Twitch To Ban Gambling Streaming By October 18th. - page 8.

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Quote from: danadc on October 01, 2022, 10:25:17 AM

Quote from: bullrun2024bro on September 27, 2022, 09:27:31 AM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 26, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

I have to agree with you there. Whether you end up streaming slots or spending hours opening booster packs in the new FIFA 2023 makes absolutely no difference.

It's the same with CS-GO lootboxes, of course, which are opened by various streamers on a daily basis.

In the end all of this falls under the category of gambling. I'm pretty curious at what point Twitch draws its line. And whether we will see more bans in the future. Although I can hardly imagine that game content from FIFA or CS:GO will be banned on the platform in the future. The communities are way (!) too big.

There are people that I have seen here in the forum who are very much in agreement with these prohibitions, and I understand that they are people who do not like games of chance, that shows, but I think that this world is to accept and tolerate, it is for such reason that I don't see the bans as necessary, it all started with the live broadcasts of a person who asked for money to play, and that was enough to ban casino envoys, if they go that way it's obvious that they will ban when they play CSGO, FIFA, And anything that has to do with gaming, that's like banning players on Discord. I thought that on Twitch they lived on sponsorships, and there is no better sponsor than a casino.

Taking into account how the prohibition mostly affects cryptocurrency casinos, while the casinos that are licensed on the United States can still operate on this platform then it becomes very obvious to me that this sudden change in their policies has more to do with the government pressuring Twitch to forbid the promotion of cryptocurrency casinos, and that most likely they resisted against this move for some time but they were simply unable to take the pressure anymore and at the end they had to relent.

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Quote from: danadc on October 01, 2022, 10:25:17 AM

Quote from: bullrun2024bro on September 27, 2022, 09:27:31 AM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 26, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

I have to agree with you there. Whether you end up streaming slots or spending hours opening booster packs in the new FIFA 2023 makes absolutely no difference.

It's the same with CS-GO lootboxes, of course, which are opened by various streamers on a daily basis.

In the end all of this falls under the category of gambling. I'm pretty curious at what point Twitch draws its line. And whether we will see more bans in the future. Although I can hardly imagine that game content from FIFA or CS:GO will be banned on the platform in the future. The communities are way (!) too big.

There are people that I have seen here in the forum who are very much in agreement with these prohibitions, and I understand that they are people who do not like games of chance, that shows, but I think that this world is to accept and tolerate, it is for such reason that I don't see the bans as necessary, it all started with the live broadcasts of a person who asked for money to play, and that was enough to ban casino envoys, if they go that way it's obvious that they will ban when they play CSGO, FIFA, And anything that has to do with gaming, that's like banning players on Discord. I thought that on Twitch they lived on sponsorships, and there is no better sponsor than a casino.

They hadnt ban out on global scale but rather there are still ones who could stream out but of course it would be only into those casinos which does have US licensed and the rest or offshore then its totally
prohibited.Its their company then its their choice and there's no such thing we could do about into their decisions.
Sometimes having this huge scale decision when it comes to ban and prohibition, it is sometimes that really too exaggerated or too muc which a single violation had been committed out by
a single person due into its wrong doings which it resulted or ended up like this.
Some say that it is too much and some say that it is really just right on having or ending up that kind of decision.

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Quote from: bullrun2024bro on September 27, 2022, 09:27:31 AM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 26, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

I have to agree with you there. Whether you end up streaming slots or spending hours opening booster packs in the new FIFA 2023 makes absolutely no difference.

It's the same with CS-GO lootboxes, of course, which are opened by various streamers on a daily basis.

In the end all of this falls under the category of gambling. I'm pretty curious at what point Twitch draws its line. And whether we will see more bans in the future. Although I can hardly imagine that game content from FIFA or CS:GO will be banned on the platform in the future. The communities are way (!) too big.

There are people that I have seen here in the forum who are very much in agreement with these prohibitions, and I understand that they are people who do not like games of chance, that shows, but I think that this world is to accept and tolerate, it is for such reason that I don't see the bans as necessary, it all started with the live broadcasts of a person who asked for money to play, and that was enough to ban casino envoys, if they go that way it's obvious that they will ban when they play CSGO, FIFA, And anything that has to do with gaming, that's like banning players on Discord. I thought that on Twitch they lived on sponsorships, and there is no better sponsor than a casino.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on September 21, 2022, 11:51:18 AM

Today, Twitch took to their verified Twitter account to announce that they will be banning gambling streaming in their platform by October 18th this year, - this is less than a month from today.
In their announcement, they said the banned gambling sites will include stake.com, Rollbit.com, Duelbits.com, Roobet.com etc.
They said that they will identify other gambling platforms and ban them too as the move forward.

What do you guys think of this development?
According to the published article, the reason for the ban is due to backlash they(Twitch) received from influencers.

Do you think backlash received from influencers is enough reason for Twitch to ban gambling streaming on their platform?

There are so many streamers on Twitch and gambling ones are a relatively small number, they have absolutely no ability to change the direction of Twitch. They probably did manage to water down the proposal, since Twitch will still be allowing things like sports betting and skill based games like poker. Heck, they'll probably even continue to allow certain casino games as long as they are on properly licensed sites in jurisdictions like the US and UK. There is big money in this sector and through different avenues they will be taking a certain cut from it, so their plan is to trim it down to a lower level and cut off some of the crypto sites to make it look like they're taking action.

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Quote from: FanEagle on September 29, 2022, 02:04:42 PM

I agree that when we are talking about these type of deals, it would be quite difficult to handle, and I believe that we shouldn't really end up with trying to recover and get back to what it was, doesn't mean that it’s not possible I agree that it could be, but unlikely and that’s why we shouldn't look for it.

Let’s assume that gambling streaming world is over now, doesn't mean it’s over but it’s on the way there and I feel like we shouldn't be focusing on anything that would hurt us in the long run if we assume as such, it would be a happy situation if it’s not, and expected if it is. Other side is expecting it to survive and if it does than expected, and if not then be upset.

Without a doubt this is a move against gambling streamers but if there is demand then someone is going to supply people what they want to see, so it would not surprise me if other competitors sites decided to not follow the same policies and gain a lot of new viewers this way, so while this is a move that we knew that it will eventually come at the same time I do not think it is going to be so bad, as people will always find another way to satisfy the need they have of watching other people gamble.

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I agree that when we are talking about these type of deals, it would be quite difficult to handle, and I believe that we shouldn't really end up with trying to recover and get back to what it was, doesn't mean that it’s not possible I agree that it could be, but unlikely and that’s why we shouldn't look for it.

Let’s assume that gambling streaming world is over now, doesn't mean it’s over but it’s on the way there and I feel like we shouldn't be focusing on anything that would hurt us in the long run if we assume as such, it would be a happy situation if it’s not, and expected if it is. Other side is expecting it to survive and if it does than expected, and if not then be upset.

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Quote from: btc78 on September 27, 2022, 03:39:15 AM

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

At the end it is their platform and they can do whatever they want with it, however it is very clear this is a business decision, gambling streamers were getting more popular which was good for them and their platform but they brought too much attention to themselves and complains surfaced, so they crunched some numbers and came to the conclusion they could not take the heat and decided to ban gambling content on their platform, it is that simple even if some may believe it is more complicated than that.

Any platform which is on the verge of possible issues or complaint that might raised and thinking off that their reputation is at risk or danger then it would really be just normal that they would already make out some

actions which is something that understandable and this is what Twitch is been doing.There's some issues of a related streamer which do correlate or in connected with gambling and this is where issues had arised.

Then it did really come into the point that they do really need to ban it to clear up those issues and clean it up somehow the main talks as of this moment.

I just know from life experience that as soon as some kind of action begins, entailing the abolition of the algorithm familiar to all users, by any organization and for quite a long time. Then such actions mean the impossibility of returning to the previous operation of this resource. There are two options for the development of the situation -
1. in general, everything will stop working,
2. the resource will work in a new mode for you, which will not suit you.
Alas, my life experience says that the option of a new operation, when everything will be even better for you than it was, is of course theoretically possible, but very unlikely.

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Quote from: South Park on September 28, 2022, 03:44:58 PM

Quote from: btc78 on September 27, 2022, 03:39:15 AM

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

At the end it is their platform and they can do whatever they want with it, however it is very clear this is a business decision, gambling streamers were getting more popular which was good for them and their platform but they brought too much attention to themselves and complains surfaced, so they crunched some numbers and came to the conclusion they could not take the heat and decided to ban gambling content on their platform, it is that simple even if some may believe it is more complicated than that.

Any platform which is on the verge of possible issues or complaint that might raised and thinking off that their reputation is at risk or danger then it would really be just normal that they would already make out some

actions which is something that understandable and this is what Twitch is been doing.There's some issues of a related streamer which do correlate or in connected with gambling and this is where issues had arised.

Then it did really come into the point that they do really need to ban it to clear up those issues and clean it up somehow the main talks as of this moment.

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Quote from: btc78 on September 27, 2022, 03:39:15 AM

Quote from: BobK71 on September 26, 2022, 02:00:10 PM

If that is the case, there will be no justice here. Moreover, if something is done for the purpose of the youth, then it must be done in such a way that those minors cannot access it. Restricting certain casino sites is not an acceptable rule or decision by them.

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

They can try to move to another one with gambling streaming is allowed but lets face the fact that we are not going to end up with many that will exist after USA cracks down on them. I am not saying they have, because we know they haven't but there is a good possibility that they could, which is why twitch banned it to begin with.

Gambling is not something that should be streamed, it's illegal in most places and allowing people to stream something that is illegal in most cases should not be seen as okay. Weed is legal in some states as well, but that doesn't mean weed smoking is allowed in most streaming platforms neither, same should apply to gambling.

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Quote from: btc78 on September 27, 2022, 03:39:15 AM

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

At the end it is their platform and they can do whatever they want with it, however it is very clear this is a business decision, gambling streamers were getting more popular which was good for them and their platform but they brought too much attention to themselves and complains surfaced, so they crunched some numbers and came to the conclusion they could not take the heat and decided to ban gambling content on their platform, it is that simple even if some may believe it is more complicated than that.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on September 26, 2022, 06:58:13 PM

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

I have to agree with you there. Whether you end up streaming slots or spending hours opening booster packs in the new FIFA 2023 makes absolutely no difference.

It's the same with CS-GO lootboxes, of course, which are opened by various streamers on a daily basis.

In the end all of this falls under the category of gambling. I'm pretty curious at what point Twitch draws its line. And whether we will see more bans in the future. Although I can hardly imagine that game content from FIFA or CS:GO will be banned on the platform in the future. The communities are way (!) too big.

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Quote from: bakasabo on September 27, 2022, 03:51:49 AM

I dont understand, does Twitch bans only streaming selected games (slots, dice and roulette) or streaming any kind of gambling? I find that as a strange move by such a huge social media giant. On the other hand, strange to see YouTube allows streaming gambling, ref links and lots of betting content. As well as insert their own ads of scam investment (I often see an ad - investment platform by Tesla owner Elon Musk) during video.

No, they will ban all casino content, when they do implement something like this. There were several people complaining about this and they do not want negative publicity, so they doing a blanket ban... from what I understand.

The problem with moving to a different platform now... is the size of these smaller platforms. The casinos wants to attract new gamblers, they do not simply want to target old customers that are already subscribed to the current gambling streamers. Roll Eyes

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I dont understand, does Twitch bans only streaming selected games (slots, dice and roulette) or streaming any kind of gambling? I find that as a strange move by such a huge social media giant. On the other hand, strange to see YouTube allows streaming gambling, ref links and lots of betting content. As well as insert their own ads of scam investment (I often see an ad - investment platform by Tesla owner Elon Musk) during video.

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Quote from: BobK71 on September 26, 2022, 02:00:10 PM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 26, 2022, 12:59:17 PM

So it's okay if it's US-based casinos... sounds not fair! They seem only to target Crypto casinos and not about protecting youngsters.
That's not a good solution, these streamers can just promote US-based casinos and nothing will change. It will only wipe out Curacao-based casinos lol.
How about Malta-based casinos?

Exactly, If that is the case, there will be no justice here. Moreover, if something is done for the purpose of the youth, then it must be done in such a way that those minors cannot access it. Restricting certain casino sites is not an acceptable rule or decision by them.

but business is business mate , they have their rights in running one and if this is their decision we only have one thing to do and that is to accept that fact and move on to other platform in which gambling streaming isn't prohibited .
twitch had been serving streamers for years so ending some in their interest is the best action.
and also there are still 3 weeks to go , maybe there is enough time for gambling platform to have their advertising .

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Quote from: BobK71 on September 26, 2022, 02:00:10 PM

Quote from: mu_enrico on September 26, 2022, 12:59:17 PM

So it's okay if it's US-based casinos... sounds not fair! They seem only to target Crypto casinos and not about protecting youngsters.
That's not a good solution, these streamers can just promote US-based casinos and nothing will change. It will only wipe out Curacao-based casinos lol.
How about Malta-based casinos?

Exactly, If that is the case, there will be no justice here. Moreover, if something is done for the purpose of the youth, then it must be done in such a way that those minors cannot access it. Restricting certain casino sites is not an acceptable rule or decision by them.

Like what I previously mentioned, there is no "middle-ground" when it comes to prohibiting gambling websites in streaming. It is either one party benefitted from the decision and the other party will suffer the loss. In this case, Twitch decided that the welfare of the youth is more essential and paramount compared to the number of gamblers who stream their activities on their platform.

Is this a good move from Twitch? Possibly, but this kind of outcome is expected. Twitch is a gaming platform which was created specifically for streamers to stream their games. It just so happened that gamblers took advantage of this to stream their content of gambling.

Though my only comment here is that, opening crates FROM games is still considered gambling. I wonder how Twitch will respond and view this specific scenario especially that these loot boxes are from these famous games as well (e.g. CSGO boxes, etc.).

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Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 24, 2022, 09:03:16 AM

GG. I wonder if any influencers will be able to migrate over to Odysee or some such platform that isn't subject to such hostile takes.

As YouTube, Twitch and other such Big Tech platforms clamp down, it would be nice to see decentralized blockchain tech, like Odysee, step up and take that part of the market share for that very reason.

Never had heard of this platform for streaming before and will assume there will be others who want to have the influx of the audience that twitch will be giving up due to their decision on the stance of gambling on the platform.
Stevewilldoit which is a social media influencer recently got banned from youtube for the very same reason. And while on a gambling chat saw it was mentioned he was using rumble, inwhich I haven't heard of either.
This clamp down on gambling streams will have a ripple effect among all other large streaming platforms.
For better or for worse - growing them tenfold or shrinking their platform viewership.

Deplatforming is all too common these days. Thankfully there are options. Rumble is the biggest one, but also a very stupid choice. It's just a re-skinned YouTube using centralized technologies. Any smart person on this forum knows history is doomed to repeat itself here... a rebranded fiat currency isn't a good solution to a presently failed fiat currency.

Odysee/LBRY is quite different because it's decentralized, using blockchain technology and therefore censorship proof on the base layer. And they abide by similar protocols on their front-end mostly speaking. (Any principled people can download the LBRY client for a completely censorship proof experience).

Hopefully these users realize this for either syncing their YouTube channels or Twitch streamers seeking refuge etc. do so on Odysee

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2022, 11:36:29 AM

Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 24, 2022, 09:03:16 AM

GG. I wonder if any influencers will be able to migrate over to Odysee or some such platform that isn't subject to such hostile takes.

As YouTube, Twitch and other such Big Tech platforms clamp down, it would be nice to see decentralized blockchain tech, like Odysee, step up and take that part of the market share for that very reason.

It would be a great move, although the deal breaker is the lack of support from the viewers that will obviously not get there immediately. Odysee is a great platform with ample features for creators but not too attractive to lure in new viewers. Just look at their website and see that it is jam-packed with tons of creators wanting it big and start on platforms that isn't YouTube or Twitch. If they somewhat amp up their marketing and do something to get in new viewers that would be great for everyone.

Is this a new kind of streaming site? Because if yes then that is normal for starters but they can always do some promotions. They can advertise their brand here in the forum. It's perfect since they are decentralized and are more related to crypto than the traditional streaming sites that we know the most.

Being decentralized is great because that means there are no restrictions that can be applied and any streamers can do whatever they want. They aren't that attractive for now but they can always improve it. We can also give them suggestions if what features we like the most that they should include if we think it might help them gather more users.

LBRY, the decentralized protocol, has been around since 2016. Recently, in 2020, they added a web-based front-end, Odysee. So it's fairly new. But it has been crushing in numbers lately. In 2020, they had under 1m users per month. Right now, they are over 50m unique users per month. Staggering growth for a much needed decentralized platform and service out there in the world today.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2022, 11:36:29 AM

Quote from: theskillzdatklls on September 24, 2022, 09:03:16 AM

GG. I wonder if any influencers will be able to migrate over to Odysee or some such platform that isn't subject to such hostile takes.

As YouTube, Twitch and other such Big Tech platforms clamp down, it would be nice to see decentralized blockchain tech, like Odysee, step up and take that part of the market share for that very reason.

It would be a great move, although the deal breaker is the lack of support from the viewers that will obviously not get there immediately. Odysee is a great platform with ample features for creators but not too attractive to lure in new viewers. Just look at their website and see that it is jam-packed with tons of creators wanting it big and start on platforms that isn't YouTube or Twitch. If they somewhat amp up their marketing and do something to get in new viewers that would be great for everyone.

Is this a new kind of streaming site? Because if yes then that is normal for starters but they can always do some promotions. They can advertise their brand here in the forum. It's perfect since they are decentralized and are more related to crypto than the traditional streaming sites that we know the most.

Being decentralized is great because that means there are no restrictions that can be applied and any streamers can do whatever they want. They aren't that attractive for now but they can always improve it. We can also give them suggestions if what features we like the most that they should include if we think it might help them gather more users.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on September 26, 2022, 12:59:17 PM

So it's okay if it's US-based casinos... sounds not fair! They seem only to target Crypto casinos and not about protecting youngsters.
That's not a good solution, these streamers can just promote US-based casinos and nothing will change. It will only wipe out Curacao-based casinos lol.
How about Malta-based casinos?

Exactly, If that is the case, there will be no justice here. Moreover, if something is done for the purpose of the youth, then it must be done in such a way that those minors cannot access it. Restricting certain casino sites is not an acceptable rule or decision by them.

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Quote from: babygun on September 21, 2022, 01:46:27 PM

That is going to hurt a lot of people as some were making real good money on Twitch. I am thinking of popular streamers as Xposed, Ayezee, Foss, ... They also stream on Youtube but the go platform has always been Twitch.

this will have pros and cons because I see some big streamers are very happy with this news. I'm sure this is in the twitch process because there are continuous reports that reach the management.

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The prosecution took effect on October 18, 2022. Cases of streamers committing these scams have become increasingly prominent since a streamer named ItsSliker from England made a confession that he has collaborated with several sites to stream gambling. He earned thousands of US dollars in one stream by taking advantage of the gambling addiction of his viewers.

I've also seen other topics that discuss cheating committed by streamers who work with online casino gambling sites to attract viewers who watch their broadcasts. Since becoming the property of Amazon, Twitch has continued to tighten its service and doesn't know if they will continue this rule in the future or not.

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So it's okay if it's US-based casinos... sounds not fair! They seem only to target Crypto casinos and not about protecting youngsters.
That's not a good solution, these streamers can just promote US-based casinos and nothing will change. It will only wipe out Curacao-based casinos lol.
How about Malta-based casinos?

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