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I don't understand the problem of Liverpool even with the good players they have and up till this time they keep up struggling to win games. Liverpool is not getting better in performance, I don't think it will be possible with their performance to challenge Real Madrid. Liverpool Real Madrid match is going to be a total different game from Liverpool from what it used to be before now. If EPL is hard for Liverpool to win games, I doubt the champions league will be easy.

I think Liverpool have to make a few changes to their tactics or make a few more effective signings that will make positive impacts to the team. Liverpool have been struggling this season and losing points even to smaller teams which is unusual. If they perform at this level against Real Madrid the result might not be too good and might be disastrous. It seems qualifying for top four spot in the premier league will even be difficult to achieve this season.

The most important thing that must be changed must be its striker, Nunez has proven that so many time if he can do nothing. It can be seen from several matches. Almost all of liverpudlians were also feeling disappointed with his performance. Liverpool shall get a new striker instead of keep using him as the main striker for the squad. That's the reason why the performance from liverpool was also doing down so hard.
If there will be a big changes and I'm sure that Liverpool will be facing disaster in the future.

Nunez is giving his best, It's not easy for the guy like you think. Portugal's premiere Liga isn't the same as English Premier League. Nunez was doing extremely well in Benfica before Liverpool offered to sign him. Not all players adapt very easily to England's style of play, the only thing that could help Him is playing time and constant training. England is a tough league, let's not judge Nunez already, He's a good player he only needs time,

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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.

The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.

It's not right to make hasty decisions about Potter. He may not have much experience, but I think he played successful matches in the teams he managed. I think he can do better after getting to know the team and in an adaptation period for Chelsea.

It's true that everything needs adaptation and process for every new coach, but when it comes to a big name club like Chelsea, of course, many of their fans don't accept that their favorite club experiences a decline in performance every week. In the regular league competition they are in the middle of the standings and in the UCL competition they have to fight Dortmund in the last 16, Graham potter's homework this season has been very tough.

Graham Potter actually took over Chelsea in a bad place. It was a bit of his bad luck. Dortmund is an opponent they can knock out. Their situation in the league is not encouraging. However, let's not forget that they were not in a very good position in the league the year they won the champions league, with a little luck, they can show success in the champions league again.

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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.

The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.

It's not right to make hasty decisions about Potter. He may not have much experience, but I think he played successful matches in the teams he managed. I think he can do better after getting to know the team and in an adaptation period for Chelsea.

It's true that everything needs adaptation and process for every new coach, but when it comes to a big name club like Chelsea, of course, many of their fans don't accept that their favorite club experiences a decline in performance every week. In the regular league competition they are in the middle of the standings and in the UCL competition they have to fight Dortmund in the last 16, Graham potter's homework this season has been very tough.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 06, 2023, 05:58:49 PM

A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

This is true, I think the presence of Messi has helped the performance of PSG team especially in the attacking line but the problem affecting PSG right now since Messi is not back in the team is poor defence, The attack of PSG has been solid it has been the major reason behind the success of PSG but until the management bring a change in the defensiveline by bringing more defenders in the team regardless to assist Sergio Ramos which has been on injury since arriving the French side the team will still continue to struggle when the attacking line is weak or the players are in poor form.

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Chelsea has too many problems at the moment. I'm not sure about their current performance to be able to compete at least for the top 4 of the standings. right now the mid-table of the Premier League is quite tight. if Chelsea doesn't make improvements to their squad, there will be quite a lot of injured players. I'm afraid they won't be in the Champions League next season. even for the game against Dortmund, it will be tough enough for Chelsea.

The game with Chelsea was a serious test for the Potter team, in fact they showed that now they can't play on equal terms with a strong opponent. There are 10 points to the Champions League zone, I don’t know if it’s possible to win back such a gap in half a season. The day after tomorrow Chelsea will again play with City in a cup match, I doubt that anything will change for Chelsea in this match. And after that they will have two matches with Fulham and Crystal Palace, in these games they must get points, there is nowhere to retreat.

Chelsea actually tried to do something in the City match, but the serious quality difference between their squads was felt throughout the match. However, Manchester City has not been able to fully reflect its strength. Even though they couldn't play exactly the game they wanted, 3 points of 1-0 was enough to give them what they wanted.

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Quote from: Joca97 on January 06, 2023, 08:34:54 PM

The problem is that neymar and messi arent running so other players need to run for them . I dont think they can being Van Dijk he probobly wont leave Liverpool that is playing in the premier league and in champions league aswell. PSG still needs more players in defence and needs to find before transfer window ends

PSG doesn't really need new defenders, actually they're don't need any new player since they currently have many good players. It's true Kimpembe and Mendes are currently injured, but they will back in the mid and late February, so they both can able participate in Champions League.

What PSG need here is the manager need to bound his club and discuss about each personal player problem since it looks like Mbappe is hating Messi. Messi might be professional and wouldn't take any personal problem during in field, but Mbappe will not pass to Messi even Messi has a chance to make a goal, Mbappe will shoot by himself even there's 2-3 players can block his ball.

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A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

They meet in the next month which means PSG still have much time to prepare the squad and strategy especially their attacker, Messi, and Mbappe. We can't also compare it with the friendly or their match on Ligue 1 because this is the Champions League, where The club and squad dream to be champions. We know Bayern now is look different after Lewa left which maybe a bit easy to PSG win or at least make a draw on Bayern home. but again, when we are talking about mentally, of corse Byaern have mauch than PSG which I thing be the big problem for Messi and friends.

It's bad when a club depends on a few players, while within the club they have a lot of names of very high quality players. It can't be denied that names like Messi, Mbappe and Neymar are star players, but that doesn't mean they have to rely on these players.
In the match against Paris Saint Germain later, they have to change what is now their weakness, and they also have to anticipate the absence of their main players, because something bad could happen to them ahead of the match.
They are very ambitious to win this Champions League, but I want to see how they will channel their ambition.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 06, 2023, 05:58:49 PM

A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

They meet in the next month which means PSG still have much time to prepare the squad and strategy especially their attacker, Messi, and Mbappe. We can't also compare it with the friendly or their match on Ligue 1 because this is the Champions League, where The club and squad dream to be champions. We know Bayern now is look different after Lewa left which maybe a bit easy to PSG win or at least make a draw on Bayern home. but again, when we are talking about mentally, of corse Byaern have mauch than PSG which I thing be the big problem for Messi and friends.

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 06, 2023, 05:58:49 PM

A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

I think that people shall understand that if messi was not everything in PSG. The fact that if this is football that being played by 11 players. That means if the absence from messi did small contribution. The messi itself will never able to play the game. That is not the game for messi but PSG.
As far as i know that PSG has so many superstars and it doesn't make sense if the fans were using the absence from messi and neymar as excuses. The quality from the club will be tested here.
If that was a perfect club and then it doesn't matter a lot whether messi was playing or not. It seems like that PSG must try to do so many improvements.

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A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

i think that PSG have a decent defense, i'm not sure they can bring better players, you could name Van Dijk but i don't think he will be willing to leave Liverpool, i think their defense need chemistry and a better plan and this is the coach's job, to be honest i'm not happy at all with the managers PSG had so far, they just are more focused on bringing more players.

The problem is that neymar and messi arent running so other players need to run for them . I dont think they can being Van Dijk he probobly wont leave Liverpool that is playing in the premier league and in champions league aswell. PSG still needs more players in defence and needs to find before transfer window ends

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Quote from: Docnaster on January 06, 2023, 05:58:49 PM

A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

i think that PSG have a decent defense, i'm not sure they can bring better players, you could name Van Dijk but i don't think he will be willing to leave Liverpool, i think their defense need chemistry and a better plan and this is the coach's job, to be honest i'm not happy at all with the managers PSG had so far, they just are more focused on bringing more players.

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A lot of people think that Messi's absence is consummately the cause of Psg unfriendly match results, but in my own opinion, I will say it's not. Messi's absence only contributes a little, and that's in the attacking arm. if PSG reduces dependency on the attack and so focuses on making the defense as powerful as the attack, it will yield a better result for them. But currently, the management hasn't made enough plans on bringing in a new defender, and this may affect their subsequent matches, Maybe then Messi will not be blamed.

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I don't see any problem in attacking side of PSG team. Messi joined the team after winning the World Cup, hope Messi will play well in the next matches and Mbappe and Neymar will support him well. However, PSG's defense has some serious problems, if they are corrected, their team will be very strong.

We will not know until we will see the result after messi will be playing against the next team. It seems like that so many fans were using messi as the reason why PSG was losing against lens too. Messi will be actually playing against bayern. Bayern itself is slowly restructuring the team. I meant look at how bayern was also trying to build the defensive line become even stronger. Bayern was moving so fast after it must face the truth some of main starter line already injured. that was forcing bayern to get the new players as soon as possible. It seems like that bayern will become the hardest opponent for PSG even though bayern didn't have world class player that played for bayern

PSG have a star studded team at their disposal, they also have one of the best attack in the whole of Europe, Mbappe, Neymar and Messi were very instrumental for their national teams in the world cup, Messi and Mbappe made it to the finals and Messi won the world cup so hopefully this form they displayed in the World Cup will be repeated in the domestic league and champions league for PSG. They need to work on their defense and create stability to make the team solid.

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Quote from: CLS63 on January 06, 2023, 02:40:27 PM

Liverpool's job will be pretty difficult in the Champions League if they maintain this performance now.

Actually they weren't playing in the same way as for the Champions League. It was like they were focused on this tournament more and this was helping them collect three points in nearly all of the matches. They are seven points away from top four now in the English Premier League. They still continue to lose points because of their weaknesses in midfield and defense. The defense can be fixed actually but they need to transfer a midfielder for sure. They had better do that before the Real Madrid matchup.

Even if Liverpool manage to solve all the problems with the defense and midfield, the games against Real Madrid will not be easy. For Liverpool, the stage has already come when any actions cannot guarantee a result - the opponent is strong and you can lose even showing your best game. Another thing is that Liverpool, in principle, is far from its best form and is still unstable - 3 goals conceded from not the strongest team is a terrible result.

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I agree that Tuchel getting sacked was not normal, and even though they weren't doing "great" before he left, he showed that he is capable of running the team great and it was obvious from the start that he would be a great manager. So, if they just stayed put and kept Tuchel and just let him work things out, then he could have been better. Like look at Liverpool right now, they suck and horrible right now, and losing to everyone, and yet they are keeping Klopp.

Because they got 1 premier league title, few second places, 2 finals and one title at UCL as well. Those type of things shows how good he is, so they do not fire him for being bad half a season.

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Potter has a very heavy and big task this season in restoring the performance of the Chelsea team and yes it clearly takes a lot of time for Potter. But for this season Potter still has time left to improve every area that is still weak in the Chelsea team, even though it looks a little late for Chelsea to get up, but at least Chelsea can finish the season in a better ranking in their own local league and try to stay survive in the Champions League even though it will not reach the semi-finals.

You must know, Chelsea is a biggest club in career of Potter. It is a biggest challenge he has during his career and by now, I can not say Potter succeeds in Chelsea. In Chelsea, a coach will have to either win Premier League or Champions League and at least complete a season within top four. Beyond top four is a very bad result which can put a coach on fire anytime. They are rich, have high ambition and expect a lot from their coaches. Potter is nearly on fire now.

In Champions League, Chelsea and Potter will meet Dortmund in middle of February and it is still lucky for them. The opponent is Dortmund with their problems with performance and injuries. They are not too different than Chelsea so if Potter manages to help Chelsea recovers in next 5 weeks, they will have advantage to beat Dortmund.

It is a condition because currently both of these clubs have yet resolved their crises.

Potter is still struggling to meet up expectations at Chelsea this is obviously the biggest club he is managing throughout his career. He was enjoying his time at Brighton a much easier club to manage before moving to Chelsea who have high ambitions and top quality talents to manage. Potter isn't a bad coach after all and I think he needs more time to adapt fully to the level of the club since this is the first big club he is managing.

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Liverpool will probably play the match against Real Madrid without Wijnaldum. Then the World Cup broke up some players, after all, the resumption of the competition was already a week later. Planned too close together. Liverpool can't possibly be the favorite against Madrid, who are clearly in better shape than Liverpool. It's a game that could have been the final. An open draw is fun for everyone, this way teams with a lesser name can also get quite far. Biggest surprise as Cl winner I think was Porto in the last 20 years. But, that was with Mourinho as coach. Benfica is also in it, and even managed to win the group for PSG.

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In my opinion, Chelsea made a huge mistake sacking Thomas Tuchel at the beginning of the season. It is true that the team was struggling at the moment and needed some changes to the situation. Thomas Tuchel should have been given more time after all he has proven to be worthy winning the league abd the champions league, he deserved to be given that benefit of doubt that he could still turn things around.

The Chelsea side were too hasty about a change of coach and the result is they are now falling deeper into the regular league. I'm not attacking Potter, but I think Graham Potter is the worst coach replacement at the moment, we know he doesn't even have any experience other than coaching Brighton and several other small teams, while Thomas Tuchel has already given Chelsea the UCL title and several trophies at big clubs others he has coached. I'm not sure Chelsea can qualify for this top 16 phase, considering that they always appear with poor performances.

I think this is an absolute decision from the new leadership where there has been a lot of news that Todd and Tuchel did not really get along so this is what happened, Tuchel's condition was a little difficult when there was a major reshuffle at Chelsea's top brass which made him a bit not too happy because obviously this indirectly affects the performance of the players.
On the other hand, there may be other problems with Todd, so Tuchel, who should still be safe, must be replaced.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on January 06, 2023, 02:27:42 PM

That's not true...
Yunno what happens every other time when a big team loses to a big team like that; it doesn't mean any smaller team could simply jump on them and take advantage of that mis-hap. Infact, they'll even get to build up a better gameplay as they don't have to lose too much to avoid loosing their relagation spot on the table....lmao
A game with crystal palace would be a hard nut to crack up; it seems they usually lose their confidence every other time ,when they play against crystal palace. What makes me more surprised is how Arsenal could manage to contend on that position for a long time now .., I'm seeing it for them.

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what happens to Chelsea in the domestic league will affect their quality in the champions league, that is the strong reason that I take from their recent performance. dortmund will be against chelsea in the round of 16 and the first leg will take place at the Signal Iduna Park stadium. So it's not impossible that Chelsea will experience difficulties if their performance continues to decline before this match starts. Dortmund can surprise when they play later.

Graham potter has not been successful enough so far with Chelsea in the domestic league because he is too difficult to implement a stronger scheme in Chelsea playing body, Chelsea often lose points and it's quite regrettable because their ranking is getting worse in the standings table.

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Liverpool's job will be pretty difficult in the Champions League if they maintain this performance now.

Actually they weren't playing in the same way as for the Champions League. It was like they were focused on this tournament more and this was helping them collect three points in nearly all of the matches. They are seven points away from top four now in the English Premier League. They still continue to lose points because of their weaknesses in midfield and defense. The defense can be fixed actually but they need to transfer a midfielder for sure. They had better do that before the Real Madrid matchup.

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