Turkish Super League 2024/25 Season - page 51.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 05, 2024, 11:25:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on November 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more

The reason referees are talked about so much in Turkey is that fans don’t trust them. There are also games in the Premier League where the refereeing is poor. For example, I still remember last year when Liverpool's goal was wrongly canceled for offside.Mourinho is a manager who enjoys criticizing referees, so he’ll keep talking about them while he's in Turkey.

Basically there are many incidents where the referee does work to lead the match unfairly and is really not transparent, this is what has always been problem in Turkish football that has existed for long time until now and has not been able to be completely resolved by the Turkiye Futbol Federasyonu (TFF).
Do you remember the incident of beating the referee, this is special reflection of Turkish football and criticism of the referee performance and it seems you are right that as long as Mourinho is here he will be the most active coach to criticize the referee performance if he feels he is referee leading the match unsatisfactorily.

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It's not really shocking that Mourinho is complaining, when things don't go well for him, he is not the one to come out and say "this was my bad", he is just finding problems in other places and that is his trick. He was a great coach once upon a time, he won so many titles, he has so many UCL titles let alone just league ones, he is a decorated coach there is no doubt about that. But for the past 5+ years, he hasn't done anything but just win conference league with Roma, and that is not a huge achievement, not a bad one neither, it's a good one, just not a huge one.

I do not see how he could do great here, the financials are tough here, and I can see that the team isn't built for his system neither. He could become awesome here if given enough time, and he will just sell players he doesn't want to use, and buy players that would fit his system better. But that would take a few years at least and I do not know if the team would be willing to wait that long.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on November 06, 2024, 07:14:29 AM

Referees problems controversies nothing new in UEFA because it's biggest part of their all system, and we can't blame only Turkish Super League for this but due to José Mourinho it's having more intention in media because under his leadership we have no development in Fenerbahçe so he is trying to bring things in limelight which are understandable for all soccer fans those well aware about him and his tactics while he is having not good results on field.
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Fenerbahçe collected 99 points in the league a season ago with a lower profile squad. Sevilla's successful striker En Nesri and Fiorentina's successful midfielder Amrabat were transferred to Fenerbahçe at the beginning of the season, but Fenerbahçe is playing worse football this season. Mourinho is in a very difficult comparison. He has to turn the projection in another direction and referees are a good tool for him...

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Quote from: Woodie on November 06, 2024, 08:23:58 AM

Quote from: Velvet78 on November 05, 2024, 11:25:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on November 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more

The reason referees are talked about so much in Turkey is that fans don’t trust them.

This issue of referees is this why Jose Mourihno was saying he will be posting these football clips for the world to judge for themselves as the poor officiating is getting out of hand..and I think this was after the Fenerbahçe vs Trabzonspor game...

If the talk by everyone is centered around the refs, the football governing body should sober up and clean this mess..it just has to start from somewhere.

What happened in the Fenerbache vs Trabzonspor match was indeed quite controversial, especially when it was seen if Mourinho showed great disappointment with the referee leadership after two penalties earned by Trabzonspor in the match, although Fenerbache managed to win 3 points in the match but Mourinho's disappointment with the referee leadership was clearly very visible, Mourinho has always been a controversial coach but what the special one said after the match was over of course I totally agree, because if we pay attention so far, the integrity of the Superlig competition is very damaged and the unfairness of the referee in leading the match often spoils the competition and the fierce matches played, so the Turkish football authorities should immediately fix the problems that exist in the league today.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 05, 2024, 11:25:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on November 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more

The reason referees are talked about so much in Turkey is that fans don’t trust them.

This issue of referees is this why Jose Mourihno was saying he will be posting these football clips for the world to judge for themselves as the poor officiating is getting out of hand..and I think this was after the Fenerbahçe vs Trabzonspor game...

If the talk by everyone is centered around the refs, the football governing body should sober up and clean this mess..it just has to start from somewhere.

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Quote from: Zlantann on November 05, 2024, 12:02:12 PM

Referees are not perfect so we should expect a few errors sometimes. Jose Mourinho is well known for his harsh criticism of referees. He would always have reasons for the loss of his side especially if there was a tight decision. The Former Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester United went as far as calling the referee " just a little boy" which I find disrespectful. He went as far as saying he wouldn't have come to the Turkish League if he was aware of the poor refereeing there. I watched the review of the game and I am sure that some of the biggest coaches in top leagues in Europe would have found it difficult to handle. Both teams were ruthless and some infringements were complex to determine.

Referees problems controversies nothing new in UEFA because it's biggest part of their all system, and we can't blame only Turkish Super League for this but due to José Mourinho it's having more intention in media because under his leadership we have no development in Fenerbahçe so he is trying to bring things in limelight which are understandable for all soccer fans those well aware about him and his tactics while he is having not good results on field.

Turkish Super league is having too many problems which needed to be fixed on professional level but sadly due to political influence they fail to bring few fair things which are surely hurting them badly and now as we were expecting good results and development things are still having not change.

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Mourinho is getting bad results in his Turkish adventure. The easiest thing for him to save the day is to talk about referees...

Nobody asks him why he doesn't give the shirt to Irfan Can Kahveci, who is playing great for the national team. Nobody asks him why he didn't adapt En Nesri to the team...

Mourinho is one of the best sophists in the world. He always finds a way to cover his flaws...

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 05, 2024, 11:25:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on November 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more

The reason referees are talked about so much in Turkey is that fans don’t trust them. There are also games in the Premier League where the refereeing is poor. For example, I still remember last year when Liverpool's goal was wrongly canceled for offside.Mourinho is a manager who enjoys criticizing referees, so he’ll keep talking about them while he's in Turkey.

Referees are not perfect so we should expect a few errors sometimes. Jose Mourinho is well known for his harsh criticism of referees. He would always have reasons for the loss of his side especially if there was a tight decision. The Former Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester United went as far as calling the referee " just a little boy" which I find disrespectful. He went as far as saying he wouldn't have come to the Turkish League if he was aware of the poor refereeing there. I watched the review of the game and I am sure that some of the biggest coaches in top leagues in Europe would have found it difficult to handle. Both teams were ruthless and some infringements were complex to determine.

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Quote from: Jossque on November 04, 2024, 04:40:46 AM

In the closing match of the week, Samsunspor will host Antalyaspor at home.Naturally, the favourite side is Samsunspor but I think Antalyaspor will make a surprise in this match.We may see that Samsunspor, which has not lost in the league for a long time, may lose in this match.Just my opinion.Antalyaspor needs to recover under Alex de Souza and this match may be a critical match for them.

Samsunspor won the match 2-0 and continued without a loss. They have a shining performance in the super league like last year's Girona performance. They also played very well against Fenerbahçe. They are one of the best playing teams and they also have incredible crowd support. This crowd support can easily take them to a better level. With this advantage, they can make it difficult for big teams in the home field.

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 04, 2024, 01:27:01 PM

Fenerbahçe beat Trabzonspor with a last minute goal and reduced the points difference with Galatasaray to 5. Had this match ended in a draw, the points difference would have been 7. With this goal, Fenerbahçe not only got 3 points but also kept their championship hopes alive. A 7 point difference would have focused everyone on Galatasaray's championship. Fenerbahçe got a very important win...

Victory over Trabzonspor is very crucial for Fenerbache to continue to maintain their chances of competing for the title, although currently Gatasaray left Fenerbache with a difference of 5 points but their hopes of becoming a rival for the title are still there considering the season is still very long, besides that of course they hope that Galatasaray will slip at least in the next few matches Grin

, But despite the current competition, of course, the victory achieved by Fenerbahçe shows that they still have a high fighting spirit and do not give up in a match, maybe to catch up with Galatasaray looks very difficult but I think it can still happen on the condition that they can maintain their performance and consistency in the next match, a difficult victory over Trabzonspor should be an evaluation for Mourinho to improve the quality of their attacking and defensive line which is currently not optimal

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Quote from: wiss19 on November 04, 2024, 04:20:02 PM

Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more

The reason referees are talked about so much in Turkey is that fans don’t trust them. There are also games in the Premier League where the refereeing is poor. For example, I still remember last year when Liverpool's goal was wrongly canceled for offside.Mourinho is a manager who enjoys criticizing referees, so he’ll keep talking about them while he's in Turkey.

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Definitely a game to look for, something that was very scary until the last moment but I am glad I won the bet. We need to remember that Mourinho is a great coach and trusting him to do the right thing is definitely not a bad idea at all, he did manage to make this work in the end.

Tough game and yes referee was the talk of the day but that seems like the common thing for the time, everyone at every team keeps talking about the referee all the time, and this is quite common for turkish league as well. Don't get me wrong, we talk about the refs a lot at premier league too, but usually not as much as this, we talk about the performance a bit more, like how players and the coach was, but this feels like not the way turkish football goes, usually here people talk about the referee and how they did more than how their own players did. In the end, it was a good three points for fenerbahce and league continues. I hope Galatasaray and Fenerbahce wins all their remainder of games for me lol.

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Obviously the game was a fun one to watch, I just watched highlights only and it looks like it's definitely a fun one without a doubt. I believe there must be a lot of fenerbahce fans who are excited after this game, and it was definitely one of the most important game in the entire season for them.

Not because what the end result was, but if they lost then the gap would be too high to close afterwards, and that is why it's better to just focus on how to get great results. All in all, we are going to see Fenerbahce and Mourinho keep trying, of course Galatasaray is a great team so it will be a tough battle, but with this game Fenerbahce showed the league that they are not ready to give up and still trying to win the title, this morale could help them with plenty of games until they get a bad result.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 04, 2024, 02:51:03 AM

There are experienced referees in the league, but how good are the experienced referees? The issue is not experienced or inexperienced referees, the real issue is the lack of good referees, they are all worse than each other. I don't think this problem will be solved, I think the only solution is foreign referees. This is the best option we have.

Even if Turkish league is not as highly talked like some other leagues but that shouldn't make them to higher an incompetent referee because what we saw on that match was totally a work of an incompetent referee, so actually like you suggested the best thing they should have done was to get a foreign referee who knows what he is doing because that kind of referee they use was supposed to officiate on a very local league and not for Turkish that has so many stars.

However could it be that the reason why those kind of referee are very many in the Turkish league was because of their low payments?, so that instead of spending much on the foreign referee they had to go for the chipper ones, however they failed to understand that it gives a good quality to a league when they have a good and experience foreign referees, so actually it was just the referee that makes the match to look a little bit uninteresting.

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Fenerbahçe beat Trabzonspor with a last minute goal and reduced the points difference with Galatasaray to 5. Had this match ended in a draw, the points difference would have been 7. With this goal, Fenerbahçe not only got 3 points but also kept their championship hopes alive. A 7 point difference would have focused everyone on Galatasaray's championship. Fenerbahçe got a very important win...

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This match was indeed full of controversy and became the focus of attention. Many people thought that, after a long spell of 2-2, the match would eventually end in a draw. However, the ref’s decision to add 12 minutes of extra time left more questions than answers. Yes, Fenerbahçe actually score the winning goal during that extra time, a move that sure sparked a lot of debate. A decision like this left many parties feeling that the employment of foreign referees could also be one of the solutions to maintain the objectiveness and quality of the match. Especially, of the match: in the second half of the league.

The prolonged extra time not only gave the game a more nervous atmosphere, it called into question the standard of refereeing and how it is supervised in the Turkish Super League.

I've been reading and listening to several opinions of sports journalists concerning the referee's decision to add extra 12 minutes in the Trabzonspor vs Fenerbahce game but just like I've concluded before trying to get external views, many are of the same of opinion with me that the referee's decision was as a result of the delays that happened in the game which makes the 12 additional time appropriate. The call by some of for foreign referees to be introduced in the Turkish Super Lig I don't think is a good one because the league should be able to raise and use local referees. The 12 minutes was for both teams to utilize it to get a late winner but the home team failed in their bid to win the game while the away team got all three points after former Manchester United midfielder Sofyan Amrabat scored in the final minute of the addition time.

Yes, local referees is not the point, but I am all for a more objective approach across all leagues. I think there is too much room left for subjective management of problematic games. It falls back on the referee and those guys don't deserve it, but they might under pressure for one reason or another. It would be better to have a rule set that rules out these subjective decisions for the sake of their own good.

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Samsunspor and Antalyaspor match should be an easy match for Samsunspor to win before the Galatasaray match, considering Antalyaspor's current situation. Antalyaspor will of course try to win this match to see the top of the rankings. Antalyaspor is close to the relegation zone, so they may part ways with Alex De Souza after a few losses. Good players may not actually make good managers, Alex De Souza is one example of this.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on November 04, 2024, 09:22:22 AM

Fenerbahçe secured a crucial 3 points by defeating Trabzonspor with a last-minute goal in the away game. Mourinho’s celebration after the goal showed how significant it was. To catch up with Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe will need to go on an extended winning streak.

The match is one of the most aggressive and intense games I have seen in the Turkish League. It produced nine yellow and referee Atilla Karaoglan was just lenient not to have issued a red card. Both teams played with so much pressure that the referee was confused most time because there were several complex infringements. Jose Mourinho needed to celebrate the game because Fenerbahce came from 2-1 down to win the game.

The Portuguese manager criticized the officials for awarding two penalties to Trabzonspor. He even said he doesn't want referee Atilla to be involved in Fenerbahce's future games. But from my observation, the first penalty looks controversial but the second one was clear. The win has moved Fenerbahce to the second position, five points below Galastataray.

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In the first 20 minutes, Trabzonspor played a pressing and intense game, they put a lot of pressure, I wondered how this match would end.
After the 20th minute, Fenerbahçe took control of the game and the squad made the difference in quality felt.
The game calmed down and Fenerbahçe started to take control of the game with Tadic. With the goal scored in the last minute, Fenerbahçe gave the message that they are still continuing for the championship.

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Fenerbahçe secured a crucial 3 points by defeating Trabzonspor with a last-minute goal in the away game. Mourinho’s celebration after the goal showed how significant it was. To catch up with Galatasaray, Fenerbahçe will need to go on an extended winning streak.

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