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July 05, 2023, 11:35:43 PM
Inter's last triumph was back in 2010 when they won the champions league title and now they are trying to continue to regenerate their squad and the results of last season being able to reach the champions league final is certainly a very good achievement. Maybe Inter isn't as good as other clubs who already have a very even squad depth, but they also shouldn't be underestimated because they managed to get rid of other strong teams like Napoli and Milan. I think Inter will still surprise the other top teams and no one knows how Inter will perform next season, for sure they still want much better results.
the heyday of Inter Milan in 2010 won the champions league trophy and also won the treble title thanks to the help of experienced coach Mourinho. Inter Milan still always has the chance to get a trophy in the UCL with the experience gained but that depends on the coach that Inter currently has.
the reason I say it all depends on the coach because Inter has to get past big teams like Man City and Real Madrid in the UCL so if Inzaghi can contribute a good strategy like Mourinho, it will definitely be easy to compete with big teams in the champions league.
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July 05, 2023, 09:50:56 PM
I would never put Inter among any kind of favourite teams in the Champions League. Yeah I must admit that they did a really good work by making it to the finale this season. But this isn't the kind of a success they achieve much often. Inter were way better than this in the Champions League in the past. But now we rarely see them at this level. 2000s and 2010s were the best time periods in which Inter were quite impressive in this tournament. To reach that level they need to work harder.
They could also make the best teams next Season,..you never can tell... Just like nobody saw Thier performances last season coming, they could do more.
Secondly, they ain't got the same players from 2010 still playing with them anyways, so if they had won the champions league with much ease, then that was because they had a better combination than today.... The likes of Mario balotelli and Samuel Eto'o was on Thier finesse forms and alot more would've happened if they had the time against Bayern.

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Inter's last triumph was back in 2010 when they won the champions league title and now they are trying to continue to regenerate their squad and the results of last season being able to reach the champions league final is certainly a very good achievement. Maybe Inter isn't as good as other clubs who already have a very even squad depth, but they also shouldn't be underestimated because they managed to get rid of other strong teams like Napoli and Milan. I think Inter will still surprise the other top teams and no one knows how Inter will perform next season, for sure they still want much better results.
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July 05, 2023, 09:11:40 PM
So far, the only players Manchester City have managed to bring in are Kovacic and the rest are apparently still awaiting the negotiation process. We know that every season Manchester City always chases the major title as the club's achievement and last season no one really thought they could win the treble winner. In the next season it is likely that it will be difficult for Manchester City to go through and therefore they must continue to emphasize new strategies for their players to be able to defend the title, especially the Champions League. Real Madrid is still the main competitor for Manchester City to fight for the Champions League title next season and there are still rumors regarding Mbappe, but in my opinion, without Mbappe at Real Madrid, they can still threaten Manchester City with the current squad. Wink
Manchester City completing the treble this season defied expectations, but the impossible happens in sports. It's a huge surprise to see an English club surpass other elite league clubs; at first, everyone thought it was just a series of challenges, but as time passed, things began to turn for the better, and I could recall with certainty that Pep Guardiola and his squad are the unbeaten team, with extremely excellent performance in every league game. Guardiola is more concerned with finding a backup substitute for IIkay Gundogan, and he made the right decision in signing Kovacic from Chelsea, who will contribute to the team.

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July 05, 2023, 07:56:09 PM
I very much doubt that halaand will leave manchester city so soon, the management of manchester city knows the great importance he has and extending his contract for as long as possible would be the best strategy for city to guarantee profit if another team wants to buy haland
Haaland just had one season with Manchester City and got a treble with them. He has a long contract with Manchester City and he will only think of finding new challenge if he win some more titles with them and feel enough with titles. Then if he wants to have experience in a new league, at a new club, he will leave Manchester City. With player like Haaland, only if he suddenly get serious injury that puts an ending for his career or if he has some serious conflicts with the club, Manchester City will not easily to let him moving out.

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now talking about champions league, it's funny that in champions league most of the times the winning teams and even the ones that reach the final are not the best teams in their local leagues, it's the teams that were lucky, let's look at the case of chelsea when they won the champions league, when chelsea won the champions league they were not doing well in the premier league and lost against city, but unbelievable that chelsea reached the final and won city
Because Champions League has a cup format with knock out matches. You don't need to be a strongest team in a tournament to take the trophy. Solving opponents one by one and move to the final, win it by any way and take the trophy. You can be a strongest team but you can not win a trophy but you can take it if you have appropriate tactics and get luckiness with your journey.

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when inter reached the final last season they were bad in serie A that they even lost against the weakest teams in serie A and inter was very lucky to play against very weak teams from the european champions league and they reached the final when they were already improving in series A and they created many difficulties for manhester city in the final
Without a goal from Rodri, the final match will be more interesting and even got that conceded goal, Inter Milan later came very closely to an equalizer. It tells us everything about their quality and ability to beat Manchester City.
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July 05, 2023, 06:52:57 PM
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It's based on other's opinion. I prefer to replace PSG with real madrid. Bayern must also be placed under real madrid. I do know that the leave from benzema has been decreasing confidence from people to pick madrid as favorite club to win the league.
In my opinion if we are also missing, serie a club from the list. I will prefer to put intermilan on the list but that' based on the bookmakers' favorite list.
It is difficult to give predictions in a transfer period that has not yet ended. But under the same conditions I would indeed choose Man City. Statistically at the moment indeed Man City still looks convincing. As for Bayern Munich, I still have doubts about the current situation. They were unstable at the end of the season because of the change of coach. As for Inter, even though they are Runer Up this year I did not include them in the list of favorite teams. But I am aware there will be many surprises that are beyond reason as Inter experienced this year going into the Final.

I consider Manchester City to be favorites. There have been a lot of changes within all the big and renowned teams. Only Manchester City hasn't changed much. They lost Gundogan. But Guardiola won't have too much trouble finding a suitable replacement for Gundogan. Real Madrid and PSG, on the other hand, have lost the best strikers in their squads. Bayern Munich's situation is not stable yet. And so till now, the Manchester City team is in the best position.
Manchester city simply took advantage of other teams lapses to secure their champions league victory. Am very sure if Haaland were to leave come next season, that the team would find it hard to even remain top 3 on their English league.
I consider Real Madrid a very good contender and Barca too. Inter Milan just don't have the tenacity to win the league against a side like Manchester city. The winnings too also depends of the technical prowess of the manager, no doubt.

I very much doubt that halaand will leave manchester city so soon, the management of manchester city knows the great importance he has and extending his contract for as long as possible would be the best strategy for city to guarantee profit if another team wants to buy haland, now talking about champions league, it's funny that in champions league most of the times the winning teams and even the ones that reach the final are not the best teams in their local leagues, it's the teams that were lucky, let's look at the case of chelsea when they won the champions league, when chelsea won the champions league they were not doing well in the premier league and lost against city, but unbelievable that chelsea reached the final and won city

when inter reached the final last season they were bad in serie A that they even lost against the weakest teams in serie A and inter was very lucky to play against very weak teams from the european champions league and they reached the final when they were already improving in series A and they created many difficulties for manhester city in the final, by that I mean that in the champions league the team that is luckier wins, of course having a good squad helps a lot, but a team with good defense and luck finding weak opponents will win, I see city as a candidate to win the champions league again next season
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July 05, 2023, 06:47:44 PM
So far, the only players Manchester City have managed to bring in are Kovacic and the rest are apparently still awaiting the negotiation process. We know that every season Manchester City always chases the major title as the club's achievement and last season no one really thought they could win the treble winner. In the next season it is likely that it will be difficult for Manchester City to go through and therefore they must continue to emphasize new strategies for their players to be able to defend the title, especially the Champions League. Real Madrid is still the main competitor for Manchester City to fight for the Champions League title next season and there are still rumors regarding Mbappe, but in my opinion, without Mbappe at Real Madrid, they can still threaten Manchester City with the current squad. Wink

I don't think Real Madrid can match Manchester city next season, Kovacic is a very good player don't underrate him. Just imagine how he was balling in a weak team like Chelsea and won the champion league with them now imagine how he'll be balling in a complete team like that of the Manchester city teams that has every position accounted for. Kovacic will be prime Ozil with partnership with Kevin De Bruyne. I don't think we are ready for what Pep Guardiola is cooking for next season. Manchester city squad was already superb and now they're adding more experience players.

Winning the treble next season might just be an understatement as I feel Manchester city are capable of winning all tournaments that they participants in and that starts from the club world cup that they'll be playing at the beginning of the season and also the community shield with other tournament next season. No manager is up to the levels of Pep Guardiola at the moment so he's capable of winning everything. He has the experience and still has the money backing him.
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July 05, 2023, 06:35:10 PM
The next Champions League can be very much to predict but still, Real Madrid is one good chance of winning the title because they are spending lots of money to hire the best players they can hire and Real Madrid is still waiting and hoping to hire Mbappe for the next season which can make this team very dangerous for any other team.
On the other hand, Manchester City is going to continue the good perforate we saw from them in the next season and they will be the most important opponent for Real Madrid.
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July 05, 2023, 05:14:40 PM
Manchester city simply took advantage of other teams lapses to secure their champions league victory. Am very sure if Haaland were to leave come next season, that the team would find it hard to even remain top 3 on their English league.

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Why would you say this? This team won the premier league in the two previous seasons before Halland without a center forward. Without Halland Manchester City is still a very good contender to win the English premier league.
You don't have to be a fan to acknowledge what a club has achieved.
You watched Manchester City play and you say Halland is the only reason why they are top of the league? Joke.

And what do you mean by "Manchester City took advantages of other teams lapses to secure their champions league"
City played welled and won their games. One beautify thing about the champions league is that the best team of the tournament doesn't necessarily win it, making it very difficult to predict the winner accurately. But Manchester City were the best team of the competition and they won it. They won all their games convincingly also.
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July 05, 2023, 05:04:04 PM
Manchester city simply took advantage of other teams lapses to secure their champions league victory. Am very sure if Haaland were to leave come next season, that the team would find it hard to even remain top 3 on their English league.
I consider Real Madrid a very good contender and Barca too. Inter Milan just don't have the tenacity to win the league against a side like Manchester city. The winnings too also depends of the technical prowess of the manager, no doubt.
Last season alot of teams were struggling they were either having issues with players lack of form or having issues with coaches that was why it was easy for them to go ahead and win their first champions league. Their champions league final against chelsea in 2021 and also their semi final against Real Madrid last season showed they lack a striker, someone that will just score goals for them, these matches matches proved to guardiola that they needed a striker and that was the main reason he signed Haaland and as we can see Haaland proved him right that a striker was all he needed. 

Barca Contending for the champions league now would be impossible because they don’t have the squad yet to compete in the champions league. If they are lucky enough they would reach round of 16 or probably quarterfinal but I don’t think they would go past the quarterfinal. The champions league winner can not be predicted yet until every team is done with transfers and the league commences.
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July 05, 2023, 05:02:20 PM
You are trying to reduce everything to individual episodes (mistakes happen everywhere and against everyone), and I am trying to talk about larger things. If you are not a supporter of conspiracy theories, then you must agree that mistakes are everywhere and that well done who, firstly, was able to take advantage of them, and secondly, created those potential opportunities where they arose - after all, if Real Madrid had not attacked, then 100% there would be no those errors. But Real attacked and looked for their chances. The World Cup and Champions League have more variance (and more error impact) as they are short tournaments with a playoff stage, but things even out in the long run.

You can have your opinion, and that is totally fine, but if we want sports to "may the best win", we need the hawk eye in tennis and the VAR in soccer. The reason is simple because the better the players, the less accurate can referees be. If a player touches the line in tennis dozens of times during a match (and this is what we all want, the maximum limit in quality), a referee will need assistance to make the right decisions. Here we are talking about defending three titles in a row and you can say whatever you want, but this streak of errors being decided in favor of Real Madrid is unprecedented in my opinion and it is not issue if we are talking about a wrong corner or throw in, but we are talking about offside goals, red cards and brutal injuries when Ramos took Salah down like a wrestler. If you call wrestling in soccer "a potential opportunity", so be it. I call an offside goal an offside goal and a red card a red card. It is pretty well known that Casemiro, Pepe and Ramos are among the most brutal players out there. Genius and brutal at the same time.

I don't understand what you are trying to prove. All clubs played under equal conditions (yes, imperfect but the equal) and Real Madrid set a great achievement that no one else could - they won the Champions League three times in a row. All talk about individual episodes or even about a whole "conspiracy" is, as they say, "talking in favor of the poor".
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July 05, 2023, 04:56:13 PM
I can understand that as I myself think that the first player who comes to mind when talking Tottenham is Kane and when you talk about Kane , Tottenham comes to one's mind. It would be a big loss for them and that is why I believe they will offer him a lot of money for a last signature from him.

This kind of problem always exists with players who stand out at a club. It's like the case of Ronaldo or Messi, the expectation of all fans on them is to stay at the club. How much money with a new contract will not make Kane comfortable if his heart is uncomfortable. His second move may have already peaked, last season he failed to leave. I felt some time at the beginning of last season Kane seemed to have a decline in quality. But he was able to perform professionally, he scored 30 goals in the EPL. But Tottenham suffered a final drop in the EPL.
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July 05, 2023, 04:37:45 PM
Why do you say this? Manchester city has been a top three contender ever since without haaland both in their league and also in the champions league for some time now or have you forgotten that they actually played a champions league final with Chelsea which they unluckily lost. But no doubt haaland improved their strength for the title but they were already a too team and I still believe they do well even if they lost haaland, guardiola is a good coach and he will probably find some other player to fill in his shoes.

The fact that they were there and couldn't smell the Champions League, there is nothing to prove to justify that they are good and capable of winning the Champions League. They were there and in there history, they have never won the Champions League in their entire life until the Haaland and Bruyne were signed in 2022 and consequently, they won the Champions league in that season, and the fact that he was able to have more goals in that season, even a blind man will say Haaland was the moving vehicle for Manchester United just that as the matches were approaching the end, he wasn't have chance and opportunity as many other teams weren't giving him space because he do destroy opponent in small opportunity.

Haaland is young and strong, if he is good or lucky, we will find out this season because the first time Mbape won his first World Cup, many people said it was lucky but we all saw how he did RIP to Argentina even if they won at the end. Haaland should be able to do the same thing by next season if he is good as people hype about him.
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July 05, 2023, 04:36:26 PM
I would never put Inter among any kind of favourite teams in the Champions League. Yeah I must admit that they did a really good work by making it to the finale this season. But this isn't the kind of a success they achieve much often. Inter were way better than this in the Champions League in the past. But now we rarely see them at this level. 2000s and 2010s were the best time periods in which Inter were quite impressive in this tournament. To reach that level they need to work harder.
They could also make the best teams next Season,..you never can tell... Just like nobody saw Thier performances last season coming, they could do more.
Secondly, they ain't got the same players from 2010 still playing with them anyways, so if they had won the champions league with much ease, then that was because they had a better combination than today.... The likes of Mario balotelli and Samuel Eto'o was on Thier finesse forms and alot more would've happened if they had the time against Bayern.

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July 05, 2023, 04:27:46 PM
It is optimistic to say that Real Madrid will change things for the better undoubtedly because even when Bellingham is a great player who has shown his quality in many games already, Borussia Dortmund is not Real Madrid. Nobody knows whether it works from day one or whether he needs some time to get accustomed to his new teammates and everything else. But the striker position is still an open wound in the team that they need to cure most importantly. The supply side in the transfer market for high quality strikers is very thin and the players who are available are so expensive that even Real Madrid has to think avout potential transfers and first check what is possible for them.
Yes I agree with you, every player definitely needs time to adapt to his new team. Whether it's the style of play, the formation of the coach and of course the emotional relationship with other fellow players. There are lots of star players who failed to shine after joining Madrid, most recently Hazard who has left there. Purchased at a high price from Chelsea he failed to show his best quality in Madrid.

For strikers I think Madrid, especially Ancelotti, still have many options to rotate their players, Joselu, who is on loan from Espanyol, could be an option. Although at this time Ancelotti really wants to get a replacement that is commensurate with Benzema, he seems to be very careful in recruiting new players so that the same thing does not happen like the hazard that failed since the first season. Slowly but surely, Ancelotti is building his squad to reach the Champions League Final next season and win the La Liga title from Barcelona.

It was now said that Tottenham Hotspurs is willing to raise the salary for Kane significantly one more time in order to convince him to stay with Tottenham, but will money really be that important to Kane? I guess it doesn't matter where he goes as currently there is Bayern Munich and Real Madrid making offers for him I think, but at both cubs he will earn enough and for him it is about getting the chance to win some trophies. That is something Tottenham can't offer him, but they are afraid that they will lose their face when Kane leaves the club. I can understand that as I myself think that the first player who comes to mind when talking Tottenham is Kane and when you talk about Kane , Tottenham comes to one's mind. It would be a big loss for them and that is why I believe they will offer him a lot of money for a last signature from him.
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July 05, 2023, 04:24:43 PM
Real Madrid next season will surely be better than this season because in this transfer process they will made an effort to sign players that can really add quality to their side. Bellingham is undoubtedly a very talented player. With an experienced squad like Madrid, he will become more experienced. In my opinion, Bellingham become a legendary player for Madrid in the future like Modric. I think Bellingham has the potential. Also Real Madrid need to strong striker like Kylian Mbappé. Madrid must succeed in bringing Mbappe from PSG.

It is optimistic to say that Real Madrid will change things for the better undoubtedly because even when Bellingham is a great player who has shown his quality in many games already, Borussia Dortmund is not Real Madrid. Nobody knows whether it works from day one or whether he needs some time to get accustomed to his new teammates and everything else. But the striker position is still an open wound in the team that they need to cure most importantly. The supply side in the transfer market for high quality strikers is very thin and the players who are available are so expensive that even Real Madrid has to think avout potential transfers and first check what is possible for them.
This is still possible but of course we must also be aware of other conditions. This is the Champions League where every great team from various domestic leagues gather so this is another reference. Also, we can't convince ourselves that a new player will be successful at a club because there are still two possibilities in this case he could be very successful and he could also fail especially since we know Madrid is one of the clubs that can actually dim great players because their performance can be very bad there so I think convincing yourself because Jude is there but still hasn't seen how he plays will be very difficult.
Also, Benzema's replacement for now is Brahim Diaz and Joselu is still the same as Jude because there hasn't been any action because they haven't played yet so talking about being optimistic about this is probably very good and I like it because I'm also a Madridista but on the other hand don't have too high expectations either because anything can still happen.
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July 05, 2023, 04:14:10 PM
Why do you say this? Manchester city has been a top three contender ever since without haaland both in their league and also in the champions league for some time now or have you forgotten that they actually played a champions league final with Chelsea which they unluckily lost. But no doubt haaland improved their strength for the title but they were already a too team and I still believe they do well even if they lost haaland, guardiola is a good coach and he will probably find some other player to fill in his shoes.
In fact, they made it when there is Haaland. Man City right is very solid, moreover, there is Haaland who really brings big support to Man City. but on the other hand, Man City also has a very solid and strong squad on various fronts, which supports Haaland up front. With Haaland, they have the focal point of the game and test their opponent's mentality. But apart from Haaland, they are also strong on many fronts, as we saw in the semi-finals and final yesterday, Haaland made an extraordinary contribution, but he didn't score a goal. There was a solid and strong unity between the squad and also Guardiola at that time.
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July 05, 2023, 04:12:46 PM
Real Madrid next season will surely be better than this season because in this transfer process they will made an effort to sign players that can really add quality to their side. Bellingham is undoubtedly a very talented player. With an experienced squad like Madrid, he will become more experienced. In my opinion, Bellingham become a legendary player for Madrid in the future like Modric. I think Bellingham has the potential. Also Real Madrid need to strong striker like Kylian Mbappé. Madrid must succeed in bringing Mbappe from PSG.

It is optimistic to say that Real Madrid will change things for the better undoubtedly because even when Bellingham is a great player who has shown his quality in many games already, Borussia Dortmund is not Real Madrid. Nobody knows whether it works from day one or whether he needs some time to get accustomed to his new teammates and everything else. But the striker position is still an open wound in the team that they need to cure most importantly. The supply side in the transfer market for high quality strikers is very thin and the players who are available are so expensive that even Real Madrid has to think avout potential transfers and first check what is possible for them.

Yes, ı agree with your opinion. Every football player needs a certain amount of time to adapt to his new team. However I think Jude Bellingham can overcome the adaptation problem. Maybe I'm too optimistic as you said.

I think the biggest problem facing Real Madrid is that Carlo Ancelotti will soon be the new manager of the Brazilian National Team.
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July 05, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
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It's based on other's opinion. I prefer to replace PSG with real madrid. Bayern must also be placed under real madrid. I do know that the leave from benzema has been decreasing confidence from people to pick madrid as favorite club to win the league.
In my opinion if we are also missing, serie a club from the list. I will prefer to put intermilan on the list but that' based on the bookmakers' favorite list.
It is difficult to give predictions in a transfer period that has not yet ended. But under the same conditions I would indeed choose Man City. Statistically at the moment indeed Man City still looks convincing. As for Bayern Munich, I still have doubts about the current situation. They were unstable at the end of the season because of the change of coach. As for Inter, even though they are Runer Up this year I did not include them in the list of favorite teams. But I am aware there will be many surprises that are beyond reason as Inter experienced this year going into the Final.

I consider Manchester City to be favorites. There have been a lot of changes within all the big and renowned teams. Only Manchester City hasn't changed much. They lost Gundogan. But Guardiola won't have too much trouble finding a suitable replacement for Gundogan. Real Madrid and PSG, on the other hand, have lost the best strikers in their squads. Bayern Munich's situation is not stable yet. And so till now, the Manchester City team is in the best position.
Manchester city simply took advantage of other teams lapses to secure their champions league victory. Am very sure if Haaland were to leave come next season, that the team would find it hard to even remain top 3 on their English league.
I consider Real Madrid a very good contender and Barca too. Inter Milan just don't have the tenacity to win the league against a side like Manchester city. The winnings too also depends of the technical prowess of the manager, no doubt.
Why do you say this? Manchester city has been a top three contender ever since without haaland both in their league and also in the champions league for some time now or have you forgotten that they actually played a champions league final with Chelsea which they unluckily lost. But no doubt haaland improved their strength for the title but they were already a too team and I still believe they do well even if they lost haaland, guardiola is a good coach and he will probably find some other player to fill in his shoes.
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July 05, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
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It's based on other's opinion. I prefer to replace PSG with real madrid. Bayern must also be placed under real madrid. I do know that the leave from benzema has been decreasing confidence from people to pick madrid as favorite club to win the league.
In my opinion if we are also missing, serie a club from the list. I will prefer to put intermilan on the list but that' based on the bookmakers' favorite list.
It is difficult to give predictions in a transfer period that has not yet ended. But under the same conditions I would indeed choose Man City. Statistically at the moment indeed Man City still looks convincing. As for Bayern Munich, I still have doubts about the current situation. They were unstable at the end of the season because of the change of coach. As for Inter, even though they are Runer Up this year I did not include them in the list of favorite teams. But I am aware there will be many surprises that are beyond reason as Inter experienced this year going into the Final.

I consider Manchester City to be favorites. There have been a lot of changes within all the big and renowned teams. Only Manchester City hasn't changed much. They lost Gundogan. But Guardiola won't have too much trouble finding a suitable replacement for Gundogan. Real Madrid and PSG, on the other hand, have lost the best strikers in their squads. Bayern Munich's situation is not stable yet. And so till now, the Manchester City team is in the best position.
Manchester city simply took advantage of other teams lapses to secure their champions league victory. Am very sure if Haaland were to leave come next season, that the team would find it hard to even remain top 3 on their English league.
I consider Real Madrid a very good contender and Barca too. Inter Milan just don't have the tenacity to win the league against a side like Manchester city. The winnings too also depends of the technical prowess of the manager, no doubt.
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July 05, 2023, 03:00:13 PM
Inter can be expected to be one of the favourites, but it may not be as strong as Bayern Munich, Manchester City, Real Madrid and several other top teams. Everything still depends on who will be their opponent in the group, so it is still very difficult to predict.

Manchester City, PSG, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid are the 4 undoubted favorites at the moment, but other teams will also be playing for the same objective in the Champions League. It will really be a very big history if Pep Guardiola is really able to defend the Champions League title with Manchester City next season. But I would doubt that.

I would never put Inter among any kind of favourite teams in the Champions League. Yeah I must admit that they did a really good work by making it to the finale this season. But this isn't the kind of a success they achieve much often. Inter were way better than this in the Champions League in the past. But now we rarely see them at this level. 2000s and 2010s were the best time periods in which Inter were quite impressive in this tournament. To reach that level they need to work harder.

Of course they don't put a main goal for themselves like they will make it to the finale or achieve a close success to that. They just want to enjoy their game and do the best they can. Besides they didn't come across a favourite like Manchester City until facing them after the group stage. Maybe they would have been eliminated earlier in that case.
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