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sr. member
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August 03, 2011, 02:31:05 PM
#55
(2) It appears to be a one-man operation, which is fine, but he acts like it's a multinational conglomerate with 100's of agents working on his behalf.
It certainly started that way, but now there are 4 participants at the executive level and 6 at the lower management level, and that's just for the UABB alone. The UABCI has already 30 members participating.
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Sounds like you have 10 managers and nobody to manage! I hope you're paying the going rate for these grandiose titles, say $500k a year for executive management. You are actually paying people, right? (I mean today, not in X years time)

Here on the Internet we have the most respect for organizations that operate as meritocracies and laugh at hierarchical management structures with nothing holding them up.

Can you show that you're not the gobshite that you appear to be?
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
#54
Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your input. Here's the link to Barracuda http://www.barracudacentral.org/ and a link to a YouTube video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JscYYHHNpc&feature=related

and here's a link to how it looks like an email protection racket Cheesy
http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html


Very interested read (yes, I read the entire posts and comments)! I'd welcome anything else you have to offer. Thank you, Xephan.
newbie
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August 03, 2011, 02:25:31 PM
#53
Thank you again, Xephan. Allow me to ask a hard question and please don't take it personal. Would you kindly show a post or two where Matthew with NABB passed judgement? I'm not being an ass with that question, for I TRULY would love to see it. Thank you, in advance. Bruno (my read first name).

That's a trick question since he probably didn't do it in any post. Neither am I, nor the other member who brought up a similar concern, saying he's passing judgment in the forum.

But this http://uabb.org/accreditation.php shows that his "business" model basically sets themselves up as an agency that judges others as "secure", "honest" and "ethical". By implications, if you're not accredited with UABB, you're "unsecured" and/or "dishonest" and/or "unethical".

full member
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August 03, 2011, 02:22:34 PM
#52
Your UABB posts criticize many people's business practices and state that they dont adhere to your UABB guidelines.

look here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/silver-for-bitcoins-groupon-like-33478

You also solicited donations to spearhead the investigation into mybitcoins when no one asked you to.

That and you're extremely spammy.

Instead of trying to force UABB into everyones face, if you had let it slowly get adopted, maybe less people would have called it a scam.
newbie
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August 03, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
#51
Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your input. Here's the link to Barracuda http://www.barracudacentral.org/ and a link to a YouTube video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JscYYHHNpc&feature=related

and here's a link to how it looks like an email protection racket Cheesy
http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 02:12:34 PM
#50

Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your insight. I believe that any start-up, in regards to Bitcoin, is a power grab. If Matthew didn't start UABB now, someone else would of in the not (is it to or so?) distant future. Should the first Bitcoin eBay type site waited? or the first tattoo (that reminds me, I need to go check her out again--my favorite thread)? or the first restaurant to accept Bitcoin (Damn you Meze Grill! You should of waited till Bitcoin was ready for you. Now look what happened! We have to go into damage control.)? or the first whatever?


The key difference here is that all the other start-ups are not based on passing judgment on everybody else.

Thank you again, Xephan. Allow me to ask a hard question and please don't take it personal. Would you kindly show a post or two where Matthew with NABB passed judgement? I'm not being an ass with that question, for I TRULY would love to see it. Thank you, in advance. Bruno (my read first name).
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 02:07:50 PM
#49
My objection wasn't the idea of charging of 'accreditation'.  It was the possibility of charging for this, and then disparaging anyone who refused to pay, in effect creating an internet protection racket.

Please note I threw this out as a hypothetical, I"m not actually accusing you of having an evil master plan.

I just saw this and realized/recalled what's probably the reason why I intuitively frown upon UABB... there's this company called Barracuda. They sell a network firewall/spam filter device which blacklists IP addresses if it's detected sending spam/virus via their undisclosed systems/networks.

And they run this website where you can get your IP whitelisted... if you pay them a yearly fee per IP address Wink

Pretty much like "If you're not accredited with us, you're automatically a spammer/scammer/fraudster/etc"

Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your input. Here's the link to Barracuda http://www.barracudacentral.org/ and a link to a YouTube video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JscYYHHNpc&feature=related
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 02:00:44 PM
#48

(3) The photo might be real, but for some reason it looks like a stock photo you'd get from one of those sites that also has customer service people with headsets, and that woman sitting indian-style in front of her laptop with her arms in the air.
Haha. I'm glad you appreciate my poses. I took that picture inside the last college prep school I owned and ran. There are PLENTY of photos, videos and music files of me online if you really want proof I exist. Proving I'm really me though might be a little more difficult. Shall I take a photo with a paper saying "kgo is teh bomb"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthew_wright/MWICPS

For some reason when I Google "Matthew N. Wright" I get zilch. There's a matthewnwright Twitter account. And >>>"Matthew Wright" Korea<<< brings up stuff.

He looks kinda genuine to me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.



Say it ain't so, kgo! This throws a monkey wrench into my scheme. It would of only worked if Matthew N. Wright (and NABB) was a farce. But now that you'll shown me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthew_wright/MWICPS I now have to see if I can get a refund from Godaddy for the domain name I will no longer need. I had it all figured out to phish my ass off in this naive Bitcoin community pool. My Romanian partners (or is it the Nigerians?) won't be happy campers when they translate read this.

Great find, kgo!
newbie
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August 03, 2011, 01:37:26 PM
#47

Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your insight. I believe that any start-up, in regards to Bitcoin, is a power grab. If Matthew didn't start UABB now, someone else would of in the not (is it to or so?) distant future. Should the first Bitcoin eBay type site waited? or the first tattoo (that reminds me, I need to go check her out again--my favorite thread)? or the first restaurant to accept Bitcoin (Damn you Meze Grill! You should of waited till Bitcoin was ready for you. Now look what happened! We have to go into damage control.)? or the first whatever?


The key difference here is that all the other start-ups are not based on passing judgment on everybody else.
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 01:22:54 PM
#46
(5) Still waiting for them to ask me to pay X BTC to get a UABB certified logo on my site, and then telling people that you should only trust sites with official UABB certification.

This is part of my main concern over UABB.

One of the attraction of Bitcoin to me is the decentralized nature. Living in a country where a small handful of people get to say what's right and what's wrong, even when most of are screaming the other way, I'm naturally leery of any central agency.

I can't vote for any of the option because they don't fit how I see UABB at this time: A potentially disastrous power grab

Right now Bitcoin is in relative infancy, forming such a body gives it disproportionate power and is attractive to certain egocentric types IMO. Doesn't help when they come all ready with all the typical aggrandizing titles.

If he just stuck to helping people in a personal capacity, maybe it might not come across so dubiously. But right now there isn't enough participants to set up a counter weight to keep such a body in check so the rise of one just doesn't sit comfortable with me.

Of course Michael could very well be really earnest and honorable in his intentions, but very often such organisations turn rotten if there's no oversight or counterchecks. Who is to guarantee that one of the later members in charge of one region or another don't have less than noble ideas? As the phrase goes "who watches the watchers?", absolute power corrupts.



Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your insight. I believe that any start-up, in regards to Bitcoin, is a power grab. If Matthew didn't start UABB now, someone else would of in the not (is it to or so?) distant future. Should the first Bitcoin eBay type site waited? or the first tattoo (that reminds me, I need to go check her out again--my favorite thread)? or the first restaurant to accept Bitcoin (Damn you Meze Grill! You should of waited till Bitcoin was ready for you. Now look what happened! We have to go into damage control.)? or the first whatever?



newbie
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August 03, 2011, 01:20:58 PM
#45
My objection wasn't the idea of charging of 'accreditation'.  It was the possibility of charging for this, and then disparaging anyone who refused to pay, in effect creating an internet protection racket.

Please note I threw this out as a hypothetical, I"m not actually accusing you of having an evil master plan.

I just saw this and realized/recalled what's probably the reason why I intuitively frown upon UABB... there's this company called Barracuda. They sell a network firewall/spam filter device which blacklists IP addresses if it's detected sending spam/virus via their undisclosed systems/networks.

And they run this website where you can get your IP whitelisted... if you pay them a yearly fee per IP address Wink

Pretty much like "If you're not accredited with us, you're automatically a spammer/scammer/fraudster/etc"
full member
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August 03, 2011, 01:19:29 PM
#44

(3) The photo might be real, but for some reason it looks like a stock photo you'd get from one of those sites that also has customer service people with headsets, and that woman sitting indian-style in front of her laptop with her arms in the air.
Haha. I'm glad you appreciate my poses. I took that picture inside the last college prep school I owned and ran. There are PLENTY of photos, videos and music files of me online if you really want proof I exist. Proving I'm really me though might be a little more difficult. Shall I take a photo with a paper saying "kgo is teh bomb"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthew_wright/MWICPS

For some reason when I Google "Matthew N. Wright" I get zilch. There's a matthewnwright Twitter account. And >>>"Matthew Wright" Korea<<< brings up stuff.

He looks kinda genuine to me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

legendary
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August 03, 2011, 01:09:55 PM
#43


(5) Still waiting for them to ask me to pay X BTC to get a UABB certified logo on my site, and then telling people that you should only trust sites with official UABB certification.
Did you think accreditation was free? Accreditation will cost you 2BTC for the first year, and 1BTC to renew every year after that. Consumers and non accredited business members needn't pay anything of course. This barely covers our cost to take the time to investigate into the businesses if you think about it though.




My objection wasn't the idea of charging of 'accreditation'.  It was the possibility of charging for this, and then disparaging anyone who refused to pay, in effect creating an internet protection racket.

Please note I threw this out as a hypothetical, I"m not actually accusing you of having an evil master plan.

With his policy of public investigations I wouldn't rule out a protection racket at all.

Here you go! Just change the logo.

legendary
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August 03, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
#42
What's harder--Sowing seeds of discontent or mining Bitcoin? I'm leaning towards the former, because the sowing has to take place hourly, if not minutely, whereas you only have to set up a mining rig once (the analogy works provided you don't upgrade).

Woe is upon us if anyone figures out how to convert one of those AI online chat bots into a forum trolling rig, and sets it "mining" on here!

You SOB! How the hell did you know that that's exactly what I had in mind?

newbie
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August 03, 2011, 01:02:37 PM
#41
(5) Still waiting for them to ask me to pay X BTC to get a UABB certified logo on my site, and then telling people that you should only trust sites with official UABB certification.

This is part of my main concern over UABB.

One of the attraction of Bitcoin to me is the decentralized nature. Living in a country where a small handful of people get to say what's right and what's wrong, even when most of are screaming the other way, I'm naturally leery of any central agency.

I can't vote for any of the option because they don't fit how I see UABB at this time: A potentially disastrous power grab

Right now Bitcoin is in relative infancy, forming such a body gives it disproportionate power and is attractive to certain egocentric types IMO. Doesn't help when they come all ready with all the typical aggrandizing titles.

If he just stuck to helping people in a personal capacity, maybe it might not come across so dubiously. But right now there isn't enough participants to set up a counter weight to keep such a body in check so the rise of one just doesn't sit comfortable with me.

Of course Michael could very well be really earnest and honorable in his intentions, but very often such organisations turn rotten if there's no oversight or counterchecks. Who is to guarantee that one of the later members in charge of one region or another don't have less than noble ideas? As the phrase goes "who watches the watchers?", absolute power corrupts.

legendary
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August 03, 2011, 01:00:53 PM
#40
I don't think it's a scam, but:

(1) Yes, too many posts that are there just to get the name out.

(2) It appears to be a one-man operation, which is fine, but he acts like it's a multinational conglomerate with 100's of agents working on his behalf.

(3) The photo might be real, but for some reason it looks like a stock photo you'd get from one of those sites that also has customer service people with headsets, and that woman sitting indian-style in front of her laptop with her arms in the air.  If it is a real photo, it seems a bit off to get a professional photo for the forums.  If it's not, that seems suspicious, since it's not clearly an avatar.

(4) For all the talk and even glancing at the website, I still have no idea how exactly they intend to operate or how they expect to protect consumers.

(5) Still waiting for them to ask me to pay X BTC to get a UABB certified logo on my site, and then telling people that you should only trust sites with official UABB certification.

Very valid points, kgo. I will honestly agree with you on #3 (stock photo). For my first Bitcoin start-up, I'm going to use the image below:

legendary
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August 03, 2011, 12:54:18 PM
#39
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 12:49:36 PM
#38
Doesn't scam involve stealing money from someone? Did they ever ask for any money? I don't get it. They never did anything.. How can you classify them as fraud, scam, heroes, whatever?
He did, not on wis website in his individual postings on this forum. That gives the idea of "Hey, I need money, but not right now because I have it. I'll tell when I do later on". That gives people the idea that he might really be ligit when all it really is just a way to get his talon's into his mark better.

Take a look at the description of a "Cluster B Narcissist". It seems to fit him to a T. Once these people take root in something its almost impossible to get rid of them. Best to nip them in the bud.

Symptoms:

Grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
Believes that they are "special" and unique and can only be understoody by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
Requires excessive admiration.
Has a sense of entitlement i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations.
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve their own needs.
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them.
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Treatment Considerations:

Thank you kindly, BillX, for your input. You did forget to add a YouTube video for our viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oxJf9MXidY

I'm sure there's many business start-ups that's only sole intent is to do exact what you've outlined. I don't believe UABB is one of them. I will easily reverse my position if I'm proven wrong.

legendary
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August 03, 2011, 12:45:34 PM
#37
What's harder--Sowing seeds of discontent or mining Bitcoin? I'm leaning towards the former, because the sowing has to take place hourly, if not minutely, whereas you only have to set up a mining rig once (the analogy works provided you don't upgrade).

Woe is upon us if anyone figures out how to convert one of those AI online chat bots into a forum trolling rig, and sets it "mining" on here!
legendary
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August 03, 2011, 12:40:25 PM
#36
I'm beginning to think that whoever wants to see Bitcoin fail - his easiest strategy might probably not be buying gazillions of GPUs but to just sow the seeds of discord within the community Sad

Just saying...

What's harder--Sowing seeds of discontent or mining Bitcoin? I'm leaning towards the former, because the sowing has to take place hourly, if not minutely, whereas you only have to set up a mining rig once (the analogy works provided you don't upgrade).

Here's what I can't get a grip around. Why, with a great idea like Bitcoin, is there a forum with so much negativism as opposed to a community writing post-to-post in making it a further success?

Thank you kindly, wareen, for your insight.
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