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Quote from: naira on July 22, 2023, 09:21:36 AM

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Actually, for now I still don't see new rivalries like Mbappe and Haaland, especially since the designation of the word rival for them is also a little complicated I think because the conditions are a little different from Ronaldo and Messi.
And yes I agree with you because one of the factors about this rivalry is difficult to happen is because Mbappe is still at PSG.
PSG's conditions are always ranked as one of the candidates in the Champions League but we also know how they always navigate the Champions League so in this case I think it could be one of the conditions where rivalry cannot occur.

In my opinion, the era of rivalry between Ronaldo and Messi cannot be replaced by the presence of Mbappe and Haaland. because both of them are still young and need to achieve as much as possible. So let this run as a challenge for Mabappe and Haaland. At least to reach that point, the Champions League competition must be dominated. Haaland is already at the right club but Mbappe is still struggling with high wages and I am really sick when the news continues to be exposed. If Mbappe stays in just one league and nobody challenges him then I'm sure Haaland can dominate more.

The consequence for Mbappe if he insists on staying at PSG is that he will not get a prestigious title because of PSG's monotony which is only in and in power in domestic competitions only.
Reflecting on Haaland's case when he was at Dortmund he didn't get many titles both individually and in the club but when he met the right club (Manchester City) he turned into a terrible figure.
At the moment Mbappe can also still, he will not get anything if he continues at PSG (except only money) and maybe it would be much better if he looks for a new challenge by finding a club that suits him.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 06:46:39 PM

I'm not going to say that we expect to see a miracle from Thomas Tuchel and his payers in the next season but the fact about ith coach is mostly about the experience he got in the champions league which can be usually for Bayern Munich which is the main reason for them to hire this coach.

The UEFA Champions League is an extremely difficult competition in which the best four teams from each European league compete for the campaign championship. Bayern Munich is a challenging contender for the league title; they frequently lose a game. Perhaps during Julian Nagelsmann's administration at the Allianz Arena, the squad functioned effectively, but after bringing in Thomas Tuchel, the club began performing terribly. In his first season as Bayern Munich manager, Thomas Tuchel won the Bundesliga despite the club's terrible performance.

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Quote from: QueenVera on July 22, 2023, 06:14:29 PM

Even without Haaland Guardiola's team would still perform better than Tuchel's they're both great coaches no doubt but Pep should be more applauded because he's proven himself in 3 different league winning major trophies from all apart from Bayern where he failed to win the Champions League but he's won a Treble for Barcelona and recently in England with Manchester City, the only coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson that should be compared to the level of Pep are José mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti.

Tuchel only wins one big title in Europe, Champions League. The rest titles he has are from France, with PSG and like Ligue 1 titles. He has yet won any Premier League, did not win Bundesliga with Dortmund. You are right that Tuchel has yet achieved big things like Pep Guardiola and even coaches like Jose Mourinho, Ancelloti have yet won trebles like Pep in the last season.

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Tuchel was great for Chelsea helping them In winning their second champions league trophy but I think it was the change of owner that made him loose focus the next season

Tuchel was sacked by Chelsea and did not win Premier League with them but he won one Champions League with them. In Chelsea history, it is their second Champions League title and I am sure Tuchel was marked in Chelsea history. Nobody can deny his achievement in Chelsea history and he will always be remembered by history.

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

I'm not going to say that we expect to see a miracle from Thomas Tuchel and his payers in the next season but the fact about ith coach is mostly about the experience he got in the champions league which can be usually for Bayern Munich which is the main reason for them to hire this coach.

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Quote from: klidex on July 22, 2023, 04:37:28 PM

Actually for me Thomas Tuchel failure when he was at the Chelsea club to improve his performance was not Tuchel fault but a player who was not enthusiastic and inconsistent in every game.
We certainly know that Tuchel is one of the best coach and certainly always provides the best strategy to build a stronger club and several times Thomas Tuchel has tried but failed.
So it all depend on both parties if later Tuchel is at Bayern Munich and the player have high consistency and are very solid, it will definitely be easy for Tuchel to build this club so that they can achieve their dream in the champions league.
When comparing Thomas Tuchel with Pep Guardiola or Klopp, in fact they are both great coaches, it's just that Guardiola has more solid players and there is also Haaland who is his mainstay player

Even without Haaland Guardiola's team would still perform better than Tuchel's they're both great coaches no doubt but Pep should be more applauded because he's proven himself in 3 different league winning major trophies from all apart from Bayern where he failed to win the Champions League but he's won a Treble for Barcelona and recently in England with Manchester City, the only coaches after Sir Alex Ferguson that should be compared to the level of Pep are José mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti.

Tuchel was great for Chelsea helping them In winning their second champions league trophy but I think it was the change of owner that made him loose focus the next season not only him but the entire squad he had then where affected and if only the new owner was patient enough with him and backed him with funds like he did with Potter, Chelsea fc would have stand a better chance of qualifying for the champions league or finishing close to the top four last season, and that is what he needs at Bayern Munich, the full backing of the board with funds to recruit quality players with winning mentality, that would help them challenge for the champions league this season.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 22, 2023, 12:34:27 PM

I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

I guess that if UEFA already considered it all. It will not become a tough match for galatasaray. I see no problem with it and even there was no complaint that was coming from galatasaray regarding the schedule for the next match.
Galatasaray has almost 1 week break from the last match against SK Sturm graz. I see no problem with that at all. 5 - 6 days already considered as good amounts of day to take a break before the next match.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 10:31:14 AM

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

You mean the same Bayern that luckily finish top of it domestic league to blast UCL this season, perhaps if Kane deal becomes successful, that's when I will expect some insight from Bayern else even with Tuchel, not expecting any big changes from Bayern because he is a mid manager since he assume work in Germany and if the. Eventually get to knockout stage, theu will retire as well except they get fixtures with less tough teams that may be an opportunity to move go or maybe as we progress, Tuchel will recruite and bring more good players in the January time as the Champions League continue by February or March but I have high expectations on Arsenal and Napoli this season.

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Basically, I also believe that Tuchel has very good qualities and/or abilities, of course to be able to build Bayern Munich even better, especially for the Champions League. But somehow, after Tuchel failure in his final days at Chelsea at that time, it made me feel seems Tuchel maybe had a certain amount of time to be able to make the team really good. At least, this factor is a big difference with the qualities possessed by Pep Guardiola and maybe also Klopp. But yes, hopefully Tuchel can provide very good results for Bayern Munich in the Champions League next season, and of course that is Bayern Munich main target in appointing Tuchel.

Actually for me Thomas Tuchel failure when he was at the Chelsea club to improve his performance was not Tuchel fault but a player who was not enthusiastic and inconsistent in every game.
We certainly know that Tuchel is one of the best coach and certainly always provides the best strategy to build a stronger club and several times Thomas Tuchel has tried but failed.
So it all depend on both parties if later Tuchel is at Bayern Munich and the player have high consistency and are very solid, it will definitely be easy for Tuchel to build this club so that they can achieve their dream in the champions league.
When comparing Thomas Tuchel with Pep Guardiola or Klopp, in fact they are both great coaches, it's just that Guardiola has more solid players and there is also Haaland who is his mainstay player

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It's not only Bayern Munich who will try to provide competition in the Champions League this season, Manchester United are also trying to form a more solid squad to keep their chances. Thomas Tuchel and Ten Hag will be part of several other great coaches who want to bring their team to the final and win the UCL trophy. This season's Champions League is more difficult and more challenging because so many teams are spending large amounts of money in the transfer market to bring in some quality players, teams from the Premier League dominate in activity in the transfer market.

Arsenal also cannot be underestimated, Arteta is forming new forces within Arsenal. Real Madrid is also trying to keep the opportunity to stay on the path to the championship, the arrival of Luis Enrique to PSG also gives new hope after the failure in the previous season with Galtier. Bayern Munich are still trying to bring in Kane, he can become a reliable spearhead in Bayer Munich front line.
Tuchel, who has experience in the Champions League, can be a threat to other coaches with the squad owned by Bayer Munich.

I'm not sure for Manchester United in this competition, and it's not that I'm undermining Erik Ten Hag's squad. Except, Ten Hag has brought in several other newcomers to deepen their squad. in particular, Manchester United is in dire need of a pure striker. because, they can't always just rely on Marcus Rashford.
anyway, United still can't be underestimated especially since they have a coach who is cool with his performance.

Speaking of Munich, so far I can't say anything to judge the Bavarian squad. because, Tuchel is doing an overhaul for his squad. so, let's just follow the development of this German league giant club. As for Arsenal, Arteta's team is quite ready to face competition in various leagues next season. although in truth, Arsenal lack experience in the Champions League. but with a squad that has competitive depth, it is hoped that they will be able to compete strictly with other competitors.
While PSG, I think Enrique can bring this team much better. However, I don't expect them to go far, let alone reach the final round. One more thing, we don't discuss this team too much. whereas, they are quite strong and competitive. I'm pretty sure Barcelona will be better than before. in fact, it could be that Xavi Hernandes' squad can surprise us.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 10:31:14 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 09:34:19 AM

That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Bayern will be looking at making it to the champions league final next season if they acquire the services of Kane,and if they do,I see them getting to either semi finals or finals of the Uefa Champions league.Tuchel is a great coach that I admire right from the time he was at chelsea caching them,he was my best coach in the premier league,but because of impatience, Chelsea sacked him,and made him remain jobless for some period of time.Like they say,that every dissappoint is a blessing,it's really a blessing indeed to him,because he wasn't even looking at the direction of coaching a team like Bayern,but because he was doing very well while he was at Chelsea,they had to higher him to be their coach,and he is doing well,and I know he will definitely make Bayern get to either the finals or the semi finals of the UEFA Champions league.Nevertheless,I won't over praise him because football is unpredictable,let's hope to see what happens.

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I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

Well a lot of teams that are in the qualification start really early. Galatasaray is even lucky because there were a few rounds before that so they had at least sometime to prepare. Zalgiris shouldnt be a problem for them should like a friendly game for them because Zalgiris is weak.

Last season we saw a very good performance from the Galatasaray team. This group is now quite strong. They have a strong squad. And the players in the squad have a strong bond. This is why the performance of the team is quite consistent. I don't think the FK Zalgiris team is strong. This team will be far behind Galatasaray. If there are no accidents in this match, Galatasaray will get an easy win.

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Quote from: 1kodumtek7 on July 22, 2023, 12:34:27 PM

I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

Well a lot of teams that are in the qualification start really early. Galatasaray is even lucky because there were a few rounds before that so they had at least sometime to prepare. Zalgiris shouldnt be a problem for them should like a friendly game for them because Zalgiris is weak.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on July 22, 2023, 04:49:51 AM

Bayern Munich were quite disappointing in the Champions League last season. Actually it has been the case for 3 seasons. They were the champions in the 2019/20 season. But since then their biggest success is to reach the quarter finals. In one of these seasons they were even eliminated by Villarreal surprisingly.

It looks like something needs to change really much for them to do better here. Tuchel might be the one to make this happen maybe. He was amazing by winning the Champions League with Chelsea in his first season already in a time that they weren't given much chance for this achievement.

Of course this was a really difficult task. But now Tuchel will have an even more powerful squad in his hands. It is all up to his managing to work his system with this team from now on.

Tuchel definitely has a good squad to fight for a higher chance but I am not sure if he will be able to. This would be his first full season and he needs to make sure that the team knows what he expects from them, if the team is aware of the tactics and the strategy then sure they could do better but it is a very tough situation.

The world of football is built by money and culture, Real is not owned by some rich oil guy, but they win all the time, City is, and they won too. So you need to be able to get both of them, Bayern has a great football culture, but they lack the money part a lot and they are playing against teams that have more than double their money when they go to higher stages, to beat them is a very tough task.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 10:31:14 AM

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That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

Basically, I also believe that Tuchel has very good qualities and/or abilities, of course to be able to build Bayern Munich even better, especially for the Champions League. But somehow, after Tuchel failure in his final days at Chelsea at that time, it made me feel seems Tuchel maybe had a certain amount of time to be able to make the team really good. At least, this factor is a big difference with the qualities possessed by Pep Guardiola and maybe also Klopp. But yes, hopefully Tuchel can provide very good results for Bayern Munich in the Champions League next season, and of course that is Bayern Munich main target in appointing Tuchel.

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I think it is gross injustice for the teams playing here that the Champions League qualifiers are organized this early. UEFA should absolutely review their format about this topic. For example Galatasaray started their new season training almost without giving a break only to be prepared for the qualifiers and they are going to play against Zalgiris on Tuesday.

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Quote from: Falconer on July 22, 2023, 12:22:09 PM

I don't think Tuchel is as genius as we think if the team he coaches doesn't give him the space to buy more of the players he wants. Bayern Munich should give him a budget to sign some targeted players to improve the quality of his team according to the plan, but I don't know much how many players have arrived during this transfer market and how many players have left.

Sadio Mane is a good striker, but it's true that maybe he doesn't have a good relationship with the team or his team-mates. He needs support not hate, but things are never the same as when he was at Liverpool.

Thomas Tuchel is an overrated average couch but as far as I am concern, I don't really expect much from him that last season taking into account how the odds were against him before he was hired to manage Munich. Things will definitely get messy and with time he'll be able to control the game again. You can see how things was going with Klopp at Liverpool that same last season before it suddenly changed towards the end of the season.
Mane is just unlucky with that transfer that led him to Munich.

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Tuchel actually has a lot of strikers, but it seems that Sadio Mane's problem is making the team not harmonious. Actually with the new coach the case should have stopped and they are ready for the new conditions. I myself did not hear the statement of Sadio Mane who wanted to leave. They also have Marcel Sabitzer from Man United. If Tuchel does not get a new striker, they can make use of the existing stock of players. I think Tuchel is also a genius coach because he has a lot of experience and is a champion with a big club.

I don't think Tuchel is as genius as we think if the team he coaches doesn't give him the space to buy more of the players he wants. Bayern Munich should give him a budget to sign some targeted players to improve the quality of his team according to the plan, but I don't know much how many players have arrived during this transfer market and how many players have left.

Sadio Mane is a good striker, but it's true that maybe he doesn't have a good relationship with the team or his team-mates. He needs support not hate, but things are never the same as when he was at Liverpool.

Sadio Mane made a big loss in his career by joining Bayern Munich. Because Sadio is an impossibly good forward player. I think Sadio Mane needs to join another club at the moment.

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Tuchel actually has a lot of strikers, but it seems that Sadio Mane's problem is making the team not harmonious. Actually with the new coach the case should have stopped and they are ready for the new conditions. I myself did not hear the statement of Sadio Mane who wanted to leave. They also have Marcel Sabitzer from Man United. If Tuchel does not get a new striker, they can make use of the existing stock of players. I think Tuchel is also a genius coach because he has a lot of experience and is a champion with a big club.

I don't think Tuchel is as genius as we think if the team he coaches doesn't give him the space to buy more of the players he wants. Bayern Munich should give him a budget to sign some targeted players to improve the quality of his team according to the plan, but I don't know much how many players have arrived during this transfer market and how many players have left.

Sadio Mane is a good striker, but it's true that maybe he doesn't have a good relationship with the team or his team-mates. He needs support not hate, but things are never the same as when he was at Liverpool.

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Quote from: rozak on July 22, 2023, 06:02:14 AM

hopefully Tuchel can form his best squad with Munich. but Tuchel still hasn't found a striker to fill the front lines. if in the transfer market this summer Munich doesn't get what Tuchel is looking for. I'm afraid there won't be much change in Munich's performance this season. even when Tuchel tries to make the most of the current players.
I hope Tuchel is successful this season, in the Bundesliga and in the Champions League.

Tuchel actually has a lot of strikers, but it seems that Sadio Mane's problem is making the team not harmonious. Actually with the new coach the case should have stopped and they are ready for the new conditions. I myself did not hear the statement of Sadio Mane who wanted to leave. They also have Marcel Sabitzer from Man United. If Tuchel does not get a new striker, they can make use of the existing stock of players. I think Tuchel is also a genius coach because he has a lot of experience and is a champion with a big club.

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Quote from: superman184 on July 22, 2023, 10:31:14 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 22, 2023, 09:34:19 AM

That's why hired Thomas Tuchel, because of his experience in the champions league and they know a coach like Tuchel knows the way to make a team win the Champions League. On the other hand, Tuchel got a chance to have better teams than last season they are still hiring players like Kane for the next season which can increase their chances.

I also believe that next season Bayern Munich will be very different from last season, because Thomas Tuchel is trying to make the Bayern Munich team stronger than the previous season because Thomas Tuchel will make a more accurate proof next season where Bayern Munich is still a team to be reckoned with in the Champions League along with its domestic league as well. Player recruitment will continue this season and I also want to see if Bayern Munich can really get Kane.

It's not only Bayern Munich who will try to provide competition in the Champions League this season, Manchester United are also trying to form a more solid squad to keep their chances. Thomas Tuchel and Ten Hag will be part of several other great coaches who want to bring their team to the final and win the UCL trophy. This season's Champions League is more difficult and more challenging because so many teams are spending large amounts of money in the transfer market to bring in some quality players, teams from the Premier League dominate in activity in the transfer market.

Arsenal also cannot be underestimated, Arteta is forming new forces within Arsenal. Real Madrid is also trying to keep the opportunity to stay on the path to the championship, the arrival of Luis Enrique to PSG also gives new hope after the failure in the previous season with Galtier. Bayern Munich are still trying to bring in Kane, he can become a reliable spearhead in Bayer Munich front line.
Tuchel, who has experience in the Champions League, can be a threat to other coaches with the squad owned by Bayer Munich.

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