Topic: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. - page 4. (Read 11363 times)

OP deserved to lose their BTC. It is just how it is.

You dont educate yourself then you suffer the consequences.

Anyone dealing with Ripple deserved to be ripped. 

It's already implied in their choice of word.

I guess that part is a bit confusing to me as I haven't used Ripple.  The reason I said that is that earlier he said after the initial loan there was a second one.  I guess you didn't really agree to that one..?  Anyway I suppose I posted because I wondered how much of his decision to loan was based on your reputation in this forum.  I don't discount the possibility that you may have been targeted.
Anyway I find ripple repellent to rational thought so I'll try to stay out of the conversation from now on.  

You do realize I already gave him back, and then he kept it in Ripple and someone took it again?

Why not pretend that TF is dead?  Then I think everyone will see the light.

So if nobody had ever heard of trojans would it be fine for me to infect people's computers and take their btc as long as my link said "click here to see why you're unsafe!"
I could see a person doing this to show the problems inherent in trusting random internet downloads.. but then to not give that back doesn't seem like an ideal situation for a person's reputation. 

Seems like OP is a casualty of an aggressive campaign against Ripple.  Maybe something does need to be done, but should this be the way?

"Bitcoin user scams Ripple users in an attempt to show Bitcoin's superiority," I don't want to see this headline.

I would say this it's ripples fault and not tradfortress's. @webr3, why not create a scam accusations/untrustworthy thread against ripple/xpr? That's the real culprit here.

I believe the fault here lies not with TradeFortress or with Ripple; but with the OP for accepting the IOUs over BTC while completely aware that he may lose them.

He was suggested by TF to close the trustlines to avoid losing the BTC IOUs, but he refused to. It is evident that OP's ignorance resulted in this loss.

Not only is that just your opinion, but also I have "paid up" by sending 10.15 BTC back to webr3 the first time. You know what happened next, he tried it again despite me saying I won't honor it and someone random user he accuses of being me redeemed it.

That is true, and it's one reason Ripple is a good system. But it doesn't get TF off the hook. He still needs to pay up.

Why would someone purposefully spend over $1k to defame TradeFortress? This is absolutely stupid, and webr3 should be ashamed.

Ripple should maybe make it more clear that trust means that you are basically giving someone that much money, though.

He's not going to fulfill anything in ripple, and there is no contract. You aren't getting 10.15 BTC, he didn't even withdraw that BTC personally.

Ripple is a scam, and this is just an example of the massive vulnerability.

He honored what he said he would do. Send ripple IOU's. And it turns out ripple is the scam. because if ripple allows it why use them?

I *exactly* said this and he wants me to send the BTCs back:


Hey, look, what happened? 

I am really sorry you lost your money. But didn't TF offer to send you the money to a btc address? And did he not warn you that if he just sent the btc stamps back, someone else might use his IOUs to trade them for your stamps?  I dont mean to be harsh or cold. I'm very sad it happened, but TF showed you how it could happen but you refused the btc deposit to a secure wallet. Instead you wanted your stamps on ripple with all the risk that entailed.

Exactly, I trusted TradeFortress, he proved himself very untrustworthy. He owes me 10.15 BTC.

That is the title of this thread, and the point here.

My cheer-leading in that area has only grown more serious over the years.  The problem it solves is that if people I respect don't end up with a fool's money, then worse people will end up with it.  Look at all the people paying taxes to the US government.  That is the worst way to lose your money (and check out losthorizons.com if it's happening to you because chances are it doesn't need to).  The fastest way to turn a sucker from a sucker into someone respectable, trustworthy, smart, and a positive influence in society is to let them get suckered enough for them to realize what's happening.  I raised three kids, and I watched them all learn to walk.  When you stop them from falling down, it only slows down their progress.  Did I ever trip them on purpose?  No, but I didn't move things out of their way either.  Self-reliance is an important tool, and only growing more important as the tyrants most people call "authorities" continue making people into sheeple-slaves.

You Trust, You learn.  It goes both ways.  The trick is to trust others with as much as you're willing to pay to learn that they aren't trustworthy.  When you get that right, you always win when dealing with others, whether they're trustworthy or not.

So you are basically cheering for separating suckers from their money. I have done that as well some times, but never serious.

There's something here I don't understand...

Didn't you tell Ripple that you trust TradeFortress to pay you back up to 100 BTC?  Have you now decided to reverse that claim that you trust him?  I don't think Ripple supports that, and it should (which would make it useless, I think).  Since it doesn't, you're stuck trusting TF to pay you back... some day.  Did you happen to tell Ripple how long your trust that he'd pay you back would last?  I guess that's another feature Ripple doesn't have.

I don't think there's any difference between telling Ripple that you trust person X (TF or whoever) to pay you back up to 100 BTC, and actually giving that person 100 BTC.  I think what TF is doing is great.  He could make a lot of enemies (which a very large number of people do, inadvertently, as they bumble through life depending on taxation for various things - see - fiat currency is the ultimate scam - check out Larken Rose's "How to Be a Crook"), or a lot of friends, depending on who's smart enough to see that he's proving that... there's no "difference between telling Ripple that you trust person X (TF or whoever) to pay you back up to 100 BTC, and actually giving that person 100 BTC."

Well done, TF.  I hope the few people who think the lesson is worth less than they lost won't hurt you too much for allowing them to foolishly tell Ripple that they trusted you.

As usual, my understanding of things is always suspect, so if anyone would like to point out any boneheaded things I've said in expressing my understanding of this situation, please go ahead.

You took 10.15 btc from me, and gave it away. You owe me it, pay your debt.