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legendary
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July 16, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
Bring 1000 of those economic migrantsband settle them next to clooney home, he moves, being new migrants... bring then in beverly hills and the hamptons.

Great idea. Those who support importing these terrorists must pay for their upkeep. Why should the hardworking American citizens pay for the fantasies of a few libertards living inside their posh gated societies?
sr. member
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July 16, 2017, 03:23:03 PM
Bring 1000 of those economic migrantsband settle them next to clooney home, he moves, being new migrants... bring then in beverly hills and the hamptons.
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July 16, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
....how do you fuck over all the grandmas and grandpas in all this? jokes aside, its obviously a close relationship in American society, and we have intergenerational cohabitation in some homes, I lived with my gma for a little while when I was a kid.

Ah, the tossing granny off the cliff argument?
It seems to me that this is already too much. If there are any political circumstances to hate her sympathize with one of the candidates or some other politician, then this is the right of every person. It seems to me that American society is very free to express itself. The fact is that they have long been accustomed to this and I think that this should be reconciled.
legendary
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July 16, 2017, 09:06:14 AM
....how do you fuck over all the grandmas and grandpas in all this? jokes aside, its obviously a close relationship in American society, and we have intergenerational cohabitation in some homes, I lived with my gma for a little while when I was a kid.

Ah, the tossing granny off the cliff argument?
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July 16, 2017, 08:08:17 AM
Doesn't the result of small businessmen in the USA, fracking, and driving world oil prices down below $50, breaking the back of OPEC oil price rigging, mean something?

Doesn't it mean the US is not behind secret deals and politics in the Middle East?

The previous American government encouraged fracking, in order to bring down the crude oil prices, and thereby bankrupting Russia. They thought that Russia will not last for more than one or two years. But even after more than three years, Russia is going strong.  
Even though they encouraged fracking, its been of great benefit for the entire world,  crude related products are very low and consumers are happy about that, Though not a fan of the previous US government i laud that initiative.
legendary
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July 15, 2017, 10:28:51 PM
Doesn't the result of small businessmen in the USA, fracking, and driving world oil prices down below $50, breaking the back of OPEC oil price rigging, mean something?

Doesn't it mean the US is not behind secret deals and politics in the Middle East?

The previous American government encouraged fracking, in order to bring down the crude oil prices, and thereby bankrupting Russia. They thought that Russia will not last for more than one or two years. But even after more than three years, Russia is going strong.  
legendary
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July 15, 2017, 11:49:58 AM
#99

Also,
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Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, wrote separately to say they would have revived Mr Trump’s travel ban in full. The “compromise will burden executive officials with the task of deciding—on peril of contempt— whether individuals from the six affected nations who wish to enter the United States have a sufficient connection to a person or entity in this country”, they wrote, and will invite “a flood of litigation”. And, Justice Thomas added, the very judges that blocked Mr Trump’s travel ban would probably be the ones considering whether a potential traveler has a “bona fide” reason for being excused from it.

I'm sure the judges that blocked the ban aren't going to enforce it in this circumstance. 'Bonafide'.

Cheesy

Lawyers for the Trump administration went back to the Supreme Court again late Friday in the ongoing battle over President Donald Trump's travel ban -- this time asking the justices to resolve the uncertainty created by last month's ruling on which foreign nationals are exempt from the ban.

The Supreme Court decided in June that the travel ban must not apply to those people with a "bona fide connection" to a person or entity in the United States while the case is pending full argument this fall. The justices further explained that for "individuals, a close familial relationship is required."
A federal judge in Hawaii ruled Thursday, however, that the administration's decision to keep out some foreign nationals with close family members (like grandparents) but not others (like spouses) defied common sense, and was not in line with the spirit of the Supreme Court's decision.
Justice Department lawyers argued in Friday night's motion that the justices should now clarify what they meant in June and, in the meantime, place an immediate freeze on the lower court's decision.
"The district court's interpretation of this Court's ... ruling distorts this Court's decision and upends the equitable balance this Court struck," lawyers said in the motion. "And the district court's sweeping interpretation of 'close familial relationship' ... to encompass a wide range of distant relatives -- including cousins, uncles, and siblings-in-law -- effectively eliminates the 'close' requirement and has no basis in this Court's ruling."
Justice Clarence Thomas predicted in June that the Court's "compromise" decision would prove unworkable.

The justices may ask for the state of Hawaii to respond to the Justice Department's motion before issuing a decision on the latest dispute.


In retrospect, I dont think they handed him a win on this. what they did hand him was a political time bomb, the opportunity to drop the ball a third time regarding the travel ban. Mr. Thomas told us this, but we failed to listen I see. at this point, im almost hoping you guys do deliver on healthcare, its been a rough week/month/quarter/whole administration for the guys in the WH. Insert bigly joke.

so, thoughts? you cant really argue the logic on this, although this is clearly obstructionist in nature. they just have a point; how do you fuck over all the grandmas and grandpas in all this? jokes aside, its obviously a close relationship in American society, and we have intergenerational cohabitation in some homes, I lived with my gma for a little while when I was a kid.
legendary
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July 04, 2017, 03:09:59 AM
#98
The oil industry is gradually becoming irrelevant in the modern world, due to the number of electric cars in the system, the other oil producing countries should just come and reduce production cost, that will cause a small shortage in the international world and drive up the price of oil once again.

The electric cars are having close to zero impact. Due to their high cost, the electric cars are unaffordable to the vast majority of the vehicle owners. Now coming back to the topic, what has caused the irrelevance of the oil industry (and OPEC in particular) is the expanding role of the American shale oil producers.
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July 03, 2017, 02:24:37 PM
#97
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.

So to wrap it all, US is behind all these crises.  I am near to believe that the US is behind every terrorist.  That they funded them to gain control on the Middle East countries because these countries are rich in oil.  ....

Besides, look at what the US Fracking industry has done. Driven the price of oil down below $50 a barrel. Created energy independence for the USA.

The oil industry is gradually becoming irrelevant in the modern world, due to the number of electric cars in the system, the other oil producing countries should just come and reduce production cost, that will cause a small shortage in the international world and drive up the price of oil once again.
legendary
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July 03, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
#96
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.

So to wrap it all, US is behind all these crises.  I am near to believe that the US is behind every terrorist.  That they funded them to gain control on the Middle East countries because these countries are rich in oil.  ....

Besides, look at what the US Fracking industry has done. Driven the price of oil down below $50 a barrel. Created energy independence for the USA.
That these oil tycoons themselves regulate prices in the market in hand practically, and no one else will be able to influence oil. But nevertheless, I noticed that Despite the fact that oil is cheaper, gasoline and other fuels are still rising in price. I do not know why such a trend persists and to whom it is profitable.

Doesn't the result of small businessmen in the USA, fracking, and driving world oil prices down below $50, breaking the back of OPEC oil price rigging, mean something?

Doesn't it mean the US is not behind secret deals and politics in the Middle East?
sr. member
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July 03, 2017, 12:47:43 PM
#95
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.

So to wrap it all, US is behind all these crises.  I am near to believe that the US is behind every terrorist.  That they funded them to gain control on the Middle East countries because these countries are rich in oil.  ....

Besides, look at what the US Fracking industry has done. Driven the price of oil down below $50 a barrel. Created energy independence for the USA.
That these oil tycoons themselves regulate prices in the market in hand practically, and no one else will be able to influence oil. But nevertheless, I noticed that Despite the fact that oil is cheaper, gasoline and other fuels are still rising in price. I do not know why such a trend persists and to whom it is profitable.
legendary
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July 03, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
#94
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.

So to wrap it all, US is behind all these crises.  I am near to believe that the US is behind every terrorist.  That they funded them to gain control on the Middle East countries because these countries are rich in oil.  ....

Besides, look at what the US Fracking industry has done. Driven the price of oil down below $50 a barrel. Created energy independence for the USA.
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July 03, 2017, 06:30:47 AM
#93
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.

So to wrap it all, US is behind all these crises.  I am near to believe that the US is behind every terrorist.  That they funded them to gain control on the Middle East countries because these countries are rich in oil.  If they have control with it then maybe they would be really the super country in the world.  They stir up these countries because they cannot handle it.  Besides, according to what I have read, US have many debts.
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July 03, 2017, 06:15:47 AM
#92
And the Supreme Court has no brought it back under an unanimous decision of the justices, they also came out and said that the federal courts under them had been overreaching their boundaries and shouldn't have done this. So I would be considering this a big win for the GOP and Trump in general.

Surprising to see the extreme-left judges such as Darth Vader Ginsburg not expressing dissent with the ruling. Leftist judges have always interpreted the constitution to suit their own views, and have repeatedly over-reached their boundaries.

Apparently they reached a hard limit to the boundaries this time around.

District court judges telling POTUS what he can and cannot do?

There's quite obviously a serious problem there.

Trump has no idea what he can or cannot do, should and shouldn't do, etc. In fact he has no idea about what he's doing at any time. He's like a small child or a pet.
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July 03, 2017, 06:14:26 AM
#91
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.

Was Iran there ? No, of course. He caused the crisis with Qatar with that "get together" where he sided with the worst of radical islamists, against more moderate (but not good, don't get me wrong) Iran. Now a war with Iran is very possible because of Trump.
legendary
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June 29, 2017, 09:12:14 PM
#90
And the Supreme Court has no brought it back under an unanimous decision of the justices, they also came out and said that the federal courts under them had been overreaching their boundaries and shouldn't have done this. So I would be considering this a big win for the GOP and Trump in general.

Surprising to see the extreme-left judges such as Darth Vader Ginsburg not expressing dissent with the ruling. Leftist judges have always interpreted the constitution to suit their own views, and have repeatedly over-reached their boundaries.

Apparently they reached a hard limit to the boundaries this time around.

District court judges telling POTUS what he can and cannot do?

There's quite obviously a serious problem there.
legendary
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June 29, 2017, 08:49:24 PM
#89
And the Supreme Court has no brought it back under an unanimous decision of the justices, they also came out and said that the federal courts under them had been overreaching their boundaries and shouldn't have done this. So I would be considering this a big win for the GOP and Trump in general.

Surprising to see the extreme-left judges such as Darth Vader Ginsburg not expressing dissent with the ruling. Leftist judges have always interpreted the constitution to suit their own views, and have repeatedly over-reached their boundaries.
legendary
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June 29, 2017, 04:57:35 PM
#88
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !

He's caused a crisis? Bull.

Hillary Clinton caused a crisis. Obama caused several crises.

Trump got the ME leaders together quite nicely recently.
legendary
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June 29, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
#87
And the Supreme Court has no brought it back under an unanimous decision of the justices, they also came out and said that the federal courts under them had been overreaching their boundaries and shouldn't have done this. So I would be considering this a big win for the GOP and Trump in general.

Probably going to be something that's gonna set a precedence with the federal courts and executive actions of this order as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/us/politics/supreme-court-trump-travel-ban-case.html - Here's the NY Times article.

After being bitch slapped like that, if liberal district court judges try something similar again they could easily be impeached.
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June 29, 2017, 11:46:41 AM
#86
Five months in and Trump still hasn't figured out "what's going on" ? In fact he has caused a crisis in the Middle East that could cause a regional war (another one) by playing buddies with Saudi Arabia, the main people responsible for radical Islam's existence !
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