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Quote from: fortunecrypto on August 22, 2021, 11:54:09 PM

Quote from: uneng on August 22, 2021, 04:57:57 PM

I just think Twitch doesn't know or doesn't have how to solve this issue, so in order please their users, they simply introduced an useless restriction that isn't going to stop streamers to promote gambling in the platform, but that at same time will be useful to show their public they care for it are trying to solve this.

They have done the right thing they want a safe and clean environment and they want to be different from other streaming sites and Youtube is one of them, I have seen a lot of porn sites and gambling stream channels on Youtube, and they want parents to put them on their list as one of the safe streaming sites online, putting warning and restrictions will not work, because can easily enter by clinking agree on the warning.

Twitch is a very reputable streaming platform, most of the popular streamers that we watch are streaming there so it's the right decision that having restrictions on gambling links was implemented. Yes, gaming sites will continue to promote themselves, but I see a positive side to it, namely a healthy and user-friendly platform. Please keep in mind that some of the viewers are children or rookie gamblers who may lose their life if they are exposed to or experience gambling without first learning about the consequences.

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Quote from: uneng on August 22, 2021, 04:57:57 PM

Twitch introduced this restriction in response to lots of criticism from the platform's users who were concerned about children and vulnerable people having to access to such content, but also because (and I think it's the main reason) streamers aren't transparent when advertising casinos. It means the public never knows if they use money from their pockets or fake tokens given by the casino they promote.
This subject was already discussed here innumerous times on another threads as many members of this forum may remember. As we can see the concern really exist and became even a complainment directed to Twitch support.

I just think Twitch doesn't know or doesn't have how to solve this issue, so in order please their users, they simply introduced an useless restriction that isn't going to stop streamers to promote gambling in the platform, but that at same time will be useful to show their public they care for it are trying to solve this.

Exactly.

I think that the transparency issue is probably the last straw.

There has been a ton of affiliated streamers who are unwilling/unable to disclose the nature of their deals with the casinos that they are promoting, and as such, mislead people into thinking that they are hitting much more wins than they actually are. It's indeed unethical and a good riddance.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 22, 2021, 12:36:51 AM

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 21, 2021, 06:39:27 PM

I guess that Twitch had a difficult choice to make as well. When they allow streamers to provide bonus codes and giveaways encouraging to start gambling, I don't know in how far they could be responsible if kids below age 18 use that stuff. They would then blame the casinos, but they could as well get into trouble if they don't perform full KYC processes even before the codes could be used and kids make deposits first. Gambling is a rough area and everyone wants to get it right. All too often do authorities get involved and crack down on streamers.

I guess Twitch is not responsible for their visitor because they are only a media serving a video. They can only upgrade their algorithm and protect their site from the attacker. The content will be their audience responsibility and if the kids watch the video, they can not do anything. Twitch can only suggests adult people not to show explicit material to young people below age 18. Maybe for temporary, a decrease in their visitor will happen after that announcement but that will not stop gambling ads or video showing at that site.

No, not for watching the video, but gambling sites could get into trouble because they have to KYC everyone first. I don't know what is going to happen if an 18 year old plays on a gambling website, loses $1000 and then sues the gambling service provider. Now you might thing authorities would call that stupidness on behalf of the teenager, but I can see at least in some countries that the gambling service provider gets into trouble for not sufficiently checking out the identity in the beginning. Rules are becoming tougher everywhere.

Even though on a different topic, but there are all kinds of ways how companies can be cracked down on:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/onlyfans-bans-sexually-explicit-content.html

No more sexual content on onlyfans because banks and payment providers put the platform owners under pressure. Now you could ask why the hell that is the case, but I guess that authorities are involved. No bank accounts and you are screwed. This could happen to others as well. That's why crypto-only websites might be the safest.

Sooner or later, the authorities will realize that and will take action related to that material. And if they think that the providers are doing something illegal or use something that can attract the young generation to use that thing, they can force the providers to follow their rule. Otherwise, they can not continue their business and will get a fine from the government.

If the young generation trying to break the rule and is caught by the providers, their account can get banned from the providers and make them not play gambling anymore. Maybe the providers need to check all of their member's accounts and use KYC if they think it is necessary.

I wonder the next site that those people will use to upload their sex or gambling material after Twitch introduces restrictions to their members.

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Quote from: uneng on August 22, 2021, 04:57:57 PM

I just think Twitch doesn't know or doesn't have how to solve this issue, so in order please their users, they simply introduced an useless restriction that isn't going to stop streamers to promote gambling in the platform, but that at same time will be useful to show their public they care for it are trying to solve this.

They have done the right thing they want a safe and clean environment and they want to be different from other streaming sites and Youtube is one of them, I have seen a lot of porn sites and gambling stream channels on Youtube, and they want parents to put them on their list as one of the safe streaming sites online, putting warning and restrictions will not work, because can easily enter by clinking agree on the warning.

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Twitch introduced this restriction in response to lots of criticism from the platform's users who were concerned about children and vulnerable people having to access to such content, but also because (and I think it's the main reason) streamers aren't transparent when advertising casinos. It means the public never knows if they use money from their pockets or fake tokens given by the casino they promote.
This subject was already discussed here innumerous times on another threads as many members of this forum may remember. As we can see the concern really exist and became even a complainment directed to Twitch support.

I just think Twitch doesn't know or doesn't have how to solve this issue, so in order please their users, they simply introduced an useless restriction that isn't going to stop streamers to promote gambling in the platform, but that at same time will be useful to show their public they care for it are trying to solve this.

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Quote from: tyz on August 22, 2021, 06:02:48 AM

Interesting news. Around 1,5 months ago, I started a thread about why Twitch secretly ended crypto payments. I don't know if there's a connection, but it seems like Twitch is being a lot more restrictive now. The funny thing about this news is that gambling streams are not banned but only the sharing of links to gambling sites. There are still a lot of streams where people run slots or play poker.

I don't get their idea of banning gambling links while allowing them to broadcast or stream gambling content-related stuff. There's still the deed watchable by their viewers but the thing is, there are no more gambling links or affiliated links included. Well, that's going to be odd somehow if they're aiming to avoid people being engaged in gambling but still allowing those gambling-related streams. Impact of it in crypto, not that much to think because there are casinos that are focused only in fiat.

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Quote from: avikz on August 13, 2021, 12:52:51 AM

The latest creator update from Twitch says,

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"To prevent harm and scams created by questionable gambling services that sponsor content on Twitch, we will prohibit sharing links and/or referral codes to sites that offer slots, roulette, or dice games,”

Now streamers have time till 17th August to remove any such contents from their videos.

News ref: https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/twitch-introduces-restrictions-on-gambling-related-links

Do you foresee any Impact on crypto gambling?

I think that's a good thing that Twitch cares about their audience and wants to contribute in decreasing scams.
But at the same time I don't think it will matter much to the scammers or gambling sites or gamblers because the internet is huge.
Anybody can find an alternative for anything on the internet and so does the scammers.
Twitch is doing their part on decreasing the scam and I think many other websites will follow the suit in upcoming years.

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Quote from: iv4n on August 22, 2021, 01:39:28 AM

Nice share, I think it's the same topic, regulations are cracking down on popular streaming sites... in Twitch's case, it's gambling, in OnlyFan's case it's porn! In the first place, the government decides to be stricter, and then banks and all payment providers are under pressure to apply some regulations!

Gambling and porn are vices, but it's all normal I think! We all like to play games and have sex! And for that reason, I think that these bans will have just a temporary effect... there will be a demand for both no matter what, and when there's a demand some people will provide! Another thing, people made/making a lot of money from both services, and I don't think they will stop, they will find some way to bypass these regulations!

After the market has been created, it will not disappear anywhere due to bans or restrictions. Users will move to other platforms and continue to do what they did before. By the way, I noticed that some (apparently especially smart and understanding the perspective) users have already left OnlyFans for other services - for example, Amouranth went to Fansly.

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Quote from: avikz on August 13, 2021, 12:52:51 AM

Do you foresee any Impact on crypto gambling?

Interesting news. Around 1,5 months ago, I started a thread about why Twitch secretly ended crypto payments. I don't know if there's a connection, but it seems like Twitch is being a lot more restrictive now. The funny thing about this news is that gambling streams are not banned but only the sharing of links to gambling sites. There are still a lot of streams where people run slots or play poker.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 21, 2021, 06:39:27 PM

I guess that Twitch had a difficult choice to make as well. When they allow streamers to provide bonus codes and giveaways encouraging to start gambling, I don't know in how far they could be responsible if kids below age 18 use that stuff. They would then blame the casinos, but they could as well get into trouble if they don't perform full KYC processes even before the codes could be used and kids make deposits first. Gambling is a rough area and everyone wants to get it right. All too often do authorities get involved and crack down on streamers.

Well, for some casinos, they don't really require KYC so it's not a problem to them whether it's from a twitch streamer or someone that has just used their codes or referrals for their affiliate.
The problem is, it's out of scope already to guide check these teenagers if they've been using those codes or gambling. They're a streaming site and I guess they've resorted due to that one reason.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 21, 2021, 01:16:32 PM

Quote from: avikz on August 13, 2021, 12:52:51 AM

Now streamers have time till 17th August to remove any such contents from their videos.

This is a step in the right direction. With what has happened to them in Slovakia, it is just the most sensible thing to do if they want to keep staying in business. Those gambling streamers who make a lot of money off of referrals, will sure develop other ways they can channel those referral links after ban.

I don't think much will change. As a player at stake, I see they are continuing to stream as they did before. I am not sure just banning referral links is a huge thing because gambling streams are going on as usual. Maybe they can hammer the streamers who were faking their balance and wins.

Maybe it's time for someone from the crypto community to build a streaming platform fully focussed on crypto streamers and I believe it would be a huge success given the lack of one.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 22, 2021, 12:36:51 AM

No, not for watching the video, but gambling sites could get into trouble because they have to KYC everyone first. I don't know what is going to happen if an 18 year old plays on a gambling website, loses $1000 and then sues the gambling service provider. Now you might thing authorities would call that stupidness on behalf of the teenager, but I can see at least in some countries that the gambling service provider gets into trouble for not sufficiently checking out the identity in the beginning. Rules are becoming tougher everywhere.

Even though on a different topic, but there are all kinds of ways how companies can be cracked down on:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/onlyfans-bans-sexually-explicit-content.html

No more sexual content on onlyfans because banks and payment providers put the platform owners under pressure. Now you could ask why the hell that is the case, but I guess that authorities are involved. No bank accounts and you are screwed. This could happen to others as well. That's why crypto-only websites might be the safest.

You should read more carefully the threads before posting, we are already talking about that few posts above yours, since the one of KTChampions last thursday, it's a quite old news now, but as I said earlier the more social networks and internet are censored the more it benefits to decentralized uncensored solutions and to cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 22, 2021, 12:36:51 AM

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Even though on a different topic, but there are all kinds of ways how companies can be cracked down on:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/onlyfans-bans-sexually-explicit-content.html

No more sexual content on onlyfans because banks and payment providers put the platform owners under pressure. Now you could ask why the hell that is the case, but I guess that authorities are involved. No bank accounts and you are screwed. This could happen to others as well. That's why crypto-only websites might be the safest.

Nice share, I think it's the same topic, regulations are cracking down on popular streaming sites... in Twitch's case, it's gambling, in OnlyFan's case it's porn! In the first place, the government decides to be stricter, and then banks and all payment providers are under pressure to apply some regulations!

Gambling and porn are vices, but it's all normal I think! We all like to play games and have sex! And for that reason, I think that these bans will have just a temporary effect... there will be a demand for both no matter what, and when there's a demand some people will provide! Another thing, people made/making a lot of money from both services, and I don't think they will stop, they will find some way to bypass these regulations!

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Quote from: michellee on August 21, 2021, 09:20:04 PM

Quote from: mv1986 on August 21, 2021, 06:39:27 PM

I guess that Twitch had a difficult choice to make as well. When they allow streamers to provide bonus codes and giveaways encouraging to start gambling, I don't know in how far they could be responsible if kids below age 18 use that stuff. They would then blame the casinos, but they could as well get into trouble if they don't perform full KYC processes even before the codes could be used and kids make deposits first. Gambling is a rough area and everyone wants to get it right. All too often do authorities get involved and crack down on streamers.

I guess Twitch is not responsible for their visitor because they are only a media serving a video. They can only upgrade their algorithm and protect their site from the attacker. The content will be their audience responsibility and if the kids watch the video, they can not do anything. Twitch can only suggests adult people not to show explicit material to young people below age 18. Maybe for temporary, a decrease in their visitor will happen after that announcement but that will not stop gambling ads or video showing at that site.

No, not for watching the video, but gambling sites could get into trouble because they have to KYC everyone first. I don't know what is going to happen if an 18 year old plays on a gambling website, loses $1000 and then sues the gambling service provider. Now you might thing authorities would call that stupidness on behalf of the teenager, but I can see at least in some countries that the gambling service provider gets into trouble for not sufficiently checking out the identity in the beginning. Rules are becoming tougher everywhere.

Even though on a different topic, but there are all kinds of ways how companies can be cracked down on:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/20/onlyfans-bans-sexually-explicit-content.html

No more sexual content on onlyfans because banks and payment providers put the platform owners under pressure. Now you could ask why the hell that is the case, but I guess that authorities are involved. No bank accounts and you are screwed. This could happen to others as well. That's why crypto-only websites might be the safest.

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Quote from: mv1986 on August 21, 2021, 06:39:27 PM

I guess that Twitch had a difficult choice to make as well. When they allow streamers to provide bonus codes and giveaways encouraging to start gambling, I don't know in how far they could be responsible if kids below age 18 use that stuff. They would then blame the casinos, but they could as well get into trouble if they don't perform full KYC processes even before the codes could be used and kids make deposits first. Gambling is a rough area and everyone wants to get it right. All too often do authorities get involved and crack down on streamers.

I guess Twitch is not responsible for their visitor because they are only a media serving a video. They can only upgrade their algorithm and protect their site from the attacker. The content will be their audience responsibility and if the kids watch the video, they can not do anything. Twitch can only suggests adult people not to show explicit material to young people below age 18. Maybe for temporary, a decrease in their visitor will happen after that announcement but that will not stop gambling ads or video showing at that site.

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Quote from: jostorres on August 20, 2021, 04:09:50 PM

I think the ban was warranted given how some streamers were using illegal and fake balance to trick viewers. There is no way these streamers are always coming up with a $100k balance and losing it for fun while shouting after they win. Banning affiliate links isn't going to solve the problem totally though because they can still stream with these illegal balances and nothing is done about them.

I prefer reading reviews here in Bitcointalk than watching streams on the streaming platforms and Youtube, here in Bitcointalk you can question, support, and ask for more relevant materials about certain gambling sites, because I know that reviews here are genuine and fair these streamers are shilling the gambling sites to high heavens because they are going to make money or been paid for promoting.

You're right but a review will never show you how the game is in reality and how to play it. When you watch the streams on Twitch or Youtube you get a live demonstration of the game, moreover streamers like Eddie from Stake are giving several bonus/give away codes during their streams.

I guess that Twitch had a difficult choice to make as well. When they allow streamers to provide bonus codes and giveaways encouraging to start gambling, I don't know in how far they could be responsible if kids below age 18 use that stuff. They would then blame the casinos, but they could as well get into trouble if they don't perform full KYC processes even before the codes could be used and kids make deposits first. Gambling is a rough area and everyone wants to get it right. All too often do authorities get involved and crack down on streamers.

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Quote from: jostorres on August 20, 2021, 04:09:50 PM

I think the ban was warranted given how some streamers were using illegal and fake balance to trick viewers. There is no way these streamers are always coming up with a $100k balance and losing it for fun while shouting after they win. Banning affiliate links isn't going to solve the problem totally though because they can still stream with these illegal balances and nothing is done about them.

I prefer reading reviews here in Bitcointalk than watching streams on the streaming platforms and Youtube, here in Bitcointalk you can question, support, and ask for more relevant materials about certain gambling sites, because I know that reviews here are genuine and fair these streamers are shilling the gambling sites to high heavens because they are going to make money or been paid for promoting.

You're right but a review will never show you how the game is in reality and how to play it. When you watch the streams on Twitch or Youtube you get a live demonstration of the game, moreover streamers like Eddie from Stake are giving several bonus/give away codes during their streams.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 21, 2021, 01:16:32 PM

This is a step in the right direction. With what has happened to them in Slovakia, it is just the most sensible thing to do if they want to keep staying in business.

What happened to them in Slovakia?

Is there an issue with Twitch against the country of Slovakia?

Quote from: Davidvictorson on August 21, 2021, 01:16:32 PM

Those gambling streamers who make a lot of money off of referrals, will sure develop other ways they can channel those referral links after ban.

They sure will and if it's their main source.

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Quote from: Zilon on August 13, 2021, 01:11:05 AM

The rate of scam gambling sites keep increasing as the day goes by and I might not blame them much for their decisions. But prohibiting shared links or referral codes to sites that offer slots , roulette, or dice games will not cause any impact on crypto casinos because streamers has till 17th of August and certainly a new option will however emerge. It's a digital society and I see this as room for other hidden streaming sites to Emerge.

Usually, people who gets affected in scam sends report to authorities and to the platform these links and platforms are promoted on to lay complains and I think people have been complaining to Twitch for a while or maybe they got approached by authorities to do something about it. That's why I won't blame but the major problem with this new rule is that it'll not only affect those scam platforms but the legit and reputable ones like Stake and Sportsbet. I hope they'll revise their rules soon and it'll greatly affect steamers as well.

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Quote from: avikz on August 13, 2021, 12:52:51 AM

Now streamers have time till 17th August to remove any such contents from their videos.

This is a step in the right direction. With what has happened to them in Slovakia, it is just the most sensible thing to do if they want to keep staying in business. Those gambling streamers who make a lot of money off of referrals, will sure develop other ways they can channel those referral links after ban.

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