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legendary
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Its not an organization at all.  North Korea on the other hand is a place with a state and a list of government officials and governing documents.    If a group of fascists call themselves "antifa" that doesn't mean they are antifa.  It means they are liars.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
They were never antifa.  They were posing.
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The use of cells at the higher organizational level of an attempted communist takeover is well documented. This was done by those agents of the Communist party under Mao in organizing the "student protests" in China that led to the takeover in 1949.
legendary
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You enjoy enabling murder, beatings, looting, and arson.

And you enjoy the murders of Americans by the people that are supposed to serve and protect them (ie the police).



Just to explain the above statement :  you are against protests that are against police brutality, hence you do not condemn police brutality, hence you enjoy police brutality.
Maybe if you knew that 50% of the police casualties are white (574 out of 1093), you would change your mind. Blacks only represent a mere 24% of the police murders.

So, you can join on the train (condemn police brutality), and still look "good" by supporting white supremacist racist people.

OMg, so much double negation and touches of sarcasm in the above.

Actually I used to run a Youtube channel focused on nothing more than police brutality for several years, this was of course before it was trendy to hate all cops just for being cops. I had over 5000 subscribers and nearly two million views. I also got more death threats than I could count. Of course feel free to tell me what I enjoy while you make excuses for people who might very well cause a civil war and societal breakdown. I am sure your "justice" in the dark running from roving gangs of murderers and rapists while you starve will be worth it.



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I did in fact document that they are an organization.
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Yeah, i am not going to waste my time browsing ~30 articles or videos from vague conspiracy sites or for your amusement, i have stuff to do.
If you had actual proof, you would be more specific.

So the groups own website is not proof enough? The guide published by ANTIFA detailing how to start a group isn't enough?

[slaps "CONSPIRACY" sticker on it] "Yep, no need to reply now"

Just because you refuse to read it doesn't change the fact that I documented they are in fact a collection of organized groups.



He googled something like 'antifa is an organization' and posted a bunch of the search results.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54543632

I have been monitoring the activities of this organization for at least 5 years, and up to 19 if you count "black bloc" from 1999. You have fun with your shallow baseless assertions, because we both know you have no argument to stand on here. ANTIFA is a terrorist organization.
legendary
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This whole thing is a staged setup to make Trump look bad.

Watch the video at the link to the site, below. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=667&v=CJ9hqde1XMo )


Something Doesn't Add Up! Organized Riots? Staged Bricks, Bail Out's & De Blasio’s Daughter Arrested



Something doesn’t smell quite right with these George Floyd riots breaking out across our cities. Not only are piles of bricks being left at riot scenes, but mayor De Blasio’s daughter has been arrested at one of these unlawful protests and bail out money for looters are being donated by celebrities and Joe Biden campaign staff members. All that and more in this report…


Cool
legendary
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I did in fact document that they are an organization.
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Yeah, i am not going to waste my time browsing ~30 articles or videos from vague conspiracy sites or for your amusement, i have stuff to do.
If you had actual proof, you would be more specific.

He googled something like 'antifa is an organization' and posted a bunch of the search results.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54543632
member
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I did in fact document that they are an organization.
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Yeah, i am not going to waste my time browsing ~30 articles or videos from vague conspiracy sites or for your amusement, i have stuff to do.
If you had actual proof, you would be more specific.
legendary
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C.D.P.E.M
You enjoy enabling murder, beatings, looting, and arson.

And you enjoy the murders of Americans by the people that are supposed to serve and protect them (ie the police).



Just to explain the above statement :  you are against protests that are against police brutality, hence you do not condemn police brutality, hence you enjoy police brutality.
Maybe if you knew that 50% of the police casualties are white (574 out of 1093), you would change your mind. Blacks only represent a mere 24% of the police murders.

So, you can join on the train (condemn police brutality), and still look "good" by supporting white supremacist racist people.

OMg, so much double negation and touches of sarcasm in the above.
sr. member
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and lets not miss the fact that the word "terrorist" has been hyper-politicized over the last 20 years to loosely mean "anyone who the government wants to get rid of".   The US has constantly called groups terrorists and then armed them and supported them in later conflicts when they needed their help.

I am using the legal definition of the term terrorist. The rest of your statement is a non sequitur.

The page on Antifa by the Southern Poverty Law Center is quite interesting. It's obviously they are pushing the lie and backing the violent anarchists/communists.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/01/designating-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization-dangerous-threatens-civil-liberties



i lived studied and worked in germany last 30 years, antifa has its origin here

believe me it is extremly exhausting having them constantly in the political debate, it feels like a parasitarian worm is continously drilling your bring, people will suffer having them constantly being pissed off.
there is always force in life.

no government is perfect, antifa destroyes production chains and causes poverty.
legendary
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These aren't protests any more, they are riots. Protesters obey the law.
There are riots.  And there are protests.  Just because there are riots does not make the protests not protests anymore.
Protesters obey the law.
Not always.  Probably the most well known example is MLK being arrested for protesting in the 60s.
Another example: in LA the other day there were hundreds of people protesting.  The cops declared it an unlawful assembly and gave everyone a chance to leave. Many simply sat down and waited their turn to be arrested.  No violence, no looting, just protesting after being told to stop.  Civil disobedience is one way to protest and dissent is literally where patriotism came from.



Klu klu klan = not terrorsits  (even when they lynch/ hung american citizen)

Fun fact:
TECSHARE considers progressives more racist than any member of the Klu Klux Klan.


edit: actually there's nothing fun about that.

Any member of the KKK? No.
Did you change your mind?
Progressives are more racist than any KKK member, they just think their virtue signalling makes up for it.

They aren't just engaged in unlawful assembly, and they are certainly not nonviolent. Yeah I change my mind, progressives are more racist than any KKK member. You people are fucking disgusting and why no one can have a logical nuanced discussion any more, because any nuance is turned into a "gotcha". You enjoy enabling murder, beatings, looting, and arson.
legendary
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These aren't protests any more, they are riots. Protesters obey the law.
There are riots.  And there are protests.  Just because there are riots does not make the protests not protests anymore.
Protesters obey the law.
Not always.  Probably the most well known example is MLK being arrested for protesting in the 60s.
Another example: in LA the other day there were hundreds of people protesting.  The cops declared it an unlawful assembly and gave everyone a chance to leave. Many simply sat down and waited their turn to be arrested.  No violence, no looting, just protesting after being told to stop.  Civil disobedience is one way to protest and dissent is literally where patriotism came from.



Klu klu klan = not terrorsits  (even when they lynch/ hung american citizen)

Fun fact:
TECSHARE considers progressives more racist than any member of the Klu Klux Klan.


edit: actually there's nothing fun about that.

Any member of the KKK? No.
Did you change your mind?
Progressives are more racist than any KKK member, they just think their virtue signalling makes up for it.

legendary
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Anyway this was just another outburst and a weak gesture from Trump trying to distract our attention to elsewhere. And (should i lend the term) "useful idiots" will eat it up.
Huh?

The "weak gestures" are from liberal governors who let cities burn.

Trump said if they wouldn't stop it, he would.

legendary
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member
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Weren't Americans fighting facists in WW2? Should they also punish the veterans retroactively?

I can call myself a WW2 veteran just like I can call myself an "antifascist". That doesn't magically make me either one of those things.

This comparison doesn't make sense in any level.

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ANTIFA does in fact have leaders, organizations, and spokesman as I have already documented.

No you haven't. Did you even read what i said? Do i need to repeat myself?
literally anyone opposing fascists can call themselves antifa

Network isn't a same thing as organization, and is that antifa merchandise supposed to be a proof of some kind? Proof of what?
That i can just make and sell my own antifa gear?

Anyway this was just another outburst and a weak gesture from Trump trying to distract our attention to elsewhere. And (should i lend the term) "useful idiots" will eat it up.
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Its not an organization at all.  North Korea on the other hand is a place with a state and a list of government officials and governing documents.    If a group of fascists call themselves "antifa" that doesn't mean they are antifa.  It means they are liars.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
They were never antifa.  They were posing.

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(5) the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that—

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
-The police in several cities using tear gas to make protests go away is terrorism by definition

-Trump's threats to use the military against the will of the states to crackdown on protesters would be terrorism by definition.


legendary
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Socialism and communism should be banned and any followers should be imprisoned and re-educated.

I don't know if you were trying to be funny but that's what authoritarian regimes - often communist regimes - do with dissidents. It never really ends well in the long term.
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you really need to have some mush in your brain to say that  :

Anti-fascist = terrorist

And then on the other hand :


Antifa is a fascist organization, despite their name. This is similar to North Korea having Democratic in it. They claim anything they disagree with is “fascist” which is similar to how many on the left claim that anytime someone disagrees with their stance, they are “racist”.

Police in the majority of cities are not arresting rioters, except in the most egregious cases, and this is not even happening all the time.

Over 4,000 arrests have been made as of last night:
https://apnews.com/55933b8695e36337a6bfe96728b3e7f3

There's plenty of footage showing that many of the arrests were peaceful and made for violating the curfew or having an unlawful assembly.  
I am not concerned with unlawful assembly, I am concerned with people burning buildings, shooting cops, breaking windows, stealing from stores, and beating people. The rioters have been able to act with impunity. Here is the proof, the riots are continuing and are getting worse. Arresting someone with unlawful assembly usually amounts to being in handcuffs for a few hours, being released and getting a fine that won’t get paid. The rioters should be facing years/decades in prison.

If you look at who is defending who and whose statements have been debunked, you should get an idea as to what is true. On the left, politicians are directing police to not arrest rioters and are in some cases defending them. They are being called out for what they are on the right.
I'm trying to find a politician that is calling police to not arrest rioters, but can't.  I'm seeing lots of statements condemning violence and looting while also supporting peaceful protests and condemning all the footage of police abusing their power during protests.
The mayors and governors are in charge of the police force and National Guard response. If rioters are not being arrested, this is because they have been ordered not to, or have been ordered to arrest people in certain circumstances.

Many in the left wing media have been defending the riots.  

In Minnesota, elected officials had said that over 80% of rioters were from out of town and that White supremacy groups are instigating the riots, however arrest records show that most arrested are not from out of the state.
I assume you're referring to the governor, who made it pretty clear he couldn't confirm it and his suspicion was based on national reports.  He also walked back his estimate that 80% being out of state when the arrest data came out.
Yes, he has not offered any proof. The rioters are not white supremacy groups, here is my proof, if they were, left wing extremists celebrities would not be donating millions collectively to bail them out of jail.

Also, to prove a point about the funding of Antifa, there are videos of people going to piles of bricks in the middle of cities. How would a pile of random bricks get to the middle of a street?  Here is an example
https://mobile.twitter.com/fleccas/status/1267326702771793920
Very well could be antifa.  Wouldn't be surprised if the Bricks belonged to the owner of the closest building which had scaffolding up either.
That wasn’t the only video I saw of that happening. Here is better evidence
https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbusPolice/status/1267568211370934272

I don’t think the bricks belonged to any building nearby.


I have noticed there is a lot of propaganda. There is actually a troubling amount of propaganda, to the extent that the presence of this much propaganda bothers me.
legendary
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and lets not miss the fact that the word "terrorist" has been hyper-politicized over the last 20 years to loosely mean "anyone who the government wants to get rid of".   The US has constantly called groups terrorists and then armed them and supported them in later conflicts when they needed their help.

I am using the legal definition of the term terrorist. The rest of your statement is a non sequitur.

The page on Antifa by the Southern Poverty Law Center is quite interesting. It's obviously they are pushing the lie and backing the violent anarchists/communists.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/01/designating-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization-dangerous-threatens-civil-liberties

sr. member
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Weren't Americans fighting facists in WW2? Should they also punish the veterans retroactively?

americans were not just fighting fasicm, they also fought against:

german nationalism

german national socialism

german capitalism,

etc.
legendary
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and lets not miss the fact that the word "terrorist" has been hyper-politicized over the last 20 years to loosely mean "anyone who the government wants to get rid of".   The US has constantly called groups terrorists and then armed them and supported them in later conflicts when they needed their help.

I am using the legal definition of the term terrorist. The rest of your statement is a non sequitur.
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and lets not miss the fact that the word "terrorist" has been hyper-politicized over the last 20 years to loosely mean "anyone who the government wants to get rid of".   The US has constantly called groups terrorists and then armed them and supported them in later conflicts when they needed their help.
legendary
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i bet tecshare has very little education on what was happening in europe when facism was spreading.  if he did he would never link todays shit for brains that are burning down the country to the antifacists that were resisting hitler and mussolini.
I am not linking it, the smooth brains burning shit down are.

Fascism is a super nationalist, authoritarian political ideology that.  Fascism is explicitly against democracy.

(Powerful military) + (Dictator that doesn't hesitate to use it to destroy any person, group, country or race that stands between them and more power) = (Fascism)

This is what the anti fascist in Europe during the early 20th century were resisting.

By making this claim about the modern American Antifa:

They are in fact an international organization, and they have been in Europe since the 20's.

You are not only legitimizing them, you're disrespecting those that fought against fascism and implying that Trump is actually fascist.


tldr;
My opinions that I'm sure TECSHARE actually agrees with:
Anti fascist movement in Europe during first half of 20th century == good.  
The American political movement that is referred to as 'Antifa' == bad.
Hitler and Mussolini == fascists
Trump !== fascist (ty US constitution)

That is a really half assed definition of fascism do you could shoehorn Trump into it. What nazis remain in the US are small in number, a joke, and almost totally ineffectual. I am also willing to bet a large number of those are federal agents doing surveillance. ANTIFA on the other hand has been a growing problem engaging literally in terrorism for some years.

Legal definition of terrorism:

"As used in this chapter—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;"

I go down that list and the organization known as ANTIFA checks all of those boxes.

I am not disrespecting them, these protofascist cunts that call themselves ANTIFA are by LAARPing revolutionary while the literally burn the country down as if that will brig social justice. They are just a mob of idiots suffering delusions of grandeur and pretending to be revolutionaries while they assault, murder, and burn things down.



you really need to have some mush in your brain to say that  :

Anti-fascist = terrorist

And then on the other hand :
White supremacists = not terrorists  (even when they shoot 50 kids in a college campus)
Nazi = Not terrorists   (even when they shoot 50 kids in a college campus)
Klu klu klan = not terrorsits  (even when they lynch/ hung american citizen)


Anyway, AntiFa members are Americans, so Americans are terrorists (right ? it is not me that say it, it is Trump).
Trump is American, antifas are Americans,  hence Trump is a terrorist.

Thanks, Trump you are definitely making the world a better place

I can call myself Prince Abdul Superman Duke of York. That doesn't make me any of those things. The logic you are using here is beyond simplistic.


Klu klu klan = not terrorsits  (even when they lynch/ hung american citizen)

Fun fact:
TECSHARE considers progressives more racist than any member of the Klu Klux Klan.


edit: actually there's nothing fun about that.

Any member of the KKK? No. Most members of the KKK? Quite possibly. The KKK has been castrated many years ago and is mostly today just a bunch of ineffectual rednecks. Some of them are even doing community work now. ANTIFA is churning out extremists assembly line style. Lets look at some common progressive beliefs and tell me which ones aren't racist.

-Minorities are incapable of achieving things on their own so they need special help form white people to help them succeed

-Only white people can be racist

-Support Planned Parenthood which by far ends the lives of mostly black children by the millions and was created by an open eugenicist Margaret Sanger.

-They believe in a "Hierarchy of Identities" also known as a "Progressive Stack" which is used at speaking events which automatically gives priority to the "most oppressed" based on race, gender, sexuality, etc.

-Support entitlement programs that make minorities dependent and break up families

-Support gun control which was originally designed to disarm free slaves in the USA

-Support illegal immigration which overwhelmingly harms black workers

There is a lot more, but this is enough for what is arguably off topic from the conversation. Progressives use accusations of racism as a thin veneer to cover for their own perpetration of it and to hide from the guilt of the results of the racist ideologies they support.







Weren't Americans fighting facists in WW2? Should they also punish the veterans retroactively?

I can call myself a WW2 veteran just like I can call myself an "antifascist". That doesn't magically make me either one of those things.



So the violent extremist left has killed off the old Antifa, skinned it, and wears that skin as a shroud to ward off complaints about it's intents and purpose.

The Left has done this sort of thing many times. It's nothing new.

Only purpose "Antifa" has ever had is to oppose fascists. Antifa is a wide spectrum of people, literally anyone opposing fascists can call themselves antifa. And i wouldn't call people burning buildings "left side" because left side wants a big government and often comply with rules without any hesition, (wearing masks etc), so destroying govenrment property doesn't suit that ideology. People who are burning buildings are frustrated and that frustration doesn't need to have anything to do with right/left axel.

Also antifa doesn't have "leaders" so it's hardly organization or has a spokesman. Rounding up some activists that happen to oppose Facism as well as many other things doesn't do anything to this mystical "Antifa".

So sue me, i am antifa.

ANTIFA are what have been described as "useful idiots" in the past. They adorn themselves in the heroic mythology of fighting fascism, when in reality their actions demonstrate them to be everything they claim to hate. ANTIFA does in fact have leaders, organizations, and spokesman as I have already documented. Most ANTIFA members are not just activists, they are extremists who perpetrate criminal violence, and are by definition terrorists.



Weren't Americans fighting facists in WW2? Should they also punish the veterans retroactively?

So the violent extremist left has killed off the old Antifa, skinned it, and wears that skin as a shroud to ward off complaints about it's intents and purpose.

The Left has done this sort of thing many times. It's nothing new.

Exactly. The left, and communists especially are very fond of rebranding. That is why the phrase "that wasn't real communism" has become such a joke and a cliche, because they are constantly just renaming themselves while perpetrating the exact same ideologies. It is a constant game of redefinition of terms rather than changing of policy and ideology in order to escape culpability for their actions. This is at the core of communist/Marxist ideology to infiltrate organizations and identities and subvert them toward communist/Marxist goals at the expense of the original intent of the group/identity. Once they are exposed, they abandon that identity, and move on to the next.
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