the portuguese local board was, "Raffle: Create a good topic on the Portuguese board and compete for the prize of 0.00085 BTC[/i]"
For the user to participate in this event, he would have to create a topic in our local board and receive at least 1 merit to be able to choose a slot.
The user @TryNinja and @alegotardo took responsibility to award the winner of the 2nd place and 3rd place.
Was a success, because we guide to move the local board with quality topics, several users gained merits and the 1st , 2nd and 3rd place managed to win Bitcoin as the main prize.
Raffle: Create a good topic on the portuguese board and compete for the prize of 0.00085 BTC - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sorteiocrie-um-bom-topico-na-aba-portuguesa-e-concorra-ao-premio-de-000085-btc-5348031
• Another relevant event we had on the local board was an event created by the user @cryptobaboon which consisted of a contest where the participant had to create some type of Bitcoin/cryptocurrency themed art.
It was a very fruitful and interesting event!
"1st Luso-Brazilian Bitcointalk Arts Contest (+AWARDS!)" - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/1-concurso-luso-brasileiro-de-artes-do-bitcointalk-premios-5238736
We also had several others events in the portuguese local board, wth the main goal to improve the quality of our board and move it more!
Topic: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits - page 14. (Read 39059 times)
As a regular guy on this forum, I care little about merit I will rather work to increase my knowledge and in due time the merit will start coming as rewards for proffering solutions on this forum. I always award merit to merit sources so that they can have more merit to splash on other members.
Merit is not just for ranking up but a means to encourage good works around the forum, so either newbie or legendary, we all need some encouragement at some point.
Merit is not just for ranking up but a means to encourage good works around the forum, so either newbie or legendary, we all need some encouragement at some point.
I gave this 3 merits it was good.
I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I prefer giving guys like you 3-6 merits.
Lower ranked.
Not new.
Well written quality posts.
In fact when I find a good post from someone that ticks the boxes above I often will read all their posts.
End up 🆙 giving 3 or 4 merits a few times.
I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I prefer giving guys like you 3-6 merits.
Lower ranked.
Not new.
Well written quality posts.
In fact when I find a good post from someone that ticks the boxes above I often will read all their posts.
End up 🆙 giving 3 or 4 merits a few times.
Below is a quote from a reputable legendary who also share same understanding with you.
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...don't give me merits in the future--save them for lower-ranked members who need them to rank up, especially those on any local board you might frequent.
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legendaries still deserve merits so they in turn can give them out. so i do merit legendaries but i try to only give 1 unless its really up there in info/quality.
so i do tend to give move merits to those who can use them to rank up.
disclosure: im a merit source so i try to spread them out. but when legendaries make 90+% of the good posts well..
I gave this 3 merits it was good.
I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I prefer giving guys like you 3-6 merits.
Lower ranked.
Not new.
Well written quality posts.
In fact when I find a good post from someone that ticks the boxes above I often will read all their posts.
End up 🆙 giving 3 or 4 merits a few times.
I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I prefer giving guys like you 3-6 merits.
Lower ranked.
Not new.
Well written quality posts.
In fact when I find a good post from someone that ticks the boxes above I often will read all their posts.
End up 🆙 giving 3 or 4 merits a few times.
Below is a quote from a reputable legendary who also share same understanding with you.
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...don't give me merits in the future--save them for lower-ranked members who need them to rank up, especially those on any local board you might frequent.
But I understand that on the long run, this understanding or decisions changes. This is a place where decisions are made and countered by self. I do not actually understand why. I am yet to figure out why some positive decisions are not sustainable in this forum. I take myself for instance, there are some good decisions I will like to implement in the forum, but they fail most times even on the conception stage (before implementation). That is not me in the real world. I am a fighter, I do not giveup on a course, I fight until there is no energy again to strike. But here, I easily give up, I am very fragile here. I am yet to discover why.
Only awareness will make them think about the importance of quality posts that will help them get promoted. I don't think we should force them to change if we don't see them notice it, please report the spam posts they made to the moderators and let them accept the consequences.
Is it possible to improve the image quality for the better, I can't read the thread title on this image you posted. Screenshot results are usually of poor quality in most cases I've experienced, is there another way you can share here?
Screenshot usually have low quality i know but I have just made the link accessible to image hosting site and you can click on them for preview or you can simply zoom the image to see threads on bitcoin board.It was just a normal screenshot of 1st page and 100th page which you can manually check if you want to.The main point was how discussion have been changed over time with deviation and devaluation in topic by members.Like few time back there were topics of taproot,btc challenges and other good news but now most of the topics are will prices go up? It will be dead? Should i wait to buy ? So just made a little comparison on that board.Hope you under my point. Most of the newbies joining this forum have been misguided and they tend to seek this forum as some sort of earning not as discussion forum.They know merit is the only way to rank up and get a place into signature campaign as most of the bounty hunters are doing this with as many alt account to join them.
Mate, every user "including newbies" can make their own way on this forum whether they care enough about the quality of posts or just want to make money. What this forum really hopes for are users who are willing to contribute and post and exchange ideas as constructively as possible with the quality of their knowledge. I've never had merit before when I didn't want to care about post quality, at least it has prevented the merit source from giving me merit. I think it will also be felt by most users who don't care about the quality of the posts and the ratings are not for them.Only awareness will make them think about the importance of quality posts that will help them get promoted. I don't think we should force them to change if we don't see them notice it, please report the spam posts they made to the moderators and let them accept the consequences.
See this is 1st page comparison and 100th page comparison of Bitcoin Discussion section and you could notice how the discussion have changed with time:
Is it possible to improve the image quality for the better, I can't read the thread title on this image you posted. Screenshot results are usually of poor quality in most cases I've experienced, is there another way you can share here?Code:
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Most of the newbies joining this forum have been misguided and they tend to seek this forum as some sort of earning not as discussion forum.They know merit is the only way to rank up and get a place into signature campaign as most of the bounty hunters are doing this with as many alt account to join them.But the problem arises for them when they want to rank up and not know how to gain merits.We are daily coming up with lot of threads like
-how to gain merits?
- how can we earn from this forum?
- thank giving threads to high rank members
-how to gain merits?
- how can we earn from this forum?
- thank giving threads to high rank members
This maybe happens, because certainly many are being invited by other users, through various social networks, with the idea of coming here to earn money. Claiming that the forum is an excellent way to make money "doing nothing". But, to really earn something in this forum, it takes work and dedication. It's not enough to get here, say half a dozen nonsense and that's it, you've already won.
Usually whoever enters only with this goal in mind, sooner or later, will end up giving up, because they will realize that it takes work to get far in the forum.
This space, since Bitcoin originated, has always been one of the best places for the Bitcoin community to share ideas and experiences, in order to increase knowledge and gains with this new technology. Campaigns and the like are just a bonus because of this dedication.
Well, I would agree with you if our forum was not intended to discuss bitcoin and related topics. But when you look into the history of messages of such a newbie, then for a moment you forget what kind of forum you are on, since almost all of his messages about merit, statistics and social injustice to newcomers
Most of the forum is intended for bitcoin discussion, but there are sections dedicated to other things (like Meta). There are plenty of newbies posting in Bitcoin Discussion, but their posts are generally written for the sake of whatever campaign or bounty they're in--and that's been discussed to death, so I'll end my statement there. I do agree that the ambitious newcomers who want to climb the ranks tend to post about merits and other non-bitcoin related stuff a lot, but usually I know the difference between an attempt to get merits and a genuinely good post.-how to gain merits?
- how can we earn from this forum?
- thank giving threads to high rank members
They all know that most of the signature campaign have merit requirements in past 120 days atleast 5 or more to join it and they all are desperate to join it and that's why we see this sort of threads.But if we talk about the bitcoin discussion section it is also being full of such posts with all the irrelevant discussion by members to complete the signature requirements and you would see the merit history and find not any received and still spamming up whole thread.
See this is 1st page comparison and 100th page comparison of Bitcoin Discussion section and you could notice how the discussion have changed with time:
I have been avoiding writing up in this section from some time although it was one of my favourite.With time i also gained knowledge and learning a lot still but we need to come up something quite good and make this forum a better or say best place to discuss bitcoin and crypto related stuff aside from earning point of view.
However, talking about merit, and particularly complaining about it is one of the tell tale signs for account farmers. I don't think many normal users would have much of a problem gaining merit over a period of time, only those with time restraints due to trying to rank up several accounts at once.
Gaining 8-10 merits from start is not a tough job for newbies as there are lot of threads created by members to help them and they can easily locate them and if they are able to do the task they will receive the merits.But as you said who are in rush to move a their accounts up in order to earn from all of them might end up losing up all and what's the fun of it i don't know.You are learning and gaining knowledge free of cost and you can also earn from signature campaign which is sufficient enough but still they engage in such things.Hope we see improvement in newbie involvement. 
Well, I would agree with you if our forum was not intended to discuss bitcoin and related topics. But when you look into the history of messages of such a newbie, then for a moment you forget what kind of forum you are on, since almost all of his messages about merit, statistics and social injustice to newcomers (not to mention the fact that such conversations begin with the first message). Yes, a couple of his thoughts may seem reasonable to you and me, but I suggest not to forget the reason why we are all here. Please note that I am not throwing a "stone in your garden" as I really appreciate your contribution to the mining section and much more, I just added my 2 cents. 
Users at this point usually join the forum to earn money, merit is preventing them from earning that money. It's only natural for them to talk about it a lot. Although, when it comes to social injustice to newbies as you put it; I can't say that is isn't warranted to bring that up as an issue. Undoubtedly, certain users can be hostile, and while I can't blame them I usually like to give the benefit of the doubt before passing judgement. However, talking about merit, and particularly complaining about it is one of the tell tale signs for account farmers. I don't think many normal users would have much of a problem gaining merit over a period of time, only those with time restraints due to trying to rank up several accounts at once.
Well, I would agree with you if our forum was not intended to discuss bitcoin and related topics. But when you look into the history of messages of such a newbie, then for a moment you forget what kind of forum you are on, since almost all of his messages about merit, statistics and social injustice to newcomers
Most of the forum is intended for bitcoin discussion, but there are sections dedicated to other things (like Meta). There are plenty of newbies posting in Bitcoin Discussion, but their posts are generally written for the sake of whatever campaign or bounty they're in--and that's been discussed to death, so I'll end my statement there. I do agree that the ambitious newcomers who want to climb the ranks tend to post about merits and other non-bitcoin related stuff a lot, but usually I know the difference between an attempt to get merits and a genuinely good post.I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I don't blame you, and I kind of have the same mindset--though lately I've been meriting a lot of Hero/Legendary members, since their posts are the ones that have stuck out from the rest of the dreck I've been reading. I do try to follow that "ranking up pipeline" thread, because I like helping out members who are close to their next rank--and it's a great way for me to hand out a lot of merits in a short period of time, since I'm basically doing post history reviews. 
[...]
Well, I would agree with you if our forum was not intended to discuss bitcoin and related topics. But when you look into the history of messages of such a newbie, then for a moment you forget what kind of forum you are on, since almost all of his messages about merit, statistics and social injustice to newcomers (not to mention the fact that such conversations begin with the first message). Yes, a couple of his thoughts may seem reasonable to you and me, but I suggest not to forget the reason why we are all here. Please note that I am not throwing a "stone in your garden" as I really appreciate your contribution to the mining section and much more, I just added my 2 cents. 
I think it could be argued that generally, legendaries are more likely to be posting better content, but without going through each post, that would likely be hard to accurately predict.
Apart from the fact that legendaries are more likely to be good content posters, let us consider this;
The merit sources who also are more of legendaries have been here for a long time. They have been meeting one another here for many years, apart from the content of the posts, they have falling inlove with the writing patterns of one another, their tones, how humorous, commanding or entertaining they will be. So, meriting such posts becomes a habit, most times without paying attention to the contents.
That is adaptation, a strong human character you cannot undermined. For the newbies or low ranking members to have such a share, they must last longer here and develop a unique writing style lovable by many.
Secondly, the law of reciprocation is indirectly playing out. Merit seems to flow to those who has the ability and enablement to reciprocate. A Merit source can easily give out 50merits to a legendary fellow, knowing too well that it is cyclical, re-genaratable and reciprocal.
Finally, I believe merit sources do not give higher merits to lower ranking members because they believe they may abuse the smerits they will have as a result of the given merits. It's somewhat showing that the merit system works in conjunction with the trust system. If you are trusted, you are trusted with merits too. Knowing too well you may not play the hide and seek game with your alt on merit issuance.
I am of the opinion that lower ranking member(s) who is able to produce a few quality posts, can be trusted and has a decent history of smerit allocation should benefit evenly because they are the future of bitcointalk.
Thank you!
I gave this 3 merits it was good.
I dont give high merits to legends as they most likely dont need them.
I prefer giving guys like you 3-6 merits.
Lower ranked.
Not new.
Well written quality posts.
In fact when I find a good post from someone that ticks the boxes above I often will read all their posts.
End up 🆙 giving 3 or 4 merits a few times.
Sir, your connection is wrong. These links all point to DdmrDdmr.
Thanks for pointing out it mate as by mistake i copied the same link for @DdmrDdmr instead of those persons stats.But now i have made the updations in my post for the correct link.I have not made an official list of all the newbies as there are many like them and you have pointed out them in your post which is also good.The main aim was to tell all that members making quality posts are getting merits from all so keep up that pace and be an effective member of the forum.
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Sir, your connection is wrong. These links all point to DdmrDdmr.Add another
kxwhalexk
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/WQD8J7T3H?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
Correct link
RainbowKun
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/JQ8PJ5NQW?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
Kaggie
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/T7X7PTYPQ?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
KingsDen
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/BHPWKHG4M?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
There are merit threads by merit sources all over Beginner and Help board to help newbies rank up. Getting 10 merits to rank up to member is not difficult. The merit system isn't designed to oppress newbies
The merit system was set up on the forum to discourage the spam posting and encourage members to write up the quality posts on the forum.We have some members registered 4-5 years back and are hero, senior,full or legendary with same merit allocation as it was airdropped to them with the introduction of merit system as they are not able to write up one quality post also till the time.It was also not set up to help newbies who have no knowledge of the crypto market to gain merits with whatever they write and that is why we have seen legendary or high rank members giving merit to each other.There is reason behind it because if you see the merit distribution you will notice that the post quality was not compromised at all and we can't say merit system was abused with this.When you will visit the merit history of members for sure you will see more merits to senior or high rank members than newbies because it's hard to find quality posts by some newbie members and senior members are making up the quality posts.So the merits are given to them who deserves them.
Here are some members who have gained merits within short span from merit sources and other members because of quality posts made by them on the forum:
RainbowKun
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/JQ8PJ5NQW?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
Kaggie
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/T7X7PTYPQ?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
KingsDen
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/BHPWKHG4M?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link
So you see if you are serving as an assest to the forum you will receive merit rewards from other members and making forum a best place to gain and share knowledge of bitcoin and crypto market is going to help it.So make best use of your knowledge and you will see results for the same.
But every job has specifications and/or KPI, which is the bases of the job. Everyone's approach should not deviate extensively from the job specifications.
No, there isn't any job description as far as being a merit source--it's just a bunch of members who've been selected by Theymos (based on his judgement) to distribute merits. There aren't even any rules, though sources have been removed for abusing the merit system. I don't know what KPI is.Oh, and since I think I stumbled upon some sort of account farming operation and cases of merit abuse related to that operation, I'm going to be very careful about which Newbie/Jr. Members I merit. Ratimov gave a lot of those members in that thread a good deal of merits, and while it's commendable that he's very generous, I think it's better to be careful when handing them out to new members.
Cases like the one I think I discovered (I'm still appealing to the community for help) by necessity involve newer accounts, and I've stumbled across them once or twice. So if you wonder why I'm reluctant to just throw merits at every Newbie that makes a coherent post, that's part of the reason.
In July 2021 total sent 26411 merits (in 13235 txns to 2037 users):
Although, I'm not one for taking into consideration the rank of the user I'm meriting or at least I try to be conscious about being non bias. I would like to see the distribution a little better than this personally. 50% of the merit circulation going to legendaries makes sense, however I do believe that might be because there's some bias creeping in. I feel like some users are less willing to reward newbies with high amounts, because there's not enough data available to determine whether they would be a contributing user in the long term. - 3% to Newbies: 810 merits (to 517 users)
- 4% to Jr. Members: 1068 merits (to 296 users)
- 9% to Members: 2479 merits (to 306 users)
- 8% to Full Members: 2010 merits (to 216 users)
- 11% to Sr. Members: 2808 merits (to 246 users)
- 15% to Hero Members: 4044 merits (to 246 users)
- 50% to Legendaries: 13192 merits (to 423 users)
This is probably backed up by the fact that 517 newbies received merit, and only 423 legendaries received merit, however the amount of merits was significantly larger when being sent to legendary accounts. I think it could be argued that generally, legendaries are more likely to be posting better content, but without going through each post, that would likely be hard to accurately predict.
Again, it's not a very strange thing to have ranked up members earn more merits than beginners. Some of this is due to the fact that, there are some replies that comes off these users experience that in one release, they could earn the highest merit in any instance in the forum but beginners responses are hardly accorded this sort of appreciation due to low quality replies.
Another thing is, the boards for which you do frequent. If you take a look at the technical discussions, a little technical reply, either as question or answer to a question it all that it takes to be merited based on the technicality of your response but, this is a board for experience for which, beginners don't participate so much.
Again, even beginners play the bias game. They come up with the notion that, ranked up members have got more merits and in giving ranked up members some merits, your most likely to have some back in some merit return response. This is really not up to you @beginners but, goodluck with that though.
Finally, I believe merit sources do not give higher merits to lower ranking members because they believe they may abuse the smerits they will have as a result of the given merits. It's somewhat showing that the merit system works in conjunction with the trust system. If you are trusted, you are trusted with merits too. Knowing too well you may not play the hide and seek game with your alt on merit issuance.
I am of the opinion that lower ranking member(s) who is able to produce a few quality posts, can be trusted and has a decent history of smerit allocation should benefit evenly because they are the future of bitcointalk.
Thank you!
There are merit threads by merit sources all over Beginner and Help board to help newbies rank up. Getting 10 merits to rank up to member is not difficult. The merit system isn't designed to oppress newbiesI am of the opinion that lower ranking member(s) who is able to produce a few quality posts, can be trusted and has a decent history of smerit allocation should benefit evenly because they are the future of bitcointalk.
Thank you!
[Merit] Hey Bitcoiners! Can You Send Encrypted Messages? By OgNasty
[Merit] Hey Newbies! Can You Sign A Message? By OgNasty
[Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank By Ratimov
My birthday merit treat to newbies and others who are about to rank up! By cheezcarls
Ratimov - 2 Years on Bitcointalk + Giveaway !!! By Ratimov
Kingsden, you created one yourself to help newbies
[NEWBIES] Earn your first Merit. By Kingsden
In the past two days, you are like a brown candy, just sticking to KingsDen's body. I think now KingsDen wants to get rid of you, but your attributes are not so easy to get rid of
Lols, I need him around me, he can stick the more. I enjoy his statistics. I appreciate him.
Will it interest you to know that @PastorNick has recieved 13merits so far, and 10 of them which contributes to more than 70% was gotten by mentioning @KingsDen and posting his data. So, it is fair to say that KingsDen has given a newbie a recognition needed to scale through.
As I always say "Every attack is a blessing in disguise".
It will therefore be good that no one should customise me to newbies, yes, I know in this forum I have a mission to groom newbies to the forum standard, where we will have a sane and ethical generation of newbies. I may not have the enablement to accomplish same now, but it is a task that must be done by me. Thanks all!
Yes, just like you said. Frequent gifting of merit source merit can easily be regarded as a favor and kickback.
But many merit source posts are really good (this is why they became merit sources), so it's not just to please, sometimes your posts are really worthwhile.
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