Topic: [TOP-200] The most generous users giving merits - page 15. (Read 39250 times)

The merit system was set up on the forum to discourage the spam posting and encourage members to write up the quality posts on the forum.We have some members registered 4-5 years back and are hero, senior,full or legendary with same merit allocation as it was airdropped to them with the introduction of merit system as they are not able to write up one quality post also till the time.It was also not set up to help newbies who have no knowledge of the crypto market to gain merits with whatever they write and that is why we have seen legendary or high rank members giving merit to each other.There is reason behind it because if you see the merit distribution you will notice that the post quality was not compromised at all and we can't say merit system was abused with this.

When you will visit the merit history of members for sure you will see more merits to senior or high rank members than newbies because it's hard to find quality posts by some newbie members and senior members are making up the quality posts.So the merits are given to them who deserves them.

Here are some members who have gained merits within short span from merit sources and other members because of quality posts made by them on the forum:

RainbowKun
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/JQ8PJ5NQW?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

Kaggie
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/T7X7PTYPQ?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

KingsDen
His stats- https://public.tableau.com/shared/BHPWKHG4M?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

So you see if you are serving as an assest to the forum you will receive merit rewards from other members and making forum a best place to gain and share knowledge of bitcoin and crypto market is going to help it.So make best use of your knowledge and you will see results for the same.

No, there isn't any job description as far as being a merit source--it's just a bunch of members who've been selected by Theymos (based on his judgement) to distribute merits.  There aren't even any rules, though sources have been removed for abusing the merit system.  I don't know what KPI is.

Oh, and since I think I stumbled upon some sort of account farming operation and cases of merit abuse related to that operation, I'm going to be very careful about which Newbie/Jr. Members I merit.  Ratimov gave a lot of those members in that thread a good deal of merits, and while it's commendable that he's very generous, I think it's better to be careful when handing them out to new members. 

Cases like the one I think I discovered (I'm still appealing to the community for help) by necessity involve newer accounts, and I've stumbled across them once or twice.  So if you wonder why I'm reluctant to just throw merits at every Newbie that makes a coherent post, that's part of the reason.

Sometimes the merit distribution system calls for unnecessary agitations over it. For sure there are those who effortlessly earns this and there  are those who don't. That doesn't mean some users are more preferred above others and even though it seems so, a look into there profile and post history is all that it would take to note why.

Again, it's not a very strange thing to have ranked up members earn more merits than beginners. Some of this is due to the fact that, there are some replies that comes off these users experience that in one release, they could earn the highest merit in any instance in the forum but beginners responses are hardly accorded this sort of appreciation due to low quality replies.

Another thing is, the boards for which you do frequent. If you take a look at the technical discussions, a little technical reply, either as question or answer to a question it all that it takes to be merited based on the technicality of your response but, this is a board for experience for which, beginners don't participate so much.

Again, even beginners play the bias game. They come up with the notion that, ranked up members have got more merits and in giving ranked up members some merits, your most likely to have some back in some merit return response. This is really not up to you @beginners but, goodluck with that though.

There are merit threads by merit sources all over Beginner and Help board to help newbies rank up. Getting 10 merits to rank up to member is not difficult. The merit system isn't designed to oppress newbies

[Merit] Hey Bitcoiners! Can You Send Encrypted Messages? By OgNasty

[Merit] Hey Newbies! Can You Sign A Message? By OgNasty

[Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank By Ratimov

My birthday merit treat to newbies and others who are about to rank up! By cheezcarls
Ratimov - 2 Years on Bitcointalk + Giveaway !!! By Ratimov
Kingsden, you created one yourself to help newbies
[NEWBIES] Earn your first Merit. By Kingsden

Lols, I need him around me, he can stick the more. I enjoy his statistics. I appreciate him.
Will it interest you to know that @PastorNick has recieved 13merits so far, and 10 of them which contributes to more than 70% was gotten by mentioning @KingsDen and posting his data. So, it is fair to say that KingsDen has given a newbie a recognition needed to scale through.
As I always say "Every attack is a blessing in disguise".
It will therefore be good that no one should customise me to newbies, yes, I know in this forum I have a mission to groom newbies to the forum standard, where we will have a sane and ethical generation of newbies. I may not have the enablement to accomplish same now, but it is a task that must be done by me. Thanks all!

You summed it up very well The Pharmacist, I originally planned to edit your words into my post, but I realized that it was a bit redundant after I finished editing. I regard my post as topic

Yes, just like you said. Frequent gifting of merit source merit can easily be regarded as a favor and kickback.

But many merit source posts are really good (this is why they became merit sources), so it's not just to please, sometimes your posts are really worthwhile.

PastorNick I think if you have a girlfriend, she will definitely lose to you in some ways, such as quarrels,
Your thoughts are clear, well-founded, and you use very accurate words, which makes it awkward for partners who engage in fake actions.
In the past two days, you are like a brown candy, just sticking to KingsDen's body. I think now KingsDen wants to get rid of you, but your attributes are not so easy to get rid of.

But I agree with you very much, communicate sincerely, send posts with real content, and be a real person.

Well said, all of it.  I would also like to add that Newbies and other lower-ranked members shouldn't think that giving merit to merit sources or Legendary members is going to increase their own chances of receiving merits. 

Personally, I don't want anyone I've helped out with merits to merit me back, because 1) It doesn't look good, and people could see it as some sort of kickback (which I've never engaged in), and 2) I don't need merits to rank up or sMerits to give out (usually; sometimes I run low, but not lately). 

If I see a Newbie/Jr. Member who's giving all of his merits to merit sources, it makes me just a wee bit suspicious that they're trying to curry favour, and that could be the case in some instances, or it could genuinely be that they think they're meriting the best posts.  But either way, IMO merits should be "paid forward" to other lower-ranked members who make good posts.  Merits serve as a 'like' on this forum, but everyone knows that they also serve a more important function, and that is to facilitate the ranking up process.

Maybe you can start with yourself instead of blaming the source of merit.

What you really care about is not how many merits the legend gives to newbies, what you care most is how many merits the legend gives you.

Legendary	54	78.26%
HeroMember	5	7.25%
Sr.Member	5	7.25%
FullMember	1	1.45%
Member	1	1.45%
Jr.Member	2	2.90%
Newbie	1	1.45%

Let us analyze your data：

• You have sent a total of 97 merits, of which only 1 went to Newbie (me).Account for 1.45% of your total number of merits.
• Corresponding to this is that you sent a legend to 54 merits, Accounting for 78.26% of your total number of merits.

You even posted this post before:[NEWBIES] Earn your first Merit..But obviously this is a show, except for a merit you gave me, you haven’t given a merit to any new’bie before.

I am now a little skeptical that you are posting just for merit. Please do not deliberately publish some content that merit source likes, do not perform, please be the real man！

They are indeed worthy of so many merits, but please follow your advice first: pay more attention to newcomers

 Data as of 8/20/2021

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Also thank DdmrDdmr for recommending his tableau data to me：

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Finally, please forget about merit and don't post for merit,KingsDen. Giving merit to newcomers can indeed inspire them. But it’s more important for me to thank the old members who patiently answered our questions. This is the biggest concern for the newcomers.

Thanks to those who have answered my questions @DdmrDdmr,@mocacinno,@NeuroticFish,@ETFbitcoin etc. whether you have given me merit or not (to be honest, I really don’t care about this)

Actually, it does not carry much weight and doesn't need much emphasis, however it's worthy to be noted. It actually boils down to individual differences and approaches to the forum.

Although the hero or legendary members who have been on the forum from a long time and tend to know each other will not give any merit to other if the post quality don't match the meriting criteria or is not of that quality.The writing patterns fan following is obviously there like @JJG is famous for his long and elaborated wall of text giving replies in depth and explaining the other members but you can't say he is writing something off-topic or dragging up the topic so if other legendary members merit that post it's fine and worth it.They might give some extra merits compared to newbie account but not on the verge of ignorance.

Sometimes merit sources help each other if they eun out of merits to allocate the same to other quality posts on the forum.We can't say they are abusing the system but in the end they are not going to hoard them but spend all of them as they will regenerate them next month.You can see most of the sources are ready to help new members also to rank them up only if they gave good out of their posts and contribute effectively.

Like many new members have got many merits for their posts like @Rainbowkun,@Kaggie and you yourself why? Because you all have contributed for the same.You will find many such members in local sub-boards also with 30-40 activity and more than 200 merits gained with account registration this year only.This is because they are getting merits from legendary and sources.

No doubt they are future of the forum but it needs to be tested that whether the future is in safe hands or not and that takes time to judge the writing style of newbies account and if they continue to the same and effective posting the rewards and rank up are on your way.

I have noticed the same thing that you help most of the members who are quality posters and contributing to the forum and left with little merits to rank up you help them by giving them required merits.Every member have his different approach of sending smerits and the main purpose is to merit the good posts in any way you can do.Your way of helping inspires lot.

Something seems wrong with your "love" theory, and also how much importance you are placing on the reciprocal nature theory.  I am not suggesting that neither of those exist, but you seem to be give quite a bit of weight to those ideas - that I consider a bit much..

Also, something about your theory of redistribution is off.  I do understand that members have mentioned redistribution as their motives, but I doubt that too many members give as many shits about redistribution as they are making out to be... either the post that is being merited (or the member) is good and deserving of merit or not.. I personally give not too many shits about whether they redistribute (even though again, redistribution is not a non-zero factor, but it just does not carry a lot of weight in my thinking about whether or not to send an smerit or perhaps a few smerits.

You have proven this, and your record is straight about this and I believe some other merit sources share in your ideology. I admit that the ability to notice a quality post is easy and everyone can do so, but the ability to define the future of a newbie or a lower ranking member needs a little of psychology, since there is not ample statistics (yardstick) to measure.


But every job has specifications and/or KPI, which is the bases of the job. Everyone's approach should not deviate extensively from the job specifications. This might be far from reality if it's an unmonitored work without pay. To the best of my knowledge, the merit system is working well, I am also a testimony, but my concern was when I saw data showing 50% merit allocation to Legendaries.

I assume you mean those lower-ranked members can be trusted with sMerits if they have a history of....something?  Even if that were true, most Newbie/Jr. Member/Member-ranked users haven't gotten a lot of merits to begin with, so they don't have a demonstrable history of using the merit system appropriately.

I'll admit I know which Hero & Legendary members tend to make quality posts, but I try not to merit them often, and if I do give them merits, it's usually a small number.  I do try to save merits for lower-ranked members, and I love it when I can help a deserving individual rank up.

But every merit source is different in their approach to the "job", and I'm not sure how much can be generalized about them as far as who they distribute merits to.  One thing I think is true is that there are a number of them who actively help members rank up.  The problem is--and always has been--that most Newbies and Jr. Members post complete crap.  There are exceptions of course, but if you're wondering why most members of those ranks aren't receiving tons of merits, that's the reason.

Apart from the fact that legendaries are more likely to be good content posters, let us consider this;
The merit sources who also are more of legendaries have been here for a long time. They have been meeting one another here for many years, apart from the content of the posts, they have falling inlove with the writing patterns of one another, their tones, how humorous, commanding or entertaining they will be. So, meriting such posts becomes a habit, most times without paying attention to the contents.

That is adaptation, a strong human character you cannot undermined. For the newbies or low ranking members to have such a share, they must last longer here and develop a unique writing style lovable by many.

Secondly, the law of reciprocation is indirectly playing out. Merit seems to flow to those who has the ability and enablement to reciprocate. A Merit source can easily give out 50merits to a legendary fellow, knowing too well that it is cyclical, re-genaratable and reciprocal.

Finally, I believe merit sources do not give higher merits to lower ranking members because they believe they may abuse the smerits they will have as a result of the given merits. It's somewhat showing that the merit system works in conjunction with the trust system. If you are trusted, you are trusted with merits too. Knowing too well you may not play the hide and seek game with your alt on merit issuance.

I am of the opinion that lower ranking member(s) who is able to produce a few quality posts, can be trusted and has a decent history of smerit allocation should benefit evenly because they are the future of bitcointalk.
Thank you!

Pmalek, I want to thank you in advance for the offer. But I really don't know which post are worth reporting to the merit source in the thread. Since this merit system exists, I have never felt any merit source unfairness towards me and I don't feel them ignore my post. While it's true that I haven't earned merit from all merit source, I realize that's not a fault as the system is inherently unmoderated and not all post I make are up to the standard they expect. Instead, you can also check out some of the thread I made or my old post if you have some spare time and I would really appreciate it.

For all the merit that I get now, it's purely the assessment of forum users whether they are the merit source or other merit users in my post. Never complained about the system even though I had difficulty on a different level compared to most of the other forum contributors in terms of merit earning.

No doubt, I don't think too many newbies receiving merit in the first place would complain about the amount that they received. However, I thought it was an interesting enough observation to comment on. My mind kind of wanders towards the fact users are wary of rewarding too much merit to new users, that might have a small sample size of posts, rather than any other reason.

What is clear about the new allocation of merit is there's a lot more merit circulating about, which is probably better from everyone's perspective. It remains to be seen though, that if the merit sources will be able to regularly spend 4 figure merits each period. I suspect there will be a drop off, due to the excitement for a lack of a better word this time around.

I would say that this is a double-edged sword, since ironically adequate beginners who have already figured out the intricacies of the work of the merit system may also feel biased towards themselves if sources and users of higher rank ignore the messages of newcomers believing that "encouraging a newbie post in may end up being wasted merit." Everything will come down to the idea of the expediency of spending time on the forum, it will come down to a thought that will eventually become a repulsive factor. Although by and large it is not important, because the less we talk about it, the better m'system works, (not to mention the fact that there are more significant factors that repel newbies).

Although, I'm not one for taking into consideration the rank of the user I'm meriting or at least I try to be conscious about being non bias. I would like to see the distribution a little better than this personally. 50% of the merit circulation going to legendaries makes sense, however I do believe that might be because there's some bias creeping in. I feel like some users are less willing to reward newbies with high amounts, because there's not enough data available to determine whether they would be a contributing user in the long term.

This is probably backed up by the fact that 517 newbies received merit, and only 423 legendaries received merit, however the amount of merits was significantly larger when being sent to legendary accounts. I think it could be argued that generally, legendaries are more likely to be posting better content, but without going through each post, that would likely be hard to accurately predict.

There is no list or anything, but even if there were, you wouldn't be on it. You send merits regularly depending on how many sMerits you have (obviously), and that's the way it should be. I guess you are just one of those who I have missed. If you believe you have been unfairly overlooked, don't hesitate to write down some of the posts you think deserve (more)merits in the report posts to merit sources thread. Just mention me or quote one of my posts so that I get the notification and can take a look at them.