Topic: Total corruption in Russian local [DT involved!] (Read 2621 times)

we have discussed this many times. if you need points with numbers, get it.
 1. Because everyone decides what to check, whom to check and does it because of his competence. In addition, you pose a much greater threat to the partition than even Smartman and especially be.open. It's my opinion.

2. It will be enough for me if people know the truth about your activities. Think about why Veleor asked you this question.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52772881
Investigate further; nobody bothers you. Your lies, slander and other harm will be exposed. About fiat prostitutes, do not make me laugh, you are a fiat propagandist.



Translation -dollar has always solved these problems more reliably...


Translation - With Bitcoin, all kinds of obstacles can also arise and ...? What is the argument? The dollar is still better and everyone needs it in the end.
http://archive.md/Z9Zxx



Translation - Bucks there circulate perfectly on the black market + no one canceled online. And I will notice that you continue to pile up fantasies: if we are in Venezuela, but if bucks are prohibited, etc., but the facts do not change from this: the dollar is even better than a cue ball in Venezuela. And it is impossible to call bitcoin a means of saving, taking into account -80% of the price for the past 2 years. A highly speculative instrument - yes, a store of value - 100% no.
http://archive.md/k1dLp


Translation - a dollar is 100% better. Bitcoin is completely unnecessary, it is like a dog’s fifth leg.

http://archive.md/9Gqrp


Translation -  Bitcoin does not even have to be banned so that it stumbles. He will never become money.
http://archive.md/q5a5K


Translation - If we are talking about a legal field, then bitcoin (even in a fantasized future) will still be worse than existing fiat systems

http://archive.md/OBp0C


Translation - Here, in this scheme, the dollar is everywhere, since all people are guided by the price in dollars (they don’t give a damn about bitcoin), even bitcoin itself is interesting only in the sense of how much they will give for it.
All this is objective reality.

http://archive.md/5mW29


Translation - Difficulties with understanding are just with you.
Facts: the price is set in dollars and people focus only on it.
Where they get the dollars does not bother anyone - from the sale of manure or from the sale of bitcoin.

http://archive.md/LZAHX


Translation - Dollar, Euro - great tools and they work.
http://archive.md/wuSaI


Do you still want to talk about fiat prostitutes? This is an illustration of hypocrisy.
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How can I submit a false review? You had someone else’s text without a link. I made a report and got GOOD status, your message was deleted. I have dozens of reports with GOOD status, users are not blocked.

Firstly, inaccurate translation, the real Subject is "The creator of Bitcoin about the BTC."
It is clear to any normal person that Bitcoin = BTC. But Crag Wright doesn't think so and therefore this expression is used. This topic is a translation of Craig's article. Why are you surprised that it is named so? You read it and did not understand? Or are you just looking for another reason to lie about me?


I always propose an objective consideration of the facts, if the facts cannot be established accurately, then only opinions remain. They can be any. Like it or not.


Thanks to fiat prostitutes like you, bitcoin really has long and far gone from the initial idea. And besides the payment system, part of bitcoin is a pyramid. I have such an opinion. Do you forbid me to have it?  
As for the quotes that you pulled from my> 1,700 posts (out of context), this is just ridiculous, can you really find something really serious against me?


A beautiful fairy tale, and the facts are here in English and anyone can easily check them.


      Show me please this tag?   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=986242
May be i'm blind?

Everything happened as I expected - there was one honest person in Ru local. Nobody supported her, on the contrary, she was insulted by the crowd, and after lengthy “discussions” of this kind they brought her to the point of removing her tag. There is not even a neutral mark.

Should I bring all these dirty quotes here? Do you want me to show all this shit here? Or are you smart enough not to dispute this?

And after that, you have the audacity to say that it’s me (and not the corrupt DTs) who are killing Ru local?  


Lie. No bumping, just reviews for money. I showed it here.
A small example of my paid post:

here we go:

The accusation of lying, as always arrogant and untenable.



I'll start with the accusation of lying.
Subject: The creator of Bitcoin on the BTC.
Created by KTChampions.
Article: Shades of Black ...
Posted by Crag Wright.
http://archive.md/VzVPH

where is the lie? I do not like your many false accusations, in different forum topics. I'm starting to think that you can inflict unreasonable damage to the reputation of any user.
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When I said that the title of the topic is disorientation, he referred to the opinion of the US government agency, calling the remaining opinions fantasies. Although this is no longer relevant to his accusation of lying. 
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51274166

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If you follow his link, you can die of laughter, be careful. 

Why are there such big words when in reality in the Russian section the opposite is true?

Why does he consider the “creator” of Bitcoin, fake Satoshi, a scammer?
KTChampions repeatedly calls Bitcoin a financial pyramid fraud and compares it with the famous criminal pyramids of Russia, for example, MMM.

translation - ...specifically Bitcoin, almost always rated as scam....
http://archive.md/zlITq


translation - I’m not saying that Bitcoin is a bubble, it is a pyramid.
http://archive.md/90dS9

transfer - I affirm that Bitcoin is a pyramid where the profits of the first participants are ensured by the subsequent ones and it will eventually collapse

http://archive.md/1hC9u

translation - Why do I need it? I show the correspondence of Bitcoin to the pyramid.

http://archive.md/RqHIa

crypto enthusiast....


translation - calls enthusiastic fools or scammers.
http://archive.md/LaA9i

translation - I know, but religion does not allow sharing info free
http://archive.md/LKhOU

translation - I can sell the link to the bounty ...
http://archive.md/xAexb

Here is such an enthusiast, I have collected more links here

Translation - Dollar, Euro - great tools and they work.
there are so many

http://archive.md/wuSaI

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KTChampions, it’s you who came to META with corruption charges and did not provide them. KTChampions, this you repeatedly repeat in META and in the Russian section that I am a defender of the scammer. I, just like everyone, refused to paint without strong evidence. I have the right to have my own opinion, and other users, and even more so members of the DT, should be independent. On June 30, when new charges appeared that were not related to the bumping service with which you came here, I wrote the following -

Translation - This is a common case that is no different from others. If there is fraud, he must have a mark in TRUST. If there is a connection with other blocked accounts, the rule No. 25 applies.

Until June 30, this case was not and other strong evidence, also was not.

 I am not a defender of fraudsters, you repeatedly disseminate slander in the Russian section and harass me with false accusations.
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KTChampions, if there is a mark in TRUST from the user DT, with Reference, why put others? Users are already warned. Why insult people who express their opinion in the Russian section? Why do you persecute people dozens of times for not hard actions, for which they have a mark in TRUST? Why are you creating an atmosphere of fear in the Russian section? You come to META and you're lying. Why are you surprised that your opinion is not the main thing? KTChampions, are you the chief prosecutor? No, KTChampions, you are the main hater of the Russian section. You never understood the bitcoin community, it has a meritocracy. The last case with be.open, upset many. lovesmayfamilis changed TRUST because earlier, she added to her TRUST list.


Users tried to understand the extent of the abuse because they respected be.open. They tried to understand the extent of the damage and its past achievements and how dangerous is it
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People commit small deeds and serious crimes because of selfishness. In some countries of the former USSR, a high level of corruption and crime. People are deprived of the full spiritual development. They live in difficult conditions, many are degrading. Some do something for their development and sometimes help others. The Russian section is not easy, there is also a lot of dishonest. Over the past year, there have been many improvements and this is definitely not your merit. Do you think the forum administration is in illusions regarding the Russian section? No, but they give us room for growth. To the best of our ability, we make the section cleaner. There is a huge side effect from your activity, almost damage. You destroy the section. From every investigation that lay on the surface, you make a real show, humiliating people.
You are the same selfish person. It is easy to see from messages, even in English -

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20888914

and also provided paid bumping service
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52772881

if people do not commit serious crimes, they should be given the opportunity to remain full participants, perhaps they can even be useful. But this is if you have good goals.

I am sincerely surprised how impudent slander, lies and aggression, on such a scale.

sorry for the curve translation

How boring and uninteresting is the life of a person who voluntarily does this. Go for a walk or something, maybe you will find a girl, most importantly squeeze out acne.

This is your opinion, I have a different opinion and anyone who reads a topic from the very beginning can make up their own opinion.


How nice to hear the decision of the last resort. Thank you for your opinion.


Just for this (unmixing), there are discussions "with all kinds of opinions, as discussions tend to be" so yes i will continue to do that i'm doing 
At the moment, I am pleased with the results - despite the difficulties, many scamers are tagged and banned.

It's a discussion with all kinds of opinions, as discussions tend to be. To call it some sort of "protection" conspiracy is asinine. Some people probably lie. You definitely lie.


Again, you can do whatever you want and I'm sure you will. It's your own credibility at risk when you're mixing credible accusations with not-so-credible insinuations and revisionism.

I agree that not all people “mistaken” in users are interested defenders of scamers. Everyone makes mistakes, but I'm sure that some users intentionally protect caught fraudsters for one reason or another.
As for my alleged lie: since yesterday, a lot of posts were written in the locale ... do you read them? Do you think they all adequately describe objective reality or do some users lie?


By the post above, I showed why all the questions and actions from chimk make me suspicious. I’m tired of the fact that after the publication of some information, for some reason, not information is discussed, but I. And it seems to me that after what happened and continues to happen, I have the right to suspicion and self-defense.

You can go anywhere you want, just try to be at least honest and not lie about what's really going on. There is no conspiracy, be.open has been tagged by DT, you're not happy though because not everyone agrees with you, and anyone who doesn't jump to the same conclusions as you is "protecting scammers".

Your weaselly response to the question about the deleted post exemplifies your character - from indirectly blaming another poster with fabrication, to insinuations that a moderator deleted it (hint: modlog is public), to the good old "but it's not a crime even if I did it". Of course it's not. It's the cover-up that makes it suspicious.

The fact that I go to Meta in controversial situations is quite logical. There are many more honest people here and they act more quickly, plus scamers and their defenders are less arrogant than in the local.

Now I will show you an example that does not apply to high-ranking scamers: I found a ponzi scheme and several related projects. I don’t need any merits or any confession, I just need the scamers to be punished. Therefore, I published this information in two (!!!) sections devoted to scams in the Ru local.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51946673
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51946711

Have any actions been taken? Have scammers been tagged? No.
But I got advice to publish this in "Scam Accusations". Ok, i did it: TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects
The scamer was instantly tagged. And even a flag was created so that the fraudster could not deceive anyone.

I returned to the local and said that I had done what I was advised. And...? Maybe you will show me at least one tag from the DT members from the Ru local? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1182356

But this is the simplest case. I believe that such things should be easily solved inside the local, but as you can see they are not solved.

Now another simple example: Several bounty cheaters with high ranks


Please show me the work of DT members from Ru local in this case.

Yes, you defended the scammer. Here are the details, it is not clear why you are avoiding them. Better repent once and admit the mistake.

Old lie.


I have the right to my opinion, everyone can read this topic and see who and how honestly behaves.


At the same time, you didn’t make your own opinion about the violators (under the pretext that you do not understand the bounty) but started looking for an excuse to spoil my reputation / ban me. Some kind of super illogical behavior.


The next lie but of course you will refer to your poor English 
Correct translation: Why you yourself do not voice the price range?
I consider this behavior fraudulent (regardless of what is for sale) and I have blamed many sellers of various goods for this.


Why don't you give a translation of my answer? Trying to mislead those who do not know Russian? Ok, I will do it for you:



Above in the quote, I explained what and why could happen. I am not surprised that you did not show this my answer here.

And now about you: I answered your two questions, and you promised to answer my two in response. But somehow you dodge it.
May be you want to do it here? So my questions:

KTChampions often exaggerate. Failure to change the trust for an attempt to create a "bumping service", he called the protection of a scammer. . He exaggerates calling Craig Wright the creator of Bitcoin
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51273720
 Refusal to admit evidence, the movement of merit, calls the protection of a fraudster. He also “exaggerated” by accusing me of having an alternate account and corruption.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51544427

In the Russian section there is a really active discussion, as part of the discussion we talked about honesty. I said that if an accusation is made, it will be good if people admit their guilt and we will avoid drama. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52738030

Later, I asked KTChampions to honestly answer two questions.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52744046

I recently looked through the account sales thread and found a quote for a nonexistent message, here it is -

http://archive.md/lHD7w

 Bitonly88 wants to buy Full Member accounts, a quoted message from KTChampions, in quote, please state the price range. There is a quote, but no message. I asked KTChampions what does this mean? Look what he said to me,
 and whose name he inserted instead of his own by editing the message.

Either Bitonly88 committed a forgery, compromising KTChampions, or KTChampions, embarrassed to tell the truth, makes a false accusation of forgery. It doesn’t matter that Bitonly88, an account seller, should be interested in the truth. Later, suchmoon clarified, does KTChampions really deny his participation in the discussion of account purchases? Then KTChampions wrote that he did not remember, and maybe it was his way to show fraud in the discussion. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52750455
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52751851

But initially, he said “Ask a question at the address, namely Bitonly88.
You never know what he could write there, for example” and instead of KTChampions, Satoshi Nakamoto inserted. I have a request, if someone can clarify the light on this situation and get a message from the archive, please help.I want to understand whether Bitonly88 made a forgery or KTChampions once again exaggerated.

sorry for the bad english.

I've read the discussion. You're exaggerating. There is a lively discussion going on about be.open's value to the forum and forgiveness, not unlike theymos suggested we should be doing for lesser transgressions. It's starting to look like every time a discussion doesn't go your way you run to the English boards looking for non-Russian speaking DTs to inflame the conflict. There is a precedent for a "friends and family" lenience in similar cases so it's far from a "Ru local" conspiracy as you'd like us to believe.

It is sad to up this topic again, but unfortunately the need arose.

For starters, a little history that was not reflected here:

Thanks to my efforts, the serial scamer was finaly banned Ban evasion
Some other scamers were found and tagged.
The account that was sold.
TIRUS - Ponzi scheme + few related scam projects
Personal threats, lies, protection of scamer etc. Is it trustworthy?
etc.
Everything was fine except last topic since there were people who supported the scamer and tried to achieve the ban’s cancellation for him. But everything ended well - the ban was not canceled.

Recently, I found a couple of cheaters with high ranks.


But this information did not arouse any interest in Ru locale (all cheaters are from there) and not one of the DT members put their tag on them (in ru local there are a lot of DT members now).

A more interesting thing happened when I found some more high-ranking cheaters.


These cheaters turned out to be friends of many DT members from Ru local, so there was an amazing discussion - about how good they are, about which idea to come up with so that it will be possible to forgive them. Moreover, many participants in the discussion at first simply denied the obvious facts with "arguments" as: i do not see/do not understand.
Fortunately, one honest DT was found in the local and she made his mark. It was lovesmayfamilis. After that, she was attacked by the trolls and pressure from the cheaters.
Naturally, I was attacked by some DT members - just like in the situation with the serial scammer from which this topic began. Some DT members are trying to find an excuse to tag/ban me instead of paying attention to scamers whom I point out with real facts.
At the moment, the discussion continues, scamers with numerous support feel great and I won’t be surprised if they soon persuade/force lovesmayfamilis to remove the tag.

Therefore, I have a request: take a look at the scamers and the facts that I cited on them and make your tag. Help Ru local.

on charges of KTChampions, Smart Man is associated with the farm and if this is true, there is a blockage evasion. It is necessary to check and act in accordance with paragraph 25 of the rules.

How about this - far more relevant to chimk's situation:


tl;dr: complain to theymos directly or shut up already.

But you took a lot of time to protect the scamer.

Example: huge post on June 10, 2019, and huge post on June 13, 2019 You defended Smart Man although the evidence was obvious.
MaoChao pointed this out to you:
But you ignored these arguments and continued to defend the proven scamer.

One more example: I show in detail how one of the Smart Man farms works.
Your answer:
and try to attack personally me.
MaoChao saw the evidence and start to tag farm accounts (and reporting for ban) and he pointed out that there is a merit connection of the farm with Smart Man.

You always acted in this way and constantly lied. I made a selection of these cases, all information is open and anyone can check it.


Another lie. Facts suggest otherwise.


Lie. My words about the lack of an individual approach were about offering bumping service:


Trying to confuse the situation, you confessed to another attack against me and it was extremely immoral. Deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me.

Your tales about how useful the shitposting was for you personally, I do not even see the point of commenting. You distribute not personal merits, but merits that belong to the forum. And I have nothing to add to this:


And I still don't see your tag on Smart man for any of these points.
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.

chimk, thanks for your work! You have done a lot for the Russian-speaking bitcointalk community.

I just recently rarely deeply conduct investigations, there is no time for that. Therefore, when you raised this question for the first time, I did not see a reason to lower the trust. Why do I need to dig deep? Do you think I have little suspicion accumulated all the time? A lot, but I do not have time to check everyone deeply. Evidence appeared only on June 30th. I am not the only person on the forum who is able to evaluate your facts. And you could see that no one was in a hurry to lower the trust. You can continue to impose my opinion on me, but I have my own opinion on the evidence and the use of the trust system.

I did not confess to the unreasonable report, I do not think moderators are fools. In the Russian section, these issues are discussed very actively, KTChampions said that he had not seen individual consideration of issues before. I gave him an example that all questions are individually considered. I made a lot of reports on it, according to the paragraphs of the rules No. 32, No. 1 and 1 report No. 33. There was no reference to the source. The report received the status of "good" and the message was deleted. There was no blocking, it is a clear example of an individual approach, which, as KTChampions argued, is missing. I'm wondering what prevents people from putting the link?  The list of blocked in the Russian section
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--4588431

Quote from the rules in Russian: -

The author asked when I plan to transfer BNB to BTC. I answered him that I want to wait for a higher course
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50662797
Then I thought, and I suddenly realized that it was impossible to be greedy and we must convert it into BTC right now, the exchange rate was approximately 0.004 sat on April 18, 2019. It was an experience I gained. I thanked the author, who pushed me to this and sent him merits to the beginning of the discussion.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50664365
on such facts was built the last accusation. It was called a crap post, with merit assigned.
Messages to which merit is assigned are not low-content. They are part of the discussion and were the "address" for the appropriation of merit in these discussions. But the content is different in quality. I gave an explanation for each message in the Russian section

You can also see the users who are assigned the maximum amount of merit, it will be clear that these are well-deserved and beneficial authors, to whom not only I give merit.
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=chimk
 I used to keep statistics on which sections and for which questions merit was assigned. Coverage is high. I know the benefits of the forum, users with the maximum amount of merit. This I can also explain, it is not difficult. Content is different and technical and ideological. And BTC and altcoins and much more. The quality of the content does not depend on me, I’m not the one who writes. I check for plagiarism. Profiles I study whenever possible.

I received private messages several times and asked "can they give me a merit?". I always answered: - "I do not need merit, send to useful users." I am toxic, people communicate with me carefully, knowing that I am a target for attacks and for them there may be consequences. It seems to me.
Also in the Russian section there is a topic for messages that have no merit. There you can see and appreciate them. I am not the only source, there are a few more. The whole community is a link in the movement of merit within the network. If I did not give them to someone, maybe in this profile there is a reason for this, plagiarism, possible fraud or something else. This is all in the Russian section is now being discussed. But they called me a corrupt source. There is no evidence.

I still do not know in what format to reflect this situation, it raises many questions, but you need to understand. I received a lot of serious accusations, it can not constantly go on. In the near future I will gather all the important information together. Yesterday I again had to write a large text, exposing another lie. See a discussion of these issues.

I see some information appeared in this thread. In general, everything is clear, but a small addition:


Smart man is involved in:
1.) Mass account trading.
2.) Merit abuse.
3.) Bumping /shilling.
4.) Offering bumping service.
5.) Plagiarism (many accounts from his farms are banned for plagiarism).
6.) Participation in the obvious scam projects.
7.) Account farming.
etc.

For users speaking on russian as native language the criminal behavior of Smart Man is obvious even with a 5-minute study of his profile.
This is what led me to the idea of ​​corruption on the part of those who, in the local, aggressively defended the obvious scamer.
Anyone can check the history of posts and see how chimik (and some others) defend Smart Man and try to avoid even discussing the facts. Although they could conduct their own research to find out the truth. But instead they attacked me, and chimik even confessed that he had made a deliberately false report on my post trying to ban me. I described the behavior of chimik and his endless protection of the scamer here (it was in the local).
Too much lies for a person who claims objectivity.

 Error google translate. I wanted to say that the posts are ONLY in English.

 I have a lot of work, helped dozens of ICO. There is nothing to do, sit and write meaningless posts in English. Write for what?
To go 1 time to the bounty and not even add to the table?


 Look in the profile how many created large and extremely useful topics in Russian. Chimk did not just give me 60 merit for them.
 And for this Chimk was accused of corruption. I have already painted, not a problem, I will survive. But I will not give the participants of the Russian locale an insult to trolls.

By the way, you were very helpful when you posted the airdrop data in the Russian locale  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51666582 Nobody asked you to look for them.  And you did not know that I explained yesterday that the intersection of my wallet and Username: MelnikBitok Profile: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/melnikbitok-1505498 goes through airdrop.

 I looked you wrote a lot here, trying to understand whether there is corruption. I give you merit for what you are doing. Maybe I won't need them anymore.  
Very good topic, no one appreciated it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-thread-announcements-regarding-the-cryptopia-security-breach-5114363

No it is not clear. Tryto writes in English but only a few lines at a time and the grammar shows it is not his primary language.