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Quote from: ajiz138 on September 21, 2022, 11:42:29 AM

But the fact is always different, in fact, just look at Chelsea now that they are not so dominant because they have never won in two UCL matches in the EPL and Chelsea still haven't found an exit point for a straight path where the victory is obtained but this result is still not optimal.
For me, the Champions League is different, meaning that we think that a small team can beat the team above it because the game in the UCL is really tight, it can turn around, including Chelsea who are still not capable, even though what we see is that they can qualify in this group phase.
However Chelsea still have a wide chance of qualifying, as long as the upcoming match wins and wins so on, that's just Graham Potter how to do it.

Left 3 points from Milan right now I think not difficult situation faced by Chelsea although still not won in last two match after 1 draw and 1 lost of two games. However next match Chelsea vs Milan become crucial match for Chelsea if want keep existing in Champion League until to the next round. I think Graham Potter have many days for evaluating his player ready fight with Milan and won this games if wont left Champion League early.

Chelsea can lead first standing position awhile in Group E if success win from Milan and another games between Salzburg vs Dynamo Zagreb have draw. If next match win from Milan will easy for Chelsea keep lead to next round but will difficult choose keep failure take 3 points full on third games in Champion League.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 21, 2022, 11:44:45 AM

A very optimistic prediction considering Chelsea's past games and their results.
In this group, Milan has shown the most so far and they are deservedly the first in the group. I think that Chelsea will have two very difficult games against Milan and that they will have a much better chance in the duels against Salzburg and Dinamo.
In order to pass to the knockout stage of the Champions League, they will most likely need 9 points and if Chelsea fails to beat Milan in the next two games, they will find themselves in a very difficult situation.

You're right, Chelsea's chances of qualifying from the group stage are highly dependent on the results of the next two match. Chelsea need points and they need to win in the next two match, but Milan and Dinamo Zagreb are not easy opponents. Salzburg also cannot be underestimated because Chelsea's current condition can't really be seeded.

But I would like if Chelsea and Milan qualified for the last 16 round rather than either of bSalzburg or Dinamo Zagreb. So the Potters are really working hard to make the most of all the next match, that's what they have to win.

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The balance of Group E can change very much after the next two match weeks.

Chelsea and Milan are going to face each other in this time period. The upcoming match is in Stamford Bridge and this might be the most critical one for Chelsea. If they somehow get the win this can be a silver lining for them to turn things around in the group. If they lose points in both matches against Milan then it would be much more difficult for them to qualify for next stage. They would have no other option than beating Dinamo Zagreb and Salzburg both in that case. The matches between these two will also play a big role of course. The best scenario for Chelsea would be two draws in both Dinamo Zagreb - Salzburg matches. Graham Potter's touch will hopefully make the team better in offense. The Salzburg match was a nice example but they were very unlucky.

It seems to me that Chelsea will take at least 4 points in the games against Milan and then win the rest of the games. Last season, after the first two rounds, there were also very interesting situations in some groups, but then by the end of the group tournament, everything returned to normal. If I remember correctly, only Barcelona and Milan lost their "guaranteed" playoff tickets. Given the fact that Dinamo and Salzburg are far from Benfica in strength, their chances are small and rather they compete only for 3rd place.

A very optimistic prediction considering Chelsea's past games and their results.
In this group, Milan has shown the most so far and they are deservedly the first in the group. I think that Chelsea will have two very difficult games against Milan and that they will have a much better chance in the duels against Salzburg and Dinamo.
In order to pass to the knockout stage of the Champions League, they will most likely need 9 points and if Chelsea fails to beat Milan in the next two games, they will find themselves in a very difficult situation.

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Quote from: hahay on September 21, 2022, 10:50:26 AM

Basically Chelsea are in a group where Chelsea can be group winners, Milan, Zagreb and Salzburg are basically of lower quality than Chelsea. Therefore, if it is about the results on paper then of course Chelsea will be able to win the group and also, if you relate it is a weak or strong group then I can say this is an easy group for Chelsea. But the reality is not as easy as imagined because even Chelsea are in the bottom position and still haven't won a match from the two opponents they have faced, both of which are clearly below Chelsea's quality.

But the fact is always different, in fact, just look at Chelsea now that they are not so dominant because they have never won in two UCL matches in the EPL and Chelsea still haven't found an exit point for a straight path where the victory is obtained but this result is still not optimal.
For me, the Champions League is different, meaning that we think that a small team can beat the team above it because the game in the UCL is really tight, it can turn around, including Chelsea who are still not capable, even though what we see is that they can qualify in this group phase.
However Chelsea still have a wide chance of qualifying, as long as the upcoming match wins and wins so on, that's just Graham Potter how to do it.

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Quote from: Patigi on September 20, 2022, 04:17:57 PM

After two rounds of competition, Graham Potter's debut as Chelsea's head coach ended in a demoralizing 1-1 home tie against Red Bull Salzburg, placing the Blues at the bottom of Group E. I'm not really sure what the issue with Chelsea right now, but I believe it's not the coach's fault; rather, the squad may be to blame since Kante is in injury and there's nothing remarkable going on in that midfield right now, especially since jorjinho isn't doing much.

Chelsea have to be patient with Graham potter, it will take a long process because Graham potter is new this time to coach a big club full of high standards and pressure to win every match. The evidence has begun to show when the opponent Salzburg. Even though it's a 1-1 draw, judging by the way the game has completely changed, it's really smooth and it can create lots of opportunities, just going back to finishing that is still not sharp. Graham Potter coach Good hope he can lift the performance of chelsea.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on September 21, 2022, 12:24:45 AM

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Chelsea should of course have won the game easily. It fits Chelsea's pattern this year. Lots of sloppiness and bad results, also against lesser teams in the CL. Chelsea didn't have a difficult group in the CL, but as they now have only 1 point after 2 games, they will have to work hard to make it to the next round. AC Milan will qualify, but Chelsea still have a long way to go. I think on paper this is even the weakest group of all the groups in the CL. If they don't win the next match either, then they can forget about it as the remaining 3 matches won't all win.

I think, Chelsea will win their next match to increase their points because their players are fully ready to demonstrate well through out the remaining matches to let people know that their coach issues cannot stop them not to achieve this season title. If Chelsea coach can make their defense and midfield very strong before their next match,I think they will definitely improve higher to give their fans hope of winning something good from this season. No doubt, all those new talented squads will do everything possible within their power to assist the team to ensure they achieve victory at the end of the tournament.

Basically Chelsea are in a group where Chelsea can be group winners, Milan, Zagreb and Salzburg are basically of lower quality than Chelsea. Therefore, if it is about the results on paper then of course Chelsea will be able to win the group and also, if you relate it is a weak or strong group then I can say this is an easy group for Chelsea. But the reality is not as easy as imagined because even Chelsea are in the bottom position and still haven't won a match from the two opponents they have faced, both of which are clearly below Chelsea's quality.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 21, 2022, 04:28:17 AM

The balance of Group E can change very much after the next two match weeks.

Chelsea and Milan are going to face each other in this time period. The upcoming match is in Stamford Bridge and this might be the most critical one for Chelsea. If they somehow get the win this can be a silver lining for them to turn things around in the group. If they lose points in both matches against Milan then it would be much more difficult for them to qualify for next stage. They would have no other option than beating Dinamo Zagreb and Salzburg both in that case. The matches between these two will also play a big role of course. The best scenario for Chelsea would be two draws in both Dinamo Zagreb - Salzburg matches. Graham Potter's touch will hopefully make the team better in offense. The Salzburg match was a nice example but they were very unlucky.

It seems to me that Chelsea will take at least 4 points in the games against Milan and then win the rest of the games. Last season, after the first two rounds, there were also very interesting situations in some groups, but then by the end of the group tournament, everything returned to normal. If I remember correctly, only Barcelona and Milan lost their "guaranteed" playoff tickets. Given the fact that Dinamo and Salzburg are far from Benfica in strength, their chances are small and rather they compete only for 3rd place.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 21, 2022, 04:28:17 AM

The balance of Group E can change very much after the next two match weeks.

Chelsea and Milan are going to face each other in this time period. The upcoming match is in Stamford Bridge and this might be the most critical one for Chelsea. If they somehow get the win this can be a silver lining for them to turn things around in the group. If they lose points in both matches against Milan then it would be much more difficult for them to qualify for next stage. They would have no other option than beating Dinamo Zagreb and Salzburg both in that case. The matches between these two will also play a big role of course. The best scenario for Chelsea would be two draws in both Dinamo Zagreb - Salzburg matches. Graham Potter's touch will hopefully make the team better in offense. The Salzburg match was a nice example but they were very unlucky.

Injury on a key player is a real sucker. Prior to this, I had high hope for Chelsea to place first or second in the group with AC Milan. Now Chelsea is in jeopardy after RB Salzburg and Dinamo Zagreb showed that they are not to be easily taken for granted. There is still enough time left for Chelsea but they need to find a way to run their offense effectively. Chelsea can have at least a draw with AC Milan. And then it needs to win over RB Salzburg and Dinamo Zagreb that is more viable than winning against AC Milan. My forecast is 8 or 9 points for Chelsea at the end of the groupings.

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Quote from: jaberwock on September 20, 2022, 05:18:41 PM

I would bet on Barcelona as well and I agree that anything could happen, but let's not forget that Barcelona is a freshly built team, a lot of their players came during the summer transfer window, some of them even later, which means that they haven't had the time to build chemistry yet which shows itself time to time, especially during the Bayern game for example.

So, if there is any chance for Inter to win, it is now because on the second leg there could be a better Barcelona who played together for a while now and built the bond inside the team, Inter needs to get points from this or they are going to end up losing a lot worse on the second game for sure.

However, they are professional players despite being newcomers. so far, their performances in the domestic league are quite impressive. although as you said, they still need time to build a bond between the cast "chemistry". but i'm sure barcelona will play the game with all their abilities, Xavi and his squad have learned a lot from their defeat against Bayern munich.
this is not easy for barcelona, because after all Inter will play with all their might to get the three points from the match. however, barcelona have a better chance than Inter Milan which incidentally they are in a bad trend.
if lewandowski can score a goal early in the first half, I'm sure next barcelona will destroy Inter Milan in that match.

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The balance of Group E can change very much after the next two match weeks.

Chelsea and Milan are going to face each other in this time period. The upcoming match is in Stamford Bridge and this might be the most critical one for Chelsea. If they somehow get the win this can be a silver lining for them to turn things around in the group. If they lose points in both matches against Milan then it would be much more difficult for them to qualify for next stage. They would have no other option than beating Dinamo Zagreb and Salzburg both in that case. The matches between these two will also play a big role of course. The best scenario for Chelsea would be two draws in both Dinamo Zagreb - Salzburg matches. Graham Potter's touch will hopefully make the team better in offense. The Salzburg match was a nice example but they were very unlucky.

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Quote from: Patigi on September 20, 2022, 04:17:57 PM

After two rounds of competition, Graham Potter's debut as Chelsea's head coach ended in a demoralizing 1-1 home tie against Red Bull Salzburg, placing the Blues at the bottom of Group E. I'm not really sure what the issue with Chelsea right now, but I believe it's not the coach's fault; rather, the squad may be to blame since Kante is in injury and there's nothing remarkable going on in that midfield right now, especially since jorjinho isn't doing much.

The midfielder players from chelsea seem pretty much useless right now. it can't create a golden chance for the striker to create a goal. Im sure that people aware about this since there's no kante in the club and the performance has become a horrible thing for now.
The new coach gives no contribution to the play style of chelsea. If people aware this and yeah that proves that changing the coach was not the answer. Tuchel was still good for chelsea but he needs more time to change everything in the club since the owner transition.

Chelsea records without Kante was very poor that from 6 matches in all competitions Chelsea only able to win once so this proven Kante is very important player for Chelsea and actually after he got injured Tuchel already changed several players to playing at his position such as Mason Mount but none of them can playing well so Kante position in Chelsea looks irreplaceable and about their chance in champion league it was very slim but it will determined the match results against Milan and if they lose then it's done for them in this competition

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Quote from: Patigi on September 20, 2022, 04:17:57 PM

After two rounds of competition, Graham Potter's debut as Chelsea's head coach ended in a demoralizing 1-1 home tie against Red Bull Salzburg, placing the Blues at the bottom of Group E. I'm not really sure what the issue with Chelsea right now, but I believe it's not the coach's fault; rather, the squad may be to blame since Kante is in injury and there's nothing remarkable going on in that midfield right now, especially since jorjinho isn't doing much.

In fact, neither can be blamed for this. Because Chelsea need to improve more than just coaches and also players and the draw I think is not commensurate with the actual performance of the Chelsea team at the moment, although it is a good result for Chelsea, but for me it is still very lacking for Chelsea who are in the group E Champions League because Chelsea are still at the bottom of the Group which still desperately needs a win and not a draw.

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Chelsea should of course have won the game easily. It fits Chelsea's pattern this year. Lots of sloppiness and bad results, also against lesser teams in the CL. Chelsea didn't have a difficult group in the CL, but as they now have only 1 point after 2 games, they will have to work hard to make it to the next round. AC Milan will qualify, but Chelsea still have a long way to go. I think on paper this is even the weakest group of all the groups in the CL. If they don't win the next match either, then they can forget about it as the remaining 3 matches won't all win.

I think, Chelsea will win their next match to increase their points because their players are fully ready to demonstrate well through out the remaining matches to let people know that their coach issues cannot stop them not to achieve this season title. If Chelsea coach can make their defense and midfield very strong before their next match,I think they will definitely improve higher to give their fans hope of winning something good from this season. No doubt, all those new talented squads will do everything possible within their power to assist the team to ensure they achieve victory at the end of the tournament.

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Quote from: Patigi on September 20, 2022, 04:17:57 PM

After two rounds of competition, Graham Potter's debut as Chelsea's head coach ended in a demoralizing 1-1 home tie against Red Bull Salzburg, placing the Blues at the bottom of Group E. I'm not really sure what the issue with Chelsea right now, but I believe it's not the coach's fault; rather, the squad may be to blame since Kante is in injury and there's nothing remarkable going on in that midfield right now, especially since jorjinho isn't doing much.

The midfielder players from chelsea seem pretty much useless right now. it can't create a golden chance for the striker to create a goal. Im sure that people aware about this since there's no kante in the club and the performance has become a horrible thing for now.
The new coach gives no contribution to the play style of chelsea. If people aware this and yeah that proves that changing the coach was not the answer. Tuchel was still good for chelsea but he needs more time to change everything in the club since the owner transition.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on September 20, 2022, 04:33:45 PM

It is shocking to see how Chelsea have declined drastically from formal Champions league and super cup winners before Real Madrid last season to become a struggling side, so much to get a point from two Champions league group games. I wonder what could be the cause of the sudden decline in form this season which even led to the sacking of Thomas Tuchel, I really hope Graham will make an impact for Chelsea as he did for Brighton.

The loss of several important players is the cause of Chelsea's decline in performance so far. Chelsea let go of some of their defenders for free, it was a mistake they made. Then their squad depth so far is no better than last season although some of their signings have been quite successful this season.

Aubameyang hasn't given his maximum contribution as a striker, he hasn't done his best for Chelsea like he did at Barcelona. The lack of goals scored by the strikers made it difficult for Chelsea to win match, it had an impact on all the competitions they played in. I don't think Potter has been able to reverse Chelsea's slump but he could be one of those coaches who will try to give something genuine to improve because of his form because Potter is so passionate about it.

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Quote from: bekti3 on September 20, 2022, 01:30:52 PM

It's true that anything is possible in football but the problem is when we look at the current state of Barcelona and Inter it's clear the difference is still big even though they are big teams.
Currently Inzaghi is in a bad condition because Inter's performance is not going well and this will obviously affect their performance.
I'll still be in Barcelona on this.

I would bet on Barcelona as well and I agree that anything could happen, but let's not forget that Barcelona is a freshly built team, a lot of their players came during the summer transfer window, some of them even later, which means that they haven't had the time to build chemistry yet which shows itself time to time, especially during the Bayern game for example.

So, if there is any chance for Inter to win, it is now because on the second leg there could be a better Barcelona who played together for a while now and built the bond inside the team, Inter needs to get points from this or they are going to end up losing a lot worse on the second game for sure.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 20, 2022, 08:32:03 AM

Chelsea already had two big setbacks in this group of the Champions League, against Dinamo and Salzburg, and their most difficult games against Milan are yet to come.
It seems to me that Chelsea was not fully ready to start this season, they got a new coach and they are not playing at the highest level yet.
However, they don't have much time left to prepare and if they fail to beat Milan they will be in very big trouble for the rest of the Champions League group stage and may not even qualify for the Champions League knockout stage.

It is shocking to see how Chelsea have declined drastically from formal Champions league and super cup winners before Real Madrid last season to become a struggling side, so much to get a point from two Champions league group games. I wonder what could be the cause of the sudden decline in form this season which even led to the sacking of Thomas Tuchel, I really hope Graham will make an impact for Chelsea as he did for Brighton.

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After two rounds of competition, Graham Potter's debut as Chelsea's head coach ended in a demoralizing 1-1 home tie against Red Bull Salzburg, placing the Blues at the bottom of Group E. I'm not really sure what the issue with Chelsea right now, but I believe it's not the coach's fault; rather, the squad may be to blame since Kante is in injury and there's nothing remarkable going on in that midfield right now, especially since jorjinho isn't doing much.

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It's a shame that Chelsea's current position is very difficult to qualify for the group. I think this season has been the worst season for chelsea. but actually chelsea still have a chance to qualify for the group stage. ie have to win twice against AC Milan. only then can chelsea escape. but it's a tough task. and I think AC Milan will beat Chelsea. so it can be said that chelsea has no hope of surviving in the champions league. Or it could be said that the hope is very slim. because after all beating AC Milan is very difficult for Chelsea now.

Even though their job may seem very difficult mathematically, there are always miracles. I don't think they will be weak against Milan. Chelsea is a team with a top quality squad and good players. They can beat Milan in both games. They can easily come out of the ordinary they are in right now. I think they will also win the Dinamo and Salzburg games. So there is a good chance that they will leave the group, in my opinion. If they can't get out of the group, we will watch in the Europa League.

Mathematically Chelsea still have a chance went to next round only if they can wins in the rest of matches but with their current condition which still adapt after changed manager it is hard for them to wins 4 matches in a row even more likely they will slipped especially against Milan that currently Milan was more stable although they just lose from Napoli in Serie A but Milan clearly better than Chelsea and actually Chelsea have decent squad to competed in this competition but because too many internal issues which makes this team cannot showed their best performance for each matches

Not only in the Champions League but also in the Premier League, Chelsea's performance has been poor. And if such poor performances continue, Chelsea will not qualify for the next round it is certain. They changed coaches. A new coach also needs time to get to know the players and find out the team's weaknesses. So I don't think Chelsea's performance will stabilize so quickly. Chelsea dropped points in the Champions League home match against Salzburg. I think they will lose points in away matches too.

Yes, Chelsea started this season very disappointingly. I think Chelsea will be very difficult to compete this season, even though at the moment they have also changed managers. Now the Blues are no longer respected, but the most likely target for them to pursue is to qualify for the knockout phase, but even then I think it will be very difficult if they don't improve their performance.

The problem with most of Chelsea's manager is the inability to control the dressing room. Tuchel might have helped a great deal last season and still tried his best this season before he was replaced, any new manager should know that if he is to succeed at the bridge, he must be able to take control of the dressing room during games. They however, still have a fighting chance if they can compose themselves more. A win is needed Chelsea!

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There have been few surprises in the Champions League so far. You do see some results that you did not expect, but they are not real surprises either. Chelsea's draw was bad. I think the biggest surprise so far is Liverpool's 4-1 defeat at Napoli. Ajax now has a big problem, because they would actually fight for 2nd place in advance together with Napoli. We can write off Rangers. Ajax was superior in the CL last year, but they actually had no chance against Liverpool, although it had to take until the 98th minute for Liverpool to win. Chelsea could still qualify, but then they have to win.

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