Topic: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' - page 18. (Read 3276 times)

Over 4,000 arrests have been made as of last night:
https://apnews.com/55933b8695e36337a6bfe96728b3e7f3

There's plenty of footage showing that many of the arrests were peaceful and made for violating the curfew or having an unlawful assembly.  The cops get loud speakers and say 'if you don't leave right now, you will be arrested', people don't leave and when it's their turn they cooperate and are booked into jail or processed and released with a court date.  I can't find any numbers showing how many arrests were for crimes other than curfew violation/unlawful assembly, but I would guess it's the majority of total arrests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADPqJ8LPd68
https://abc7.com/more-than-900-arrested-after-looting-fires-sweep-socal-amid-protests/6224201/


I'm trying to find a politician that is calling police to not arrest rioters, but can't.  I'm seeing lots of statements condemning violence and looting while also supporting peaceful protests and condemning all the footage of police abusing their power during protests.

Just like there are some protesters taking advantage of the situation and doing things that normally would be impossible to get away with, the same is true for police.  Both should be condemned and neither should be used as evidence of the way all cops and protesters are behaving.

I assume you're referring to the governor, who made it pretty clear he couldn't confirm it and his suspicion was based on national reports.  He also walked back his estimate that 80% being out of state when the arrest data came out.[/quote]


Most are not being arrested, yes.  But thousands are and many are basically volunteering to be arrested for violating curfew.

Here's a good article on the Minnesota freedom fund which seems to have collected the most money over the past few days: https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/29/21274665/minneapolis-protests-minnesota-freedom-fund-twitter-bail

Very well could be antifa.  Wouldn't be surprised if the Bricks belonged to the owner of the closest building which had scaffolding up either.

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tldr; Most cops are good, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  Most of the protesters are good people, but the few who aren't will get the most attention.  The problem is that the peaceful protests going on are boring...except this one, so most of the attention is just going towards the bad causing outrage.

more americans need to farm their own crops like in a ordinary third world country

They are clearly unhappy though.

You don't need to have any hidden motives to see that.

These people don't only damage properties.

They steal too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIOwreHwCiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qvXQU9R5Aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzSyTwODslE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIPmOs6pC_c

They suuuurely ain't look happy.

current riot was a racist power demonstration.

democrats showed that they can start nationwide riots for a killed black criminal,

and that will be a good reason for the coming trump dynasty to hunt down democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

So how many people were killed this weekend? In 1992 riots that happened just in LA 69 people died.  It seems to me that media simply exaggerate with current riots. Democrats and Republicans are using it for their promotion or better to mock the other side. For sure also other countries that did not got much love from USA in the past are using the riots. Promoting how people in USA are unhappy.  Just like USA media claims about people in Hong Kong or Iran or Venezuela or North Korea or ....   What is happening right now is totally normal. It is actually very mild for a militant society as is USA. Where are all the guns that people own in USA? Bows and swords and stones. What is this an Iron age. Come on!!!

mark my word, trump will soon get the democrats to be publicly considered as the dirty and racist and unamerican party, and then he will end the 2 party system and make america a 1 party dictatorship like china

Police in the majority of cities are not arresting rioters, except in the most egregious cases, and this is not even happening all the time.

If you look at who is defending who and whose statements have been debunked, you should get an idea as to what is true. On the left, politicians are directing police to not arrest rioters and are in some cases defending them. They are being called out for what they are on the right.

In Minnesota, elected officials had said that over 80% of rioters were from out of town and that White supremacy groups are instigating the riots, however arrest records show that most arrested are not from out of the state.

There are also many on the left that are donating money to those arrested to post bail, and again, most rioters are not getting arrested, let alone protestors. To me, money speaks louder than words, if White suppremists were out there rioting, those on the left would not be defending the riots, and they would not be giving money to get them out of jail.

Also, to prove a point about the funding of Antifa, there are videos of people going to piles of bricks in the middle of cities. How would a pile of random bricks get to the middle of a street?  Here is an example
https://mobile.twitter.com/fleccas/status/1267326702771793920

There's lots of money being raised to bail people out of jail.  But don't assume that the people raising it, or the people donating support antifa or are encouraging violence though.  Many people are being peacefully arrested minutes after curfew as an act of civil disobedience, paying their bail is one way to show them support.  

In general I think now more than ever is a time to be skeptical of anymedia report or political statement.  We're witnessing a propaganda battle from both sides that's in many way similar to what happened in New England during the late 1760s.  Protests, riots, and civil disobedience, followed by both sides spreading as much propaganda as possible about the events to make the other side look as evil as possible with little regard for the truth.  All that matters is you convince as many people as possible that whichever side you're on behaved honorably and the other side were horrible villains.

I don't mean to imply that the current 'left' or 'right' are the same as either the loyalists or patriots.  I'm not really confident in any of my assumptions on what's actually happening - just hoping this is all over soon.  It's sad to watch.

Here is the statutory definition of the types of support that would be prohibited if anifta was designed a terrorist organization. The punishment for providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization faces 20 years in prison, or a life sentence if their support can be attributed to the death of someone.

I don't think wearing an antifa tea shirt would qualify, however, I also don't think antifa has tea shirts, as from what I have heard on news reports, and read on news reports, they like to keep their identities secret, and use violence to prevent anyone from filing them. My understanding is they primarily engage in violence and intimidation of citizens. I also understand they have operated in Washington state for quite some time with impunity, in broad daylight. This implies they have some politicians in their pockets who are preventing them from being prosecuted.

You are not able to have riots in many cities across the US all starting on the same day (Friday) without funding. Airline prices (and hotel) are low right now, so the cost of getting professional protestors into place may be cheaper than it would normally be. I have heard on the news that police have found numerous cars with "stashes" of rioting supplies that rioters were going to in order to cause damage in multiple cities. This implies they are fairly well funded.

I also know there are some "freedom funds" that are being used to bail out people who are arrested. This may also fall under the above-referenced definition of "support".

Interesting.  The threat of aggressive prosecution seems like it would be the most effective way to reduce crime.  From what I can tell antifa is more of a movement than any sort of organization though. No real structure or evidence that they are well funded.  My guess is they just organize themselves online and agree when and where to show up ready to create chaos.  

Even if they were an organization, wouldn't it be unconstitutional to make it a crime to 'support' them as  in: wear an Antifa t-shirt or hold an antifa sign at a protest?  You'd have to actually give them money or train them to do something illegal...which is already illegal (something like aiding and abetting).  Just making it illegal to protest or show support would be....facism...right?

For the record, fuck them.  I don't want anyone to confuse my questioning of what can be done to stop them with empathy for this particular group.  Their way of doing things is only damaging the values they claim to be fighting for.  I'm also not convinced that they are 'behind' these protests.  I could be wrong, but I think it's more likely that they are a relatively small group that is basically hijacking the protests.  I'm not on the ground, and never will be, but I am physically very close to some of the protests that have been making headlines.  From what I've heard the overwhelming majority of protesters are not looking to cause violence or destruction.  Pushing the whole 'these protests are left wing extremists' narrative is very dangerous to do if it's not true.  It will only silence and scape goat the non-leftwing-extremists that are protesting.



Agree with you both.  The guy didn't deserve anything more than a hard tackle.  Maybe throw his arrows into a river or something.

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His face when the camera started rolling:


His face after the attack:

ANTIFA is not an organization. There is no member list.  No training or practices.  it simply means- "Anti Fascist" so now anyone who opposes fascism can be labeled as a terrorist, stripped of all rights and held without trial.  

Again, you don't know what happened before the camera started rolling. The rioters are blocking traffic, trapping him there, and you can clearly see his bumper is smashed in from the video. There are tons of videos of people attacking passing vehicles doing nothing but trying to get to their destination, but yeah, it is actually a wild conspiracy theory to say he was attacked first.

That's why I said "depending on the circumstances" and "how real his threat was or what provoked it" but you chose to read only 3 cherrypicked words from my post. It's not at all clear that he was defending from anything. And just as torching a car is not an adequate reaction to someone pointing a bow and arrow, pointing a bow and arrow is not an adequate reaction to people passing by, which is what the videos appear to show.


I didn't say that. Quite the opposite.

I don’t think knocking him out would be justified. Maybe knocking him down. Given the number of people that swarmed him, he was probably no longer a threat before the first punch was thrown from the front.

It seemed pretty clear to me he was attempting to defend himself, but you are right, maybe a mob really did need to beat the shit out of him and burn his car for their own protection.

If he was actually threatening to shoot people with an arrow then he needed to be restrained. Or would you prefer that someone shot him with a handgun instead?

Fuck you. He didn't deserve ANY of that, and you even insinuating he did makes you a total piece of shit.

He may have deserved some beating (or rather restraining) depending on the circumstances - it's hard to tell from the choppy videos how real his threat was or what provoked it. Certainly didn't deserve a skateboard to the head though. Certainly didn't deserve his car torched even if it's a Dodge Caliber. It looks like people lose all sense of perspective or restraint when there's more that a few in one place. Knock him out, take away his bow, anything beyond that is just savagery.

This depends on if Trump is designating them a foreign terrorist organization or a domestic terrorist organization.

The qualifying factor appears to be that ANTIFA is a "foreign organization". It is unclear based on my initial research what the definition of a "foreign organization" is.

If they are designated a domestic terrorist organization, the designation appears to be largely symbolic. It would probably get some people to think twice before giving money, or other support to Antifa. It is also a signal to Antifa members that the feds are watching and are going to be bringing charges against Antifa members who engage in terrorism, which hopefully will get them to think twice before continuing to engage in terrorism. Antifa often operates in very liberal cities where law enforcement policies effectively allow them to wreak havoc without consequence. Bill Bar said anyone who crosses state lines, or uses the interstate system to commit a crime is committing a federal crime, which means that anyone using interstates to travel or purchase supplies could be charged with a federal crime. He may also extend the theory for people who use the internet to communicate to commit a crime, or the banking system to purchase supplies to commit a crime. I think both of these may or may not hold up in court, but they have the potential to scare people out of continuing to engage in terrorism.

Classifying Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization would have serious, real consequences. Their assets would be frozen, and anyone giving them support would be committing a serious crime.

I would not be surprised if Antifa is receiving money from foreign governments, and foreign people. It is also likely that Antifa's messages are being amplified by foreign governments on social media. I am not sure if either of these would be sufficient to classify Anifta as a "foreign terrorist organization", or if it would hold up in court. If they are classified as a foreign terrorist organization, I suspect a handful of members of congress and some in the liberal media will likely end facing charges.

Pointing a bow and arrow is not something that would justify beating the man. Self-defense is limited to removing the threat of harm, which was about 2 seconds after he was first hit by the mob. Setting his car on fire was completely unjustified under any circumstances.

First the story was he was indiscriminately shooting protestors with a bow and arrow, then it was he was aiming at protestors, now it is he got out of his car so it is his fault a mob beat the shit out of him? Are you even looking at what you are justifying right now? Don't try to tell me you aren't because that is exactly what you are doing.

I also like how some how magically you know for sure what happened before the camera started rolling too as if it is TOTALLY UNTHINKABLE his car was being vandalized while he was trapped while they block traffic, and he was being threatened well before any of this happened. Of course any time shit like this happens the story just quietly gets rolled back, no one apologizes, and everyone just quietly pretends it happened like they were told. Then the rage bait that resulted from it remains, and he remains bloody and bruised while demonized by millions of retards looking for any excuse to unleash their cognitive dissonance. Such big tough guys mobbing up on a scared old man and beating the shit out of him. Clearly this is to be defended.