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September 26, 2024, 08:01:54 AM
Fenerbahçe's opponent in the Europa League is easier than the opponent in the Süper League.
Fenerbahçe will win tomorrow, I think they will not have a hard time.
I think the Antalyaspor match is more important, if you lose this match too, Fenerbahçe will have big problems.
José Mourinho and Fenerbahçe surely going to learn from their mistakes which they have done against Galatasaray and have humiliating defeat because if they are not going to check with their mistakes things can go out of the way for them in this season now tonight we are having Royale Union which is Belgium club with their current performance is also not good but still Fenerbahçe needs to be very solid if they want to win and have good start of their campaign in Europa Cup.

Antalyaspor is also good side, but their current performance is looking not good to stop Fenerbahçe from having another win and stay into top three spots which are important for them for having some pressure on other top teams.

Now the schedule is getting busier than ever. Because the European tournaments have also started. And there are 2 more matches to be played in this phase. I hope it doesn't cause Fenerbahçe to get poor results. We have already got a derby loss. Tomorrow we play our first Europa League match and I hope we win. Only a few days later we have an away match against Antalyaspor. A win streak of 2 matches is what we need here to start recovering.  Roll Eyes
In this season we are going to have some challenging situation for the players as few already give their statements about schedule which is creating too many injuries and things are not going as we needed due to UEFA new format which increase matches and workload for the players this surely can hurt small clubs badly because they are having no luxury like big clubs with suitable replacements and things are also not good most chances we will have good start for the Fenerbahçe as they are having good depth in team with Antalyaspor game is also going to be interesting for them while they are already having some serious difference of points from other two clubs.
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September 25, 2024, 05:14:53 PM
Now the schedule is getting busier than ever. Because the European tournaments have also started. And there are 2 more matches to be played in this phase. I hope it doesn't cause Fenerbahçe to get poor results. We have already got a derby loss. Tomorrow we play our first Europa League match and I hope we win. Only a few days later we have an away match against Antalyaspor. A win streak of 2 matches is what we need here to start recovering.  Roll Eyes

Fenerbahçe's opponent in the Europa League is easier than the opponent in the Süper League.
Fenerbahçe will win tomorrow, I think they will not have a hard time.
I think the Antalyaspor match is more important, if you lose this match too, Fenerbahçe will have big problems.
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September 25, 2024, 04:39:10 PM
Now the schedule is getting busier than ever. Because the European tournaments have also started. And there are 2 more matches to be played in this phase. I hope it doesn't cause Fenerbahçe to get poor results. We have already got a derby loss. Tomorrow we play our first Europa League match and I hope we win. Only a few days later we have an away match against Antalyaspor. A win streak of 2 matches is what we need here to start recovering.  Roll Eyes
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September 25, 2024, 03:08:53 PM
Actually the galatasaray starting season with bad because of their defeat to Besiktas in the Super Cup final and also eliminated from the Champions League after being defeated by the youngboys, but the negative results they got in those matches did not affect their performance in the current league, even in the 6 matches that have been played in the league we can see how they are still able to achieve perfect victories in every game including when facing Fenerbache several past time,  last season Galatasaray managed to win the league after they left Fenerbache with a difference of 3 points at the end of the season, but this season meantime  they has run fast enough with a difference of 5 points from Fenerbache, so I think it will be difficult for their rivals this season to be able to break Galatasaray dominance in winning the Super Lig trophy.
Yes, I know they lost to Besiktas in the Super Kupa and were knocked out of the UCL by Young Boys. People who follow the news know that too, but this is the Super Lig we're talking about, so I'm not wrong to say they have had a good start to the season Cheesy. If you want to discuss Galatasaray being knocked out of UCL, you can create a discussion on UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season.
I think starting the season well is a very important because while they may look like Galatasaray is great right now, it still doesn't change the fact that they are no longer in the UCL, which would have made them have so much more money, like 10x more money if they were there, even if they lost every single game, and they lost on that because they started the season terribly, and also they already lost a cup, they could have won the super cup of domestic level and would have another cup at their trophy room as well. Sure they may end up being the champions again this season, we do not know, they look quite strong and they are doing great right now but we do not know if they will keep this up or not.

But even if they keep this up, they won't really have anything as profitable as being in the UCL, so they need to figure out how they can start the seasons better. They have no choice but to be champions again this season and go to UCL next season, it's a must financially, with the way they are spending money, not being champions could put them in so much debt that they would have to sell a bunch of players to just pay the salaries, that's all they have as alternative to being champions.
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September 25, 2024, 06:38:22 AM
Trabzonspor could not break their spell. After 4 draws in 4 matches, the Black Sea team also drew away to Gaziantep, giving them 5 draws in 5 matches. Of course it is not normal for them to draw so consistently. In the end they are unbeaten, but it's not normal for such a big team to come away with a draw in 5 games, in my opinion. Both teams had plenty of chances but failed to capitalize. This resulted in a goalless draw.
In this season we are having good changes with few top clubs are fail to keep quality and consistency which is hurting them badly right now Trabzonspor is surely currently at the bad level even they are having 5 draws from their last 5 games, but their attack is completely crap which fail to give them any good start and things are getting the worst day by day in 5 games they are having just 3 goals which are surely not good from any club like Trabzonspor which is having good history in Super League and things are surely manageable for them with their available sources, but they fail to bring improvement which can hurt them in coming weeks.

The worst team this year is Adana Demirspor. They are one of the teams I like to see most in the league, they have a very different and different style. It is nice to see Adana in the league and the team management is not the same as we are used to. But it looks like we won't see them again at the end of this year. They started the league very badly, if they continue not to win points in the coming weeks, we will be in a very bad scenario for them Smiley
Adana Demirspor is one of the most interesting team in Super League as usually they are having spots in middle and top of the League table, but this season is going to be terrible for them with things are not getting start as they needed in last six rounds they are having just 1 point against Kasimpasa and already conceded 14 goals which is clearly indicating second worst team in Super League in this season but their current performance level and quality is crap which is going to be big problem for them in coming rounds if they fail to bring improvement then surely we can lose them from Super League at the end of this season which could be worst for the Super League and Adana Demirspor fans.
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September 25, 2024, 03:56:52 AM
Galatasaray made a good start for them, I don't know how long it's been since I saw Galatasaray have a good start to a league campaign. The result of the match against Fenerbahce was also surprising for me, I didn't expect them to beat Fenerbahce so easily at Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium. Unfortunately we didn't get to see Galatasaray play in the UCL as they lost in the play-offs to Young Boys, which was quite disappointing to be honest.
Actually the galatasaray starting season with bad because of their defeat to Besiktas in the Super Cup final and also eliminated from the Champions League after being defeated by the youngboys, but the negative results they got in those matches did not affect their performance in the current league, even in the 6 matches that have been played in the league we can see how they are still able to achieve perfect victories in every game including when facing Fenerbache several past time,  last season Galatasaray managed to win the league after they left Fenerbache with a difference of 3 points at the end of the season, but this season meantime  they has run fast enough with a difference of 5 points from Fenerbache, so I think it will be difficult for their rivals this season to be able to break Galatasaray dominance in winning the Super Lig trophy.

Yes, I know they lost to Besiktas in the Super Kupa and were knocked out of the UCL by Young Boys. People who follow the news know that too, but this is the Super Lig we're talking about, so I'm not wrong to say they have had a good start to the season Cheesy. If you want to discuss Galatasaray being knocked out of UCL, you can create a discussion on UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season.
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September 25, 2024, 03:53:01 AM
It seems to me that Beşiktaş, which entered the season like a storm, is in poor form. He could not beat Trabzonspor, who played with 10 players for a long time last week, but had a hard time in front of Eyüpspor yesterday and he made the score 2-1 with a penalty goal in the 90+3 minute and got 3 points.
With this result, they ranked 3rd with a match missing.
At the end of the match, it was Tayfur Bingöl who caused the most talked about penalty. Maybe it's not Tayfur's fault in the position, but he received a lot of criticism on social media because he played for Beşiktaş last year.

Beşiktaş has a squad full of good players, but they are one of the teams with the weakest squad depth against their rivals in the league. They have a compact squad. They had a good start to the league and then their inability to win against Trabzonspor, who were missing, started to question their play. Then they failed to play a very effective game against Eyüpspor. Beşiktaş may suffer losses in the league and European Cups towards the middle of the season because they have no alternatives for their key players.
Yes, rotation is important for Beşiktaş. They have very good and key players but they have no alternatives. If one of these players gets injured, they will have a hard time replacing them. The European league is important for Beşiktaş. They may lose points in the league while saving players there. Beşiktaş is one of the teams that can be champions in the Super League this year. It is an important team that can advance and advance in Europe.

Beşiktaş has been in decline in form in the last two matches. If the most important Rafa Silva gets injured and misses a match, Beşiktaş will have a hard time.
I think, more importantly, in the European league, they may be prioritizing the Super League championship.
The squad that will play against Ajax will guide us. If he gives place to players whom he does not play much in the league, the priority is the super league.
Beşiktaş's away game against Kayseri on Monday is important. Because Kayseri has no victory yet, but I expect Beşiktaş, which is a weak team in terms of squad, to beat easily.
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September 25, 2024, 02:34:12 AM
6 wins in 6 games. What a superb start by Galatasaray in the league!  Smiley  I'm proud of my team on this and that big derby victory both. Who could have thought we would get such a certain win?

I'm getting more confident with our presence in the title race until the end day by day. Honestly I wasn't very positive about it before the beginning of the season. Because we looked really weak in the CL qualifiers.
Galatasaray made a good start for them, I don't know how long it's been since I saw Galatasaray have a good start to a league campaign. The result of the match against Fenerbahce was also surprising for me, I didn't expect them to beat Fenerbahce so easily at Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium. Unfortunately we didn't get to see Galatasaray play in the UCL as they lost in the play-offs to Young Boys, which was quite disappointing to be honest.
6 matches with 6 win and Galatasaray saved 3 full points overall at the beginning of this season, I thought Galatasaray would have difficulty winning and the possibility of the match ending in draw or win for Fenerbahce because they played at home.
But the result really surprised everyone and many people were quite disappointed with Fenerbahce performance because Mourinho failed to make Fenerbahce win against their rivals in the Turkish Super League, but this is still early and there are many opportunities for surprises or ups and downs in the performance of each team, I hope they can play more consistently in the future.

On the contrary bro, I was actually expecting Galatasaray to win that game and the worst possible scenario would have been a draw, that's just what I expected because in as much as Fernabache have a top class manager in Jose Mourinho, we shouldn't forget that Galatasaray has more quality in their ranks than this fernabache side, though some people will argue otherwise, but that's just the real fact.

Let's just take a look at the attacking threat of the Galatasarian side led by victor osimhen and merterns, on their day they can wreck havoc and destroy any team in Europe top five leagues, so tell me why they can't easily put away fernabache regardless of who is in charge as their manager? So we need to understand that right now, the Galatasarian side are way more stronger than the rest of the team in the Turkish league, but it's still early days though, injuries can still strike and disrupt the full rythme of this Galatasarian side, so we should not conclude yet, the season is still very fresh.
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September 25, 2024, 01:37:22 AM
6 wins in 6 games. What a superb start by Galatasaray in the league!  Smiley  I'm proud of my team on this and that big derby victory both. Who could have thought we would get such a certain win?

I'm getting more confident with our presence in the title race until the end day by day. Honestly I wasn't very positive about it before the beginning of the season. Because we looked really weak in the CL qualifiers.
Galatasaray made a good start for them, I don't know how long it's been since I saw Galatasaray have a good start to a league campaign. The result of the match against Fenerbahce was also surprising for me, I didn't expect them to beat Fenerbahce so easily at Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium. Unfortunately we didn't get to see Galatasaray play in the UCL as they lost in the play-offs to Young Boys, which was quite disappointing to be honest.
6 matches with 6 win and Galatasaray saved 3 full points overall at the beginning of this season, I thought Galatasaray would have difficulty winning and the possibility of the match ending in draw or win for Fenerbahce because they played at home.
But the result really surprised everyone and many people were quite disappointed with Fenerbahce performance because Mourinho failed to make Fenerbahce win against their rivals in the Turkish Super League, but this is still early and there are many opportunities for surprises or ups and downs in the performance of each team, I hope they can play more consistently in the future.
For the next European competition, Galatasaray and Fenerbahce will play in the Europa League, they must be able to play well if they want to achieve success in the European arena, but it is not easy to achieve success there because several team from other big Domestic Leagues can break the performance of Galatasaray and Fenerbahce.
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September 24, 2024, 10:44:01 PM
It seems to me that Beşiktaş, which entered the season like a storm, is in poor form. He could not beat Trabzonspor, who played with 10 players for a long time last week, but had a hard time in front of Eyüpspor yesterday and he made the score 2-1 with a penalty goal in the 90+3 minute and got 3 points.
With this result, they ranked 3rd with a match missing.
At the end of the match, it was Tayfur Bingöl who caused the most talked about penalty. Maybe it's not Tayfur's fault in the position, but he received a lot of criticism on social media because he played for Beşiktaş last year.

Beşiktaş has a squad full of good players, but they are one of the teams with the weakest squad depth against their rivals in the league. They have a compact squad. They had a good start to the league and then their inability to win against Trabzonspor, who were missing, started to question their play. Then they failed to play a very effective game against Eyüpspor. Beşiktaş may suffer losses in the league and European Cups towards the middle of the season because they have no alternatives for their key players.
Yes, rotation is important for Beşiktaş. They have very good and key players but they have no alternatives. If one of these players gets injured, they will have a hard time replacing them. The European league is important for Beşiktaş. They may lose points in the league while saving players there. Beşiktaş is one of the teams that can be champions in the Super League this year. It is an important team that can advance and advance in Europe.
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September 24, 2024, 06:10:25 PM
Trabzonspor got the players it wanted, but these players were taken by Abdullah Avcı and he was dismissed and replaced by Şenol Güneş. Now, Şenol Güneş may not be able to play the football he wants because there are no players of the type he wants. It seems like this season will be a lost year for Trabzon.
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Abdullah Avcı and Şenol Güneş are like night and day... Abdullah Avcı is a coach who likes to come out of defence with the ball and likes passing organizations. Şenol Güneş is a coach who looks for counter-attacks with the full-backs and prefers to play with target strikers...


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Kayseri, which has been struggling with financial problems in recent years, will most likely be relegated to the lower league. Of course, if there are one or two more unsuccessful results, the first thing Burak Yılmaz will resign or leave. The situation is the same for Adanadenirspor. I expect a manager change in 2-3 weeks. Hatay has already changed its coach.

There are rumors that Adana Demirspor will sign Volkan Demirel. He had a successful spell at Hatayspor but did not work with another team after that. If he signs for Adana Demirspor, we will have the chance to test his performance at Hatayspor...

Trabzonspor Team was founded by Abdullah Avcı. He formed all the players according to his own understanding of football and now Şenol Güneş is the head of the team. As you say, it's like night and day. Who will go and who will stay during the interim transfer period? Most importantly, how much loss will Trabzon suffer from this situation?

If I were Volkan Demirel, I would not go to Adanadenirspor. Because the team is struggling with financial difficulties and it is impossible for it to be successful.
In terms of his own career, it would be nice if he formed a team and coached it at the beginning of the season. It makes no sense to buy a team later.
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September 24, 2024, 05:20:11 PM
It seems to me that Beşiktaş, which entered the season like a storm, is in poor form. He could not beat Trabzonspor, who played with 10 players for a long time last week, but had a hard time in front of Eyüpspor yesterday and he made the score 2-1 with a penalty goal in the 90+3 minute and got 3 points.
With this result, they ranked 3rd with a match missing.
At the end of the match, it was Tayfur Bingöl who caused the most talked about penalty. Maybe it's not Tayfur's fault in the position, but he received a lot of criticism on social media because he played for Beşiktaş last year.

Beşiktaş has a squad full of good players, but they are one of the teams with the weakest squad depth against their rivals in the league. They have a compact squad. They had a good start to the league and then their inability to win against Trabzonspor, who were missing, started to question their play. Then they failed to play a very effective game against Eyüpspor. Beşiktaş may suffer losses in the league and European Cups towards the middle of the season because they have no alternatives for their key players.
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September 24, 2024, 05:16:08 PM
Trabzonspor got the players it wanted, but these players were taken by Abdullah Avcı and he was dismissed and replaced by Şenol Güneş. Now, Şenol Güneş may not be able to play the football he wants because there are no players of the type he wants. It seems like this season will be a lost year for Trabzon.
...

Abdullah Avcı and Şenol Güneş are like night and day... Abdullah Avcı is a coach who likes to come out of defence with the ball and likes passing organizations. Şenol Güneş is a coach who looks for counter-attacks with the full-backs and prefers to play with target strikers...


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Kayseri, which has been struggling with financial problems in recent years, will most likely be relegated to the lower league. Of course, if there are one or two more unsuccessful results, the first thing Burak Yılmaz will resign or leave. The situation is the same for Adanadenirspor. I expect a manager change in 2-3 weeks. Hatay has already changed its coach.

There are rumors that Adana Demirspor will sign Volkan Demirel. He had a successful spell at Hatayspor but did not work with another team after that. If he signs for Adana Demirspor, we will have the chance to test his performance at Hatayspor...
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September 24, 2024, 04:13:49 PM
I have heard that they have already started to spread news such as Ali Koç wanted İsmail Kartal not to sign with any other team and just wait for him. Is this really true? Huh Because I feel like it is no more than a rumour. I think İsmail Kartal wouldn't refuse a return but this can't go on like this. We have signed a world class coach and it is annoying to hear about this kind of rumours already at the beginning. Managers need time to adapt and do better.
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September 24, 2024, 03:35:10 PM
Galatasaray definitely has wings that are weak side of their play, and they are playing a totally different game compared to past two years where they are playing from the midfield, and they putting more people and even pulling wings to midfield, that way their backs could go to wings, and their wings would go to middle, and this allows them to be stronger on the centre of the field and play that way. They need to put some depth into wings or they will be in huge trouble even if just one of them gets injured.

Imagine Baris Alper Yilmaz getting injured, that kid is a Turkish national team player too, and without him they are not going to have any big success, there isn't any rotation player that can play there, it will be a huge drop in quality or the other new kid as well, Acgun who looks to be decent but not even that great and that's a starter, imagine how bad the bench player that could replace him could be. This is why they need to do some transfers in January just in case.
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September 24, 2024, 03:30:02 PM
Galatasaray have become the favorite though and their 1-3 defeat of Fenerbahce shows that they are stronger and more prepared for the task ahead. Although Besiktas have not lost any match and still remain a big threat to  who is however not leaving anything to chance.
Galatasaray are doing everything right so far and they really showing how strong they are currently, i didn’t expect them to go to Fenerbahce home ground and win them with such goal margin but shows how good they are and how well prepared they are to win the league this season. They are 5 points clear now and if they don’t relent it will be very difficult to reach them now but this is just the beginning of the season so let’s just hope they don’t experience injuries in future.

Mine is too and I have already  highlighted Galatasaray's combativity (in my previous post). The hardship builds team's character and they become stronger and stronger. BTW, they display not only individual  skills but also team's mastery, with nice playing plots in the field.  Thus I would bet on Galatasaray. Victor Osimhen is something (BTW, they confirmed to keep him  beyond loan term).
They seem like the favorites at the moment but it is still a bit early to come to conclusions if they will eventually win it. I like the way they approach games and that mentality alone can win you matches and i feel that is what is helping them, they high team spirit and the addition of Osimhen to the squad is a huge boost for them as well.
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September 24, 2024, 01:52:26 PM
To be fair, Besiktas also have world class level players with Rafa Silva and Ciro Immobile, they have some other players that are good too, but these two are amazing players and if they win that extra game they are only two points behind Galatasaray, and ahead of Fenerbahce as well. I understand that everyone expects a lot from those two, but Besiktas isn't doing that bad neither, they built a good team and doing great and have a great manager so we can at least expect them to be closer even if they somehow end up failing to win.

Galatasaray looks to be doing very strong right now, but they have a few positions that lacks depth a lot, even on Fenerbahce game they had to play a few players out of position, so it's quite important to remember that we need to focus on these three teams this season and not just two like last year.

I understand that many thinks that Osimhen could make a huge change, and of course he is great, but so far he hasn't scored even a single goal, and Mourinho was expected to make Fenerbahce awesome but we can see the results so far as well, they are not that awesome. So we need to focus on how these two could have different results without a doubt, all three have a chance.
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September 24, 2024, 01:14:02 PM
6 wins in 6 games. What a superb start by Galatasaray in the league!  Smiley  I'm proud of my team on this and that big derby victory both. Who could have thought we would get such a certain win?

I'm getting more confident with our presence in the title race until the end day by day. Honestly I wasn't very positive about it before the beginning of the season. Because we looked really weak in the CL qualifiers.

Anyway I wonder what Mourinho is thinking after this heavy derby loss. They say Ali Koç stormed in the locker room during the first half. Is it true?
Galatasaray done impressive job in first 6 rounds of this season with things were not as expected specially after their humiliated defeat against Besiktas in Super Cup, but they turn the tables and now having 18 points from 6 games with they are already scored 20 goals which is incredible performance from them even still it's long way to go for the title race but clearly now they are heading for another title with challenges could be wide open from the Besiktas and Fenerbahçe as these are also competitive sides for this season.

José Mourinho needs to think about change of strategy after having lost in this derby game which was surely not expected and mostly players were overconfident which kill them, and they faced this humiliating defeat at home.

Besiktas is doing pretty good this season along side the other two big teams of Galatasaray and Fenerbahce. I suspected that the coming of Jose Mourinho  will bring some form of serious competition and that is exactly what is happening. Galatasaray have become the favorite though and their 1-3 defeat of Fenerbahce shows that they are stronger and more prepared for the task ahead. Although Besiktas have not lost any match and still remain a big threat to Galatasaray who is however not leaving anything to chance.
Besiktas start is amazing with things are not on balance, but they are having good potential to deal with both top teams in league table their performance against Trabzonspor were not good with things are still good, and they can go through for the top spots now in coming few days they are having few challenges with first against Ajax then hosting Eintracht Frankfurt surely make life difficult, but they need to be manage all with their best power and good strategy because now they are having good chance for giving good in all events and having their best end of this season with quality and consistency.
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September 24, 2024, 01:12:06 PM
6 wins in 6 games. What a superb start by Galatasaray in the league!  Smiley  I'm proud of my team on this and that big derby victory both. Who could have thought we would get such a certain win?

I'm getting more confident with our presence in the title race until the end day by day. Honestly I wasn't very positive about it before the beginning of the season. Because we looked really weak in the CL qualifiers.

Galatasaray made a good start for them, I don't know how long it's been since I saw Galatasaray have a good start to a league campaign. The result of the match against Fenerbahce was also surprising for me, I didn't expect them to beat Fenerbahce so easily at Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium. Unfortunately we didn't get to see Galatasaray play in the UCL as they lost in the play-offs to Young Boys, which was quite disappointing to be honest.
Actually the galatasaray starting season with bad because of their defeat to Besiktas in the Super Cup final and also eliminated from the Champions League after being defeated by the youngboys, but the negative results they got in those matches did not affect their performance in the current league, even in the 6 matches that have been played in the league we can see how they are still able to achieve perfect victories in every game including when facing Fenerbache several past time,  last season Galatasaray managed to win the league after they left Fenerbache with a difference of 3 points at the end of the season, but this season meantime  they has run fast enough with a difference of 5 points from Fenerbache, so I think it will be difficult for their rivals this season to be able to break Galatasaray dominance in winning the Super Lig trophy.
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It will be difficult for Besiktas to win the league this season, especially now that Fenerbahce has a manager like Jose Mourinho and Galatasaray has a world class striker like Victor osimhem. But I like the competition that they are bringing to the table. I will say that I'm really surprised that Besiktas are really performing this good under the circumstances they found themselves.

The good thing is that Besiktas team has already known that there application of becoming the league champion has been rejected because it cannot be possible when there are two giants club ahead of them on the league, so for now no matter how improve they would be on this season that achievement is beyond there reach because they are like Arsenal who have all the quality of becoming the champion but were unable to, do to the fact that they have stronger team above them.

So actually the possibility of Besiktas wining this league depends on Galatasaray and Fenerbahce, so they would only win when this two team are no longer performing well, so it will take a very longer time before they would win the league because as for this season Galatasaray will retain there trophy because earlier before now I was finding it difficult to no the best club for the season between Fenerbahce and Galatasaray but after watching there last meeting I have understand that Galatasaray is more superior because they have have won Fenerbahce 3:1, so there is no any other club that can stand on there way now.
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