xtraelv If you answered point by point, as I do, there would be no confusion.
Let's continue.
1.) I do not see your answer to this point, so I repeat my question:
But when a huge number of abusers send merit to one user it is obvious merit abuse.
And what can you say about
tema? He sent merit only to abusers (as I showed in detail). Is this behavior trustworthy?
2.)
In the link you posted he explained himself. He withdrew from the project and even publicly stated that he thought it was a scam.
To me it indicates that he got involved with something he disagreed with, left and was transparent about it. It does not make me think that he is an intentional scammer.
Why you want to believe in
words but not in
facts?
He collaborated with the project and received money from it. He knew that this project was scam. He was silent about it.
He confessed that he had collaborated with the project and knew that it was a scam only after he received accusations of fraud - only 1 year later from the project started. Fraudsters had a lot of time to deceive people.
Smart man is a scamer. It is facts not just words.
Any objections or do you agree?
4.)
When I talk about
spam you say there is no evidence. When I talk about
bumping, you say that spam is not prohibited (according to Teymos).
Do you seriously think that I will not see this juggling?
Can you answer without juggling? Did Smart man hire people in the bumping service and did he offer such services?
The value of posts that are written for one purpose - the thread bump will be discussed later.
Have you read the thread?
So 4 questions for you:
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1.) Smart man is involved in a huge circuit of merit abuse. Yes/No?
2.) Smart man has a lot of alts and with the help of them he deceives customers by making false reviews in his thread. Yes/No?
3.) Smart man is involved in the scam project Adab Solutions. Yes/No?
4.) Smart man was hiring in and offering Spam-service. Yes/No?
I can't answer any of these questions "yes" as I only make decisions about any user if I'm 100% sure I'm right. There is simply no hard evidence and if there isn't, you can easily make a mistake.
Wow!
What a great post! How many arguments!
So... After
you defended the scamer, you can’t say anything smarter than “I don't know”? Even after I showed specific facts and you just have to think about them?
1) I fail to see the direct correlation between tema and Total corruption in Russian local involving DTs.
If you have a problem with Tema then open a thread in reputation about it.
2) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.
3) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.
4) Already answered in detail. Read my previous responses.
Nobody is defending a scammer.
Considering the guidance from Theymos (forum admin) and Mprep (Global moderator) I have pointed out the rules and guidance regarding trust and the rules.
Nothing that you have said has convinced me that there is Total corruption in Russian local involving DTs. Based on the lack of evidence that you have provided makes me conclude that you do not have such evidence.
If you want to discuss individual transgressions then there is the reputation board for that.
What I have found over time is that there are a number of relatively new users that come to the forum and decide that they are self appointed judge, jury and executioner and like a zealot have a strict and uncompromising view of the world. Everyone else is wrong and they are right.
People come to this forum to talk about bitcoin, blockchain, altcoins and shitcoins. People have different opinions and some of them conflict with my ethical views. People don't come to the bitcointalk forum to be harassed or punished for every potential transgression or perceived slight. There is an unfortunate culture of toxicity that puts off people from visiting this forum.
Nobody is saying Smart man is faultless. It is just that they are not comfortable that the threshold is met where they feel comfortable placing negative trust. Something that you have not done yourself.
There are a number of DTs that in the past have taken uncompromising views on some of these issues. Several of them have been removed or publicly reprimanded for taking such uncompromising views.
Theymos has made it quite clear that he is unhappy about how DT was run in the past and wants more moderate actions.
You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.
Since the "Lauda PM" is now public knowledge let me just state that this sort of thing - forum owner/admin sending a PM
demanding "recommending" to exclude a certain user from my trust network - is deeply unwelcome. Theymos can blacklist anyone he wants, there is no need for him to coerce others into doing this. At the very least this call for action should have been done publicly. I want to put this out in case anyone wants to exclude (or blacklist
)
me for this opinion.
If you're not quite familiar with the events, please read
cryptodevil's excellent write-up.
Not sure if this is more a Meta topic or a Reputation topic, feel free to move as appropriate.We have so many threads like this nowadays, people twerking for merits.
There are a lot of pointless "summarize something obvious" posts, but IMO btcsmlcmnr's summary added something.
Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
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Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the
future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
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De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.
A few years ago I had to communicate with people who had mental disorders (Schizophrenia). One of them was always walking with the Bible and waving a cross in front of everybody, he once told me he was in constant contact with God and the devil. But as long as there is no proof of that, it can't be true. I don't compare you to one of these people, you're smart enough, but you just don't have enough evidence. I have another account, but it has one message and no merit. And I am 100% sure of that. So linking me to esmanthra is not a good idea. Read my early translations, esmanthra there constantly scolded me for the quality of translations for which I am still ashamed.
Many, many years ago a colleague sent me to a call where the person complained that his neighbors were putting stink bombs down his walls at night. They would scurry up the downpipe and make a hell of a noise on the roof. When I suggested that it could be rats making the noise and the smell. He looked very angry and yelled "look ! I went to the pub and told my friends. They said "your neighbors really must have it in for you !" "They clearly believe me !" "Do your fucking job and catch them". He explained that he had confronted his neighbors about it but they had been "evasive". At that stage he also became convinced I was part of the conspiracy. A report with concern for the welfare of the neighbors was filed.
