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September 01, 2023, 09:04:10 AM

Group F, PSG and Milan

I have doubts in this group.
Group f for now is the only group that is difficult to predict who will qualify because looking at the condition of the club and how they are in the domestic competition, they are really a very good club now.
PSG is definitely the strongest candidate to qualify but even if that's the case seeing them in the first few games in Ligue 1 it's still not really a sure thing.
On the other hand, Newcastle, Dortmund and Milan I think their quality is quite balanced now. Although Newcastle is a new club to the Champions League but looking at last season's performance and the strength of their money backed by Seikh it makes them strong now so I think for this club it is complicated in saying who will qualify from the group phase.
Newcastle are in the toughest group and of the three other clubs in their group, it is Newcastle who are most doubtful about qualifying, and it seems that in this group the competition will only be between PSG, Dortmund, and AC Milan, but my prediction will qualify for the knockout phase PSG and AC Milan, as Dortmund are not looking so good after selling their flagship midfielder and Newcastle's lack of experience in this tournament will make it difficult for them to compete, both their squad and their coach are inexperienced here.
Of the four clubs in the English Premier League, Manchester City got an easy draw which is predictable because as the defending champion they will be very favored and Manchester United in Group A is also not a difficult group unless they are not able to play well, but the luckiest is Arsenal because They are only in the same group with Sevilla, who are performing poorly in domestic competition, and PSV and Lens, whose players are not better than Arsenal, but this will be Arsenal's young squad's first experience in the Champions League, as well as Arteta as a coach, but they should not experience any problems. to get past the group stage, because the level of competition is lower than group F where Newcatsle is located.
I think the PSG team is in great danger. Because in comparison, the rest of the teams in this group are quite strong. The rest of the teams will fight hard with the PSG team. PSG team will be under great pressure.
In my opinion, PSG is not in big danger even though their opponents in Group F are very tough, because PSG is still very superior in terms of their game, they just have to be more careful with their opponents. It could be that PSG will experience an attacking crisis because three of their mainstay strikers are rumored to be dropped from PSG, namely Mbappe, Neymar and Marco Verratti or they could leave PSG but this news is still confusing in the media, maybe a problem like this will definitely be a big problem for PSG . Hopefully this news is not true and does not affect PSG, but if true then I believe PSG will have a better substitute striker so that the team can survive and continue to win in the next match in the Champions League this season.

Group F is definitely the hardest group for any team because we have teams like Dortmund, PSG, and AC Milan in this group and we know we are going to have one great team lose in the group stage. Ac Milan played four times against PSG so, they had two draws, and Ac Milan won two times. PSG could never beat AC Milan and maybe this time they will win this game for the first time in history.  

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September 01, 2023, 08:19:07 AM
borussia dortmund got a super tough group. AC Milan,Paris Saint-Germain and Newcastle United FC .
but if you want to get through to the next round you have to beat all the teams . here are the complete groups


source: https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/draws/    


I analyze how the draw went for the Italian teams:
- Lazio: all in all it didnt go badly, he could do it
- Milan: a really complicated group with PSG and Dortmund
- Naples: very risky with Real Madrid, but only
- Inter: feasible group for the Milan Inter team

I bet on Inter and Napoli that pass the group stage
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Did I miss any new terms in Champions League this season? Do we still have 2 clubs from each group to go next?

Will PSG have to stop this season after a group stage? It will certainly push Mbappe to leave PSG.

We don't have two clubs from each group set to go, but we do have at least one from each group guaranteed to advance to the next round.
PSG are one of the group's favourites, and I don't think they'll struggle to go past the group stage. What is more crucial is to prepare for what comes after the group stage, because I doubt they will have any problems at this point.

2 teams qualify from each group, 8 groups = 16 teams qualify for the round of 16
Here are the official UEFA rules:

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The eight group winners and eight runners-up in the group stage qualify for the round of 16. The clubs that finish this stage in third position in their group move into the knockout round play-offs of the UEFA Europa League in progress. The clubs that finish this stage in fourth position in their group are eliminated.
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So 1st and 2nd ones are guaranteed to proceed to next phase, the third ones will go to Europa League
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September 01, 2023, 08:09:08 AM
The remaining groups are all normal, but the two that I believe will be difficult are groups c and f. Group c is made up of Real Madrid and Napoli, two very strong teams, and I believe that their matches will be difficult. Group f is made up of Psg, Dortmund, Milan, and Newcastle, and it is the most difficult group in this location. Psg and Ac Milan will want to take advantage of their strong opportunity because they are two of the best teams that have ever competed.

In my opinion Group F is more exciting and challenging, especially for Newcastle, who had just entered the UCL, faced with a team that is very used to the UCL and in terms of squad depth, such as Dormund, PSG, and Milan, there is no doubt about it. Meanwhile, Man United group A only needs to secure points, at least with Bayern Munich they can exchange tickets. But it's still not easy to finish in second place, because Galatasaray and Copenhagen will do whatever they can to give maximum results.

For the other groups it is balanced and there are 2 superior clubs each, it's just that personally I always believe that the dark horse club will qualify without us expecting it.
Without doubt, the group F that consists of Paris Saint Germaine, Newcastle, Borussia Dortmund and AC Milan which many refer to the group of death is the most difficult but yet most interesting group of this season's UEFA Champions League competition. Newcastle who for the first time in almost 20 years they last played in the competition happens to find themselves in that will definitely not be happy with the draw but has no option than to take on the challenge.
PSG for a fact are the favourites to win that group but from what I've seen so far in the last 12 months from Newcastle, they stand a good chance of reaching the knockout stage of the competition.
Exactly what I was hoping for! This group stage promises some high-quality football. The teams have almost the same level of footballing abilities, so it's going to be a tough competition. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this battle unfolds.

PSG are favorites, while Newcastle has a chance to qualify, their lack of experience may be their problem. It adds an interesting element to the group dynamics.
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September 01, 2023, 08:03:38 AM
That group is filled with inconsistent clubs. PSG can fumble anything in this life. They're the biggest team in the group in terms of squad but you can't even guarantee that they'll qualify.
Dortmund is a team that is known for its bottling. They may end up not qualifying for the Europa even. This is something they have done time and again.
We do not know the kind of form Milan would come with this season but even in their best form, they're not unbeatable.
Newcastle stands a lot of chances in that group but they would have to fight tooth and nails to qualify
It's true that the group is a jumble of teams, and watching it is like watching a suspenseful movie with lots of twists and turns. PSG? The French giants have long been a mystery, to put it mildly. They occasionally break down in the middle of the road like a high-end sports vehicle. I wouldn't place all of my chips on them even though they are the most well-known. Then Dortmund? It's true that their consistency is erratic, like a flame in the wind. Milan could be defeated even at their peak. Newcastle, on the other hand, oh dear, decades without Champions League competition may well turn them into the underdogs with an unpredictable bite. Although I think the teams, particularly Newcastle, may have a difficult task ahead of them, who knows?
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September 01, 2023, 07:59:37 AM
Without doubt, the group F that consists of Paris Saint Germaine, Newcastle, Borussia Dortmund and AC Milan which many refer to the group of death is the most difficult but yet most interesting group of this season's UEFA Champions League competition. Newcastle who for the first time in almost 20 years they last played in the competition happens to find themselves in that will definitely not be happy with the draw but has no option than to take on the challenge.
PSG for a fact are the favourites to win that group but from what I've seen so far in the last 12 months from Newcastle, they stand a good chance of reaching the knockout stage of the competition.

Newcastle are challenged to immediately show that their entry into the UCL is no joke. In my opinion there is a positive thing because if Newcastle is able to compete and eventually qualify, it means that Newcastle's existence will be increasingly taken into account. If you look at the development of this club from season to season, in my opinion it can provide quite tough resistance. PSG is already without Messi and Neymar, then Dormund is also now without Bellingham. That way, the strengths of each club can still be matched by Newcastle if they take advantage of this situation.
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September 01, 2023, 07:56:44 AM

Group F, PSG and Milan

I have doubts in this group.
Group f for now is the only group that is difficult to predict who will qualify because looking at the condition of the club and how they are in the domestic competition, they are really a very good club now.
PSG is definitely the strongest candidate to qualify but even if that's the case seeing them in the first few games in Ligue 1 it's still not really a sure thing.
On the other hand, Newcastle, Dortmund and Milan I think their quality is quite balanced now. Although Newcastle is a new club to the Champions League but looking at last season's performance and the strength of their money backed by Seikh it makes them strong now so I think for this club it is complicated in saying who will qualify from the group phase.
Newcastle are in the toughest group and of the three other clubs in their group, it is Newcastle who are most doubtful about qualifying, and it seems that in this group the competition will only be between PSG, Dortmund, and AC Milan, but my prediction will qualify for the knockout phase PSG and AC Milan, as Dortmund are not looking so good after selling their flagship midfielder and Newcastle's lack of experience in this tournament will make it difficult for them to compete, both their squad and their coach are inexperienced here.
Of the four clubs in the English Premier League, Manchester City got an easy draw which is predictable because as the defending champion they will be very favored and Manchester United in Group A is also not a difficult group unless they are not able to play well, but the luckiest is Arsenal because They are only in the same group with Sevilla, who are performing poorly in domestic competition, and PSV and Lens, whose players are not better than Arsenal, but this will be Arsenal's young squad's first experience in the Champions League, as well as Arteta as a coach, but they should not experience any problems. to get past the group stage, because the level of competition is lower than group F where Newcatsle is located.
I think the PSG team is in great danger. Because in comparison, the rest of the teams in this group are quite strong. The rest of the teams will fight hard with the PSG team. PSG team will be under great pressure.
In my opinion, PSG is not in big danger even though their opponents in Group F are very tough, because PSG is still very superior in terms of their game, they just have to be more careful with their opponents. It could be that PSG will experience an attacking crisis because three of their mainstay strikers are rumored to be dropped from PSG, namely Mbappe, Neymar and Marco Verratti or they could leave PSG but this news is still confusing in the media, maybe a problem like this will definitely be a big problem for PSG . Hopefully this news is not true and does not affect PSG, but if true then I believe PSG will have a better substitute striker so that the team can survive and continue to win in the next match in the Champions League this season.
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September 01, 2023, 07:55:59 AM
I would put PSG and AC Milan through to the round of 16 from group F, it is very possible for Milan to win this group. UCL is not only about the quality of the players you have, but the mentality as a club is a very important point. Dortmund, Newcastle and PSG are still very far from Milan level mentally. Due to the influence of large funds they can buy good players but cannot buy mentality. We can see Man City journey in winning the UCL last season, Pep Guardiola had to build the City squad for 7 years to be the best in Europe.

I predict that Newcastle and Dortmund will not qualify from the group phase, even though many people place both clubs as better than AC Milan.
I will not immediately judge a team that has gone bad this season before there is clearer evidence, moreover the team that must be assessed is AC Milan. Because this season there have been many changes in each of the teams that entered the Champions League, especially for the team in Group F which is generally the best team and will try to take a better position in the group stage this season. However, as for which team will qualify for the next round specifically for Group F, I am more confident in Newcastle and AC Milan than PSG and Dortmund.
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September 01, 2023, 07:45:30 AM
It seems that the entire group stage exists only for the sake of us seeing one interesting group:

Group F: PSG Dortmund Milan Newcastle

This is a real group of death and here from the first round there will be a battle not for life but for death. The rest of the groups look like jokes compared to this one. Well, in principle, it's very good: in other groups you can watch when the first and second teams play each other (like Bayern vs United), but here all the games will be good.
I would like to put PSG as a club that has smaller chance to go to the playoff. PSG is still discovering its true performance but it must have played in the deadly group like that which is surprising a lot of people.
Newcastle and dortmund are strong but acmilan is even stronger than it right now. I don't even know how big the chance for PSG to leaves from that group.
It's likely PSG will be going out earliler than i thought. No messi and neymar but only mbappe. The chance for PSG to be qualified for play off is really small at this moment. The good thing if dortmund and newcastle are still having up and down performance.
It gives PSG a small guarantee to be qualified for the play off. It's better for howe to learn from his mistakes as soon as possible caused by his team was on the most difficult group in UCL.

In my opinion, the fact that PSG got rid of Neymar and Messi the club did not lose anything - I do not remember that these players were of stable use in important games. And at the moment I do not know who is the favorite here and who is the outsider, the result can be anything. Do you remember that last year PSG lost a group to Benfica? Here the situation is even more confusing.
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September 01, 2023, 07:15:43 AM
The remaining groups are all normal, but the two that I believe will be difficult are groups c and f. Group c is made up of Real Madrid and Napoli, two very strong teams, and I believe that their matches will be difficult. Group f is made up of Psg, Dortmund, Milan, and Newcastle, and it is the most difficult group in this location. Psg and Ac Milan will want to take advantage of their strong opportunity because they are two of the best teams that have ever competed.

In my opinion Group F is more exciting and challenging, especially for Newcastle, who had just entered the UCL, faced with a team that is very used to the UCL and in terms of squad depth, such as Dormund, PSG, and Milan, there is no doubt about it. Meanwhile, Man United group A only needs to secure points, at least with Bayern Munich they can exchange tickets. But it's still not easy to finish in second place, because Galatasaray and Copenhagen will do whatever they can to give maximum results.

For the other groups it is balanced and there are 2 superior clubs each, it's just that personally I always believe that the dark horse club will qualify without us expecting it.
Without doubt, the group F that consists of Paris Saint Germaine, Newcastle, Borussia Dortmund and AC Milan which many refer to the group of death is the most difficult but yet most interesting group of this season's UEFA Champions League competition. Newcastle who for the first time in almost 20 years they last played in the competition happens to find themselves in that will definitely not be happy with the draw but has no option than to take on the challenge.
PSG for a fact are the favourites to win that group but from what I've seen so far in the last 12 months from Newcastle, they stand a good chance of reaching the knockout stage of the competition.
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September 01, 2023, 07:02:01 AM
All of us mostly have a same feelling about Newcastle, they will not thinking about a champion title for now. Because currently they are underdog team in UCL. The most important things for them is, experience. Newcastle have money, but doesn't have experience in UCL, its mean nothing. So, I believe, this season they will have a target to go to the next round, at least. Next season if they are qualified again, that will be a time to build a team to compete for UCL title.
Of course, Newcastle is a new comer, they won't think about winning the title this season. I'm very sure Newcastle will play without certain goals, but it doesn't mean they will be easy to defeat. Sometimes, a team with no pressure can play better and able to optimize their potential. So, it isn't impossible if Newcastle can surprise us. Although they have no experience in UCL, they looks strong enough. Personally, I assume they have a chance to compete in the group F.
Every team is thinking for the perfect result with their preparation is also for the win as well but it has never been easy, but now we have to understand few things even Newcastle United is coming after many years but still it has never been weaker side with they joined this event after having fourth spot in world's most competitive league which is never been easy for any team while teams like Liverpool and Chelsea fail to achieve best from here so things never been easy for any team to beat them this could be the toughest time for all to win from here and have spot into next round.

All four teams are good and can go through but on match day performance will be counted who is going to have advantage for the qualification with prediction is never been easy because it's wide open competitions for the 32 teams from the Europe best leagues.
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September 01, 2023, 07:00:28 AM
Lazio are not very strong in the Champions League this season and they could even be eliminated early if they fail to improve their performance. Lazio are currently slumped at the bottom of the standings after failing to win in the first two matches. For Atletico madrid, they are indeed the strongest in group E if you judge from the quality of their players.

Maybe for me the easiest group is Group H and it's easy to guess which team will win the group. Barcelona, ​​Porto, Shakhtar Donetsk, Antwerp are the teams in Group H. Of course, Barcelona have easy opponents in the group phase and I think Barcelona can go further in the Champions League this season.
Lazio surely having one of the worst start in Italian league but many times we have completely different results in Champions League with teams can bring good performance in this event because here difference of quality is quite clear and Lazio is having good experience which can help them for having good performance against Feyenoord and Celtic with most chances for the second spot in this group we will have competition between Lazio and Feyenoord which is currently Dutch Champions.

Group A, G, and H are looking relatively easiest because few teams are having no enough sources to face these giants they are still capable for creating upsets and surprises which is famous in Champions League with Group C is also looking settled for the Real Madrid and Napoli because these both are superior in quality from their opponents.

Lazio is my favorite team on Serie A and I must say that after losing Binance sponsorship , they lost another two in a matter of weeks so Lazio is really not doing great this year , especially after 2 defeats in a row in Serie A but their game was bad from start to end.

Yep , I do have the same faith in them when it comes to UCL , because Lazio do have the necessary experience in order to gather points for at least 3rd place that eventually will drop them into Europa League but personally I do not see them making further from UCL groups. Until UCL games , they have to win against Napoli this weekend...and 3 defeats in a row might be up for Lazio... .
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September 01, 2023, 06:48:03 AM
Lazio are not very strong in the Champions League this season and they could even be eliminated early if they fail to improve their performance. Lazio are currently slumped at the bottom of the standings after failing to win in the first two matches. For Atletico madrid, they are indeed the strongest in group E if you judge from the quality of their players.

Maybe for me the easiest group is Group H and it's easy to guess which team will win the group. Barcelona, ​​Porto, Shakhtar Donetsk, Antwerp are the teams in Group H. Of course, Barcelona have easy opponents in the group phase and I think Barcelona can go further in the Champions League this season.
Lazio surely having one of the worst start in Italian league but many times we have completely different results in Champions League with teams can bring good performance in this event because here difference of quality is quite clear and Lazio is having good experience which can help them for having good performance against Feyenoord and Celtic with most chances for the second spot in this group we will have competition between Lazio and Feyenoord which is currently Dutch Champions.

Group A, G, and H are looking relatively easiest because few teams are having no enough sources to face these giants they are still capable for creating upsets and surprises which is famous in Champions League with Group C is also looking settled for the Real Madrid and Napoli because these both are superior in quality from their opponents.
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September 01, 2023, 06:31:19 AM
What does it even mean when he says that Dortmund are big comedians? Didn't he find the right word is that what he really meant to say? Cheesy
Perhaps it is because they don’t have consistency in maintaining a squad for a long time, because since I am following football up, Dortmund is one of the teams that will grow good players and sell them off, and again, the reason might be because last season they threw away their chance of winning the league after several chances they got as Bayern is not in serious form since the arrival of Tuchel.


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The group isn't easy for any of the teams, but I think Dortmund is a little bit behind. In my opinion there is no big favorite, and no big outsider. The thing is that every team can take way points from any other team in that group. It is not like there is this one big favorite who will win the 6 games most likely. I expect a very close group with lots of excitement until the last match.
That’s what I am also expecting from the group; this group will be tough from the beginning till the end, as no team in the group should be considered a weak team. I am also rating Newcastle United ahead of Dortmund.
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September 01, 2023, 06:19:39 AM
The Turkish representative Galatasaray have had a really unlucky draw. I mean I think that the best achievement they can get in this group is to finish in 3rd place. Because it is very difficult for them to deal with Bayern Munich and Manchester United. They can only hope for getting a point home but even that isn't easy at all.
Turkish teams need more than luck to finish at the second position. That club was in the same group with bayern and manchester united. It's likely galatasaray will be going down to the europa league caused by the clun unable to pass the group stage.

Maybe they can do well against Manchester United home because the Manchester team haven't started the season very impressively. If they can't work out their problems on defending this can be an important weakness.
I hope so. Galatasaray can pay to see united put some garbage players like meguire and martinez on its lineup. A lot of people knew this team was full of meguire. Galatasaray already bought some players to strengthen its club but it's not enough to beat MU and bayern.
Even though Galatasaray can compete with Manchester United, they fall short when it comes to facing Bayern. Bayern has kane that played for the club.

Bayern may win all of matches in this group. kane is going to help bayern to qualify for play off stage.
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September 01, 2023, 06:06:40 AM
The problem is that this is the first time after a long time they are not in the Champions League because the last time they were in the big Champions League competition was the 2002/2003 season which means that it has been 2 decades that they have missed this big competition.
Now they are in a group that can indeed be said to be difficult because their opponents are big clubs subscribed to the Champions League even 3 clubs (PSG, Milan and Dortmund) last season all qualified for the knock out phase.
This is a big challenge for them in the first season but in this case their chance is still there for now and if their performance is good then they also still have the potential to qualify from the group phase this season.
However, apart from that, I see that Newcastle, PSG, Milan and Dortmund have almost the same quality, so it is possible for these four teams to have the same chance of qualifying from the group phase.
Group F is the most difficult group in my opinion, and of course this will be interesting because of the equal quality of the teams in this group, I never thought that Newcastle would be underestimated by other teams in the UCL this season, what is Newcastle doing in Last season's Premier League certainly became a consideration for all opponents in the UCL to be wary of this Newcastle team.
Personally I'm quite optimistic that Newcastle can escape the grub phase.
This is what makes this group F worth watching because every meeting of each club is all big matches and worth waiting for.
The quality of these 4 clubs can also still be said to be the same even though surely for now PSG is the favorite to qualify but for the rest I think nothing is certain because Milan, Dortmund and even Newcastle still have the same quality and it is also possible to qualify.
I am quite looking forward to their first match later because I think the first match or even the first leg determines their future fate.
Hopefully there will be an interesting match and the 4 clubs in group f have a good performance so that the matches they play are worth watching.
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September 01, 2023, 05:37:38 AM
After watching draws and having teams I am also predicting about few teams, but now I have to wait for the December about real results which will give better view no doubt from this group we will have Manchester City and RB Leipzig because of quality difference but during games upsets can also create good mess-up for them.
Yes, of course, as the defending champion, seeing that City is in group G, of course Manchester City doesn't look difficult. It seems that Manchester City's path will run smoothly and maybe the ones who will be superior are Manchester City and Leipzig who will qualify for that group, but these UCL matches usually always have surprises. also because they have tried to qualify for UCL tickets so they might play better than playing in the domestic league.

Personally I already have faith and predict Manchester City and Leipzig at this time, because Crvena and Young boys don't seem like opponents that look difficult even though there might be a chance they will perform very well because this is a big championship and of course they will work hard to provide resistance, can't wait for see their performances in the UCL, even though it's a little sad when we no longer see star players in the UCL later like Neymar, Messi and CR7 and others who have moved to the Arab league as well as to MLS
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The Turkish representative Galatasaray have had a really unlucky draw. I mean I think that the best achievement they can get in this group is to finish in 3rd place. Because it is very difficult for them to deal with Bayern Munich and Manchester United. They can only hope for getting a point home but even that isn't easy at all.

Maybe they can do well against Manchester United home because the Manchester team haven't started the season very impressively. If they can't work out their problems on defending this can be an important weakness.

Apart from that Galatasaray should be able to defeat Copenhagen in both matches to guarantee the Europa League ticket at least.
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September 01, 2023, 05:24:04 AM
The remaining groups are all normal, but the two that I believe will be difficult are groups c and f. Group c is made up of Real Madrid and Napoli, two very strong teams, and I believe that their matches will be difficult. Group f is made up of Psg, Dortmund, Milan, and Newcastle, and it is the most difficult group in this location. Psg and Ac Milan will want to take advantage of their strong opportunity because they are two of the best teams that have ever competed.

In my opinion Group F is more exciting and challenging, especially for Newcastle, who had just entered the UCL, faced with a team that is very used to the UCL and in terms of squad depth, such as Dormund, PSG, and Milan, there is no doubt about it. Meanwhile, Man United group A only needs to secure points, at least with Bayern Munich they can exchange tickets. But it's still not easy to finish in second place, because Galatasaray and Copenhagen will do whatever they can to give maximum results.

For the other groups it is balanced and there are 2 superior clubs each, it's just that personally I always believe that the dark horse club will qualify without us expecting it.
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September 01, 2023, 05:20:45 AM
First of all, I do not think that Newcastle United will actually be able to win the Champions League. That is even if they reach the finals. Now if you talk about how far they are going to go in the Champions League, that is another discussion.  I personally think that they definitely have the capability to reach the semifinals of the Champions League. After all, they are improving quite quickly. But I am quite confident that they are not going to win the Champions League title.

But at the same time, I am pretty confident that Newcastle United has a better chance and will also go further in the competition compared to AC Milan. I just don’t think that AC Milan is going to be consistent. My expectation from AC Milan is for them to be as inconsistent as they generally are.
I would put PSG and AC Milan through to the round of 16 from group F, it is very possible for Milan to win this group. UCL is not only about the quality of the players you have, but the mentality as a club is a very important point. Dortmund, Newcastle and PSG are still very far from Milan level mentally. Due to the influence of large funds they can buy good players but cannot buy mentality. We can see Man City journey in winning the UCL last season, Pep Guardiola had to build the City squad for 7 years to be the best in Europe.

I predict that Newcastle and Dortmund will not qualify from the group phase, even though many people place both clubs as better than AC Milan.
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