No scamming happened. You're lying.
Bidding on your own action is unethical, as you admitted a couple quotes above.
I also understand any person I negative trust will go out of their way to call me a liar, even though I am very honest.
Topic: Trust system abuse / DT2 member Vod is provably dishonestly rating people - page 22. (Read 5825 times)
June 04, 2018, 05:50:57 PM
Bidding on your own action is unethical, as you admitted a couple quotes above.
I also understand any person I negative trust will go out of their way to call me a liar, even though I am very honest.
June 04, 2018, 05:47:24 PM
You bid on your own auction. Factual. You said you don't believe it is untrustworthy Factual. Roll Eyes
Yes, I bid on my own auction. Yes, I don't see it as untrustworthy. When have I ever claimed anything else?
I wrote that in my feedback You said feedback was not factual. You lied.
Your feedback to me states: "Scammed other users by bidding on his own auction. States he does not believe this is unethical. Also admitted to me in PM he lied about this matter."
No scamming happened. You're lying.
I state there's nothing unethical in auctioneer bidding on the held auction, when it's done transparently and without obscurity. It's called hidden non-disclosed reserve price and is common practice around world in various auctions. This claim is the only non-lie in your rating.
I have not admitted any "lying" to you via PM or in public. You're lying. (you misunderstood me, I tried to tell you, you blocked me. Maturity points to you.)
June 04, 2018, 05:44:55 PM
If I was you, OP
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Dear community I have done a mistake by bidding on my own public bidding thread and did not realize that it was wrong.
However now I have realized, it was unethical and should not have done it.
I apologize to all participants and to the community publicly. I will be more open and will clearly announce my intentions properly before any bidding I start or auctions I may place.
Now to Vod, i was little stubborn before, but now since I have realized can we please neutralize the trust. I already promised it won’t happen again.
However now I have realized, it was unethical and should not have done it.
I apologize to all participants and to the community publicly. I will be more open and will clearly announce my intentions properly before any bidding I start or auctions I may place.
Now to Vod, i was little stubborn before, but now since I have realized can we please neutralize the trust. I already promised it won’t happen again.
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I did a mistake as I did an uncommon thing. It was two years ago. There is nothing untrustworthy in what I did whatsoever. There's nothing immoral or unethical in auctioneer bidding on the auction, transparently so everyone knows and sees what's happening. It's called hidden non-disclosed reserve price and is a commonly done thing around the world in various auctions.
Vod has harassed me, abused his position and keeps on blatantly lying about me to whoever listens to and trusts him.
I am not licking Vods ass because he is threatening me.
June 04, 2018, 05:44:09 PM
Yes, I bid on my own auction. Yes, I don't see it as untrustworthy. When have I ever claimed anything else?
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However now I have realized, it was unethical and should not have done it.
(I originally thought Anduck has posted this, but it turned out to be an example message from another user.)I always say, when you lie, you need a good memory.
June 04, 2018, 05:43:34 PM
You bid on your own auction. Factual. You said you don't believe it is untrustworthy Factual. Roll Eyes
Yes, I bid on my own auction. Yes, I don't see it as untrustworthy. When have I ever claimed anything else?
I wrote that in my feedback You said feedback was not factual. You lied.
June 04, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
If I was you, OP
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Dear community I have done a mistake by bidding on my own public bidding thread and did not realize that it was wrong.
However now I have realized, it was unethical and should not have done it.
I apologize to all participants and to the community publicly. I will be more open and will clearly announce my intentions properly before any bidding I start or auctions I may place.
Now to Vod, i was little stubborn before, but now since I have realized can we please neutralize the trust. I already promised it won’t happen again.
However now I have realized, it was unethical and should not have done it.
I apologize to all participants and to the community publicly. I will be more open and will clearly announce my intentions properly before any bidding I start or auctions I may place.
Now to Vod, i was little stubborn before, but now since I have realized can we please neutralize the trust. I already promised it won’t happen again.
Click Post.
June 04, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
Vod lies. Provably. I've not lied about anything whatsoever.
I've responded to two examples in the last few posts where you lied.
You must think this forum is full of idiots.
This forum is full of people afraid to voice themselves about clear DT abuse that is happening here.
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You bid on your own auction. Factual. You said you don't believe it is untrustworthy Factual. Roll Eyes
Yes, I bid on my own auction. Yes, I don't see it as untrustworthy. When have I ever claimed anything else?
June 04, 2018, 05:38:16 PM
Vod lies. Provably. I've not lied about anything whatsoever.
I don't want to justify about this since I do not know him personally even If I knew then it's too hard to justify. But his last two points were 100% true. June 04, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
Vod lies. Provably. I've not lied about anything whatsoever.
I've responded to two examples in the last few posts where you lied.
You must think this forum is full of idiots.
June 04, 2018, 05:37:33 PM
Do you like to live in the illusion where everything you do is always right, because you never hear anything negative back? That is petty and childish behavior, and certainly not something to be expected from a DT member.
I always read my untrusted feedback.
I understand you think I am petty, childish and immature. I feel the same about you, as well as your proven dishonesty.
I guess we will have to entertain the forum with your lying BS for a while until you finally cry yourself to sleep.
I have not lied about anything. If you think otherwise, feel free to post my lies here. You told me you don't see my actions as untrustworthy. You changed your stance when your outburst happened. Keep on with the insults, it really makes you look better.
June 04, 2018, 05:35:58 PM
Having said that, this is not even your actual problem. Your problem is retaliating with a butthurt neg against a factual neutral rating AND now whining how the trust system is abused. Do you really not see the blatant hypocrisy of that?
The user dragged this into him and now he is paying the price. S/he still is not accepting that bidding on his/her own auction was not normal action!Anyway vod made up his mind and I see his points are valid.
I do not trust someone who consonantly lies.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
Vod lies. Provably. I've not lied about anything whatsoever.
June 04, 2018, 05:35:44 PM
Do you like to live in the illusion where everything you do is always right, because you never hear anything negative back? That is petty and childish behavior, and certainly not something to be expected from a DT member.
I always read my untrusted feedback.
I understand you think I am petty, childish and immature. I feel the same about you, as well as your proven dishonesty.
I guess we will have to entertain the forum with your lying BS for a while until you finally cry yourself to sleep.
His feedback is not factual. You can verify this.
You bid on your own auction. Factual. You said you don't believe it is untrustworthy Factual.
June 04, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
Having said that, this is not even your actual problem. Your problem is retaliating with a butthurt neg against a factual neutral rating AND now whining how the trust system is abused. Do you really not see the blatant hypocrisy of that?
The user dragged this into him and now he is paying the price. S/he still is not accepting that bidding on his/her own auction was not normal action!Anyway vod made up his mind and I see his points are valid.
I do not trust someone who consonantly lies.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
Update:
I have 100% support for the last two points
June 04, 2018, 05:33:18 PM
But what is unfair in that, really? At worst, it wastes peoples time when they bid and don't know about hidden reserve price.
That sounds quite unfair. Not disclosing the reserve price or even the existence thereof makes people waste their time and perhaps miss other opportunities. I can see how that makes Vod think you're not trustworthy.
Having said that, this is not even your actual problem. Your problem is retaliating with a butthurt neg against a factual neutral rating AND now whining how the trust system is abused. Seems like everyone can see the blatant hypocrisy of that except you. Take a hint.
Vod told me he doesn't think I did anything untrustworthy regarding that auction. Please read the sources linked in first post.
Vod threatened me to negatively rate me unless I changed my rating. He provably lies about our conversation. He is being intellectually dishonest by claiming to "understand" my words in the illogical way. How does that sound? Actions done by a trustworthy person?
I've heard of various other cases where DT members have threatened to wreck accounts if things didn't go the way they want. It's not really a secret here.
Well, clearly Vod now thinks you're not trustworthy regardless of what he may have thought or said in the past. His feedback seems to be factual despite how you think he arrived to that conclusion and I certainly don't trust your interpretation of the events.
Your inability to reconcile your own retaliatory feedback with your own claims of trust abuse is quite telling. You'd like to eat the cake and smear it on Vod's face too.
His feedback is not factual. You can verify this. What part of my "interpretation" do you not trust? Well, you don't need to. It's all in the thread: our private messages as they were communicated, and event timeline is not disputed. You can do your own interpretation based on the raw sources if you want.
June 04, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
But what is unfair in that, really? At worst, it wastes peoples time when they bid and don't know about hidden reserve price.
That sounds quite unfair. Not disclosing the reserve price or even the existence thereof makes people waste their time and perhaps miss other opportunities. I can see how that makes Vod think you're not trustworthy.
Having said that, this is not even your actual problem. Your problem is retaliating with a butthurt neg against a factual neutral rating AND now whining how the trust system is abused. Seems like everyone can see the blatant hypocrisy of that except you. Take a hint.
Vod told me he doesn't think I did anything untrustworthy regarding that auction. Please read the sources linked in first post.
Vod threatened me to negatively rate me unless I changed my rating. He provably lies about our conversation. He is being intellectually dishonest by claiming to "understand" my words in the illogical way. How does that sound? Actions done by a trustworthy person?
I've heard of various other cases where DT members have threatened to wreck accounts if things didn't go the way they want. It's not really a secret here.
Well, clearly Vod now thinks you're not trustworthy regardless of what he may have thought or said in the past. His feedback seems to be factual despite how you think he arrived to that conclusion and I certainly don't trust your interpretation of the events.
Your inability to reconcile your own retaliatory feedback with your own claims of trust abuse is quite telling. You'd like to eat the cake and smear it on Vod's face too.
June 04, 2018, 05:22:21 PM
me he doesn't think I did anything untrustworthy Vod threatened me to negatively rate me unless I changed my rating.
I've made up my mind on this issue. Due to continued and growing dishonestly from this user, my feedback will be permanent.
I do not trust someone who consonantly lies.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
You're being dishonest and everyone can see it. I am not at all surprised about your actions anymore. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38658847
You outburst at me, threatened me, lied about me, lied to me, slandered me, blocked me, and now you're lying to everyone who trusts your word. People are afraid to speak up against you, because their accounts will be wrecked if they do it. I've now heard this from various people in private. You're ruining your reputation when you abuse your position like this. Do you like to be feared? Do you like to live in the illusion where everything you do is always right, because you never hear anything negative back? That is petty and childish behavior, and certainly not something to be expected from a DT member.
June 04, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
me he doesn't think I did anything untrustworthy Vod threatened me to negatively rate me unless I changed my rating.
I've made up my mind on this issue. Due to continued and growing dishonestly from this user, my feedback will be permanent.
I do not trust someone who consonantly lies.
I do not trust someone who bids on their own auction.
I do not trust someone who feels such action is OK.
June 04, 2018, 05:12:19 PM
What is feeble evidence? And of what?
Linking to a site that doesn't exist, and a site that does not allow your behaviour, is feeble evidence for your defense.Since when did "general consensus" (according to you) specify what is untrustworthy, dishonest or shady?
You are the one who began the argumentum ad populum by linking to random auction sites as a defense.Vod told me he doesn't think I did anything untrustworthy regarding that auction.
The mere fact you have to keep proclaiming this suggests that even you accept that self-bidding is not 100% fair. June 04, 2018, 05:09:45 PM
I've heard of various other cases where DT members have threatened to wreck accounts if things didn't go the way they want. It's not really a secret here.
Somehow it was fine until now... but if you keep speculating “FUDs” without any proofs... you should be expecting another negative trust (from DT member) sooner or later.What do you want me to prove? Have you read this?
Account wrecking by DT members has never been fine. I've been vocal about it before. Now I'm more vocal as I am the target.
June 04, 2018, 05:06:52 PM
I've heard of various other cases where DT members have threatened to wreck accounts if things didn't go the way they want. It's not really a secret here.
Somehow it was fine until now... but if you keep speculating “FUDs” without any proofs... you should be expecting another negative trust (from DT member) sooner or later. Jump to: