Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 38. (Read 141700 times)

100% correct. In a football match, there should be 1 winner and 1 loser. And we must understand that the result sometimes can be unpredictable due to many factors. Real Madrid can be the favorite team but if they do a mistake in the match, they can get a lose. Which team that can play more confident, apply the right tactic, and do a good teamwork, they will have a higher chance to win in the match. Let's see which team that can optimize the potential in the match.

Common football fans probably favor Real Madrid to win the match. People know well which team has better players and has incredible history in UCL final. That's why people call Real Madrid as the king of UCL. But this can't guarantee them to win UCL, Real Madrid must do a serious effort if they want to beat Dortmund. The status of King UCL and good records in previous finals won't bring real impacts in the field. It finally depends on how Real Madrid players can play with their best level.

Ancelotti has warned all the players to focus on the match, don't be influenced with the status of favorite team: https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/uefa-champions-league/articles-video/ancelotti-warns-that-madrid-will-have-to-suffer-in-the-final-against-dortmund-2024-05-27

We should know how special they can become and how different and straightforward is Real Madrid towards winning their titles. They've fought so hard to reach this stage and will do everything within their possession to ensure they're accumulating good points. Borussia Dortmund does stand a chance to win Real Madrid in the UEFA Champions League final? This is simply one of the underrated matches for Los Blancos because they're always leading when the odds involves Real Madrid. 

But this Dortmund's coach is one that his effort really needs to be commended because thesame season that he sold Haaland and the present Real Madrid star boy,and the next season,he has taken the ones available to the champions league final.He is a really good coach,and I see what he's doing at the club.I agree that Real Madrid have big players than Dortmund now,but the only thing that I see about this Dortmund team is the unity and team work among the players,and that is the only reason why Madrid will sweat before winning them,that is if they will be able to win them,but I doubt it a little,it might end in a draw,and they will go to penalties.

Dortmund in definitely not at the same level as Real Madrid because they have many more investments so far in Real Madrid while in Dortmund they couldn't do that instead of investing in the team and buying some more exercise players to have better performance in the next games, they just try to sell the young and more expensive players to earn some more money and that's the business plan they have in Dortmund. Now I want to see if this is going to work for Dortmund against Real Madrid or not.

Losing and winning in one match is normal for all teams, but when the favorite team loses in one match then many users will be surprised by it. Real Madrid was not expected to lose in the final at all, so everyone would be surprised if Dortmund could beat Madrid.

I'm not a Dortmund fan and I'm not a Real Madrid fan either. I still think that Real Madrid are the favorites because of the depth of the squad and their performance this season, but Real Madrid can still lose because of their own mistakes and also because Dortmund are playing well. Both teams have the potential to lose or win, but Real Madrid's victory is much more realistic to expect than Dortmund's. I hope you agree with this one, no debate.

Yep. Some people feel worried with Real Madrid because they can't accept the fact that Leverkusen could be defeated by Atalanta. If we want to analyze the fact, it makes sense if Leverkusen can be defeated because Leverkusen isn't a superior team in Europa league. Leverkusen is only a new team that can make a record in the domestic competitions in German. But it is different when the team play in international competition such as UCL and UEL. It is not the first time that a team who performed bad in domestic competition like Atalanta can be the winner in an international competition. Also, it is about the level of the domestic competition. I think Serie A has a higher level tan Bundesliga, so Atalanta often played against strong teams. When they play against Leverkusen from a lower level of local league, it is not really surprising if Atalanta can defeat them.

Regarding the match Real Madrid vs Dortmund in the next final UCL, it is very different with the final of Leverkusen vs Atalanta. In UCL, Real Madrid is surely a king of the competition, they can prove it by winning mostly the trophy. Real Madrid also made fantastic record in the final UCL. They could play in the final 17 times, they only got 3 defeats. And in the last 8 UCL finals, Real Madrid never got a defeat. If we consider this history, it is very clear that Real Madrid is favorite team. They can prove it in many seasons of UCL competition.

Of course, we can't deny that a favorite team can be defeated. Dortmund is not a weak team, they are one of the top teams in Bundesliga. However, Real Madrid has stronger squad, they have more top players. Real Madrid also has signed the star players of Dortmund, Bellingham. And I heard the issue that Real Madrid must give a big amount of money to Dortmund if Bellingham can lead Real Madrid to win UCL trophy this season. Some media stated the amount of the money is bigger than the prize of UCL winner. Considering all of these reasons, no doubt Real Madrid potentially wins the final UCL this season.

Please read this news:
1. https://www.givemesport.com/borussia-dortmund-could-make-more-money-lose-champions-league-final/
2. https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/football/borussia-dortmund-will-earn-more-money-than-real-madrid-if-they-lose-champions-league-final-thanks-to-bizarre-clause-436282

I disagree that the style was the decisive issue in the final between Atalanta and Leverkusen. In this case it was goals because Leverkusen was again the team that took control. But in contrast to any of the other games during the season, they couldn't score the goal. Leverkusen gave away they chances they would usually not give away.
While Leverkusen was carelessly wasting chances, Atalanta scored some insane goals. That was the decisive issue in that game. In this case the number of goals mattered more than the way the teams played. Atalanta won't score three goals against Leverkusen often. Hardly any team did. I don't even know whether Leverkusen conceded three goals in any game this season?

It could be similar in the game Real Madrid against Dortmund. Real Madrid is a team that can get along very well with low ball possession because they know they don't need a lot of chances to score.

I understand what you mean mate, the number of goals matters but to me style of play and composure matters too, for instance in the final match between Leverkusen vs Atalanta, Atalanta won the match and made it more easy for themselves by being more composed in both attack and defence and their style of play outmatch Leverkusen in that game and that's what made it very interesting and not all boring cause Leverkusen at some point realised their error and tried to make p for it but it was too late cause Atalanta became more aggressive with their defense and made scoring difficult for their opponents. I dislike a boring match, not to talk of a boring final game, not just any finals but the Champions league final, well I believe the final game between Madrid and Dortmund would be very interesting and probably with lots of goals about 3 or more and both sides to score. Dortmund might be the underdogs but even though they don't win I believe they'll have a goal in that match.

I will place a 1x2 bet. Corner bets don't like it. Both teams can score goals being the favorite choice.
I will not rush into making a decision in betting on this match. I will still wait a few more days.
Indeed, Real Madrid rarely loses every time they play in the Champions League final and I admit that based on the data I have found regarding the teams that win the UCL trophy from season to season.

This is the season where Real Madrid played in the final and were only satisfied as runners up.

• Season 1961/1962 vs Benfica.
• Season 1963/1964  vs Inter Milan.
• Season 1980/1981 season vs Liverpool.

Meanwhile, Dortmund only played in the final twice with the results being 1 winner and 1 runner up. UCL champion Dortmund against Juventus in the 1996/1997 season. Became runner up when they lost against Bayern Munich in the 2012/2013 season.

The excitement of football is not only based on the number of goals. But I personally am always more excited if both teams play aggressively and score multiple goals in a game rather than just one goal in 90 minutes or more. Instead of seeing a match where both teams only play ball in the middle. it's very boring. The game of soccer is all about strategy so I think that goes without saying. And seeing how a coach uses strategies for a club brings other excitement. but what I said from the start was that it would be more exciting. That doesn't mean it wasn't fun at first. BUT IT WILL BE MORE EXCITING. But I also wouldn't feel that the UCL final wasn't exciting. because even though in the last 4 seasons the results of the final match have always only featured 1 goal, the excitement always exceeds that of other matches. But I expect more excitement in the final this time. Even if there aren't many goals, I hope both teams play aggressively like Inter Milan and Man City showed last season.

The scenario comes again, maybe the final will end in a draw until the 90th minute - then Real Madrid wins it on penalties just like beating Man City... It's a wild scenario.

I have no doubts about Real Madrid in the final because all of Madrid's final matches always end sweetly. Maybe many people compare it with other finals but this time it's different even though I'm not a Real Madrid fan but to become a champion is still big.

How good is our analysis then will be at stake later? Actually, the Real Madrid win bet is quite good, it's just that people always compare with the European league final, so it may be a little nervous for bettors.

I understand why some users are worried about the odds that Real Madrid will face in this season's Champions League final. The failure experienced by Leverkusen in the Europa League final is an important lesson for anyone not to be too confident in the high chances of a favorite team to win, in reality they can still be beaten.

There is never a guarantee that the favorite team can win the match, regardless of whether it is the final, semifinal, quarter-final or round of 16. We've seen many favorite teams fail in the Champions League this season, but Real Madrid's defeat in the final seems too low to be true especially given the experience of the team and coach. Real Madrid is really reliable, but it still can't guarantee they win.

People saw what happened before the two teams got to where they are in the final game, which is the reason people are deciding the team to win the UEFA champions league trophy, and some believe on Real Madrid that they have the power to lift the trophy while some say Borussia Dortmund are the team to lift the trophy.  

That is what am telling someone people that mistakes will surely happen in this final game that will make Real Madrid to experience what Manchester city experienced from the hands of Manchester united to beat Manchester city 1:2 to lift the trophy.

Borussia Dortmund will still be my favorite team in this game, I believe they are going to use all their power to stop Real Madrid not to secure a goal till the end of the final game.

 As days go on, the Champions League final is getting closer and closer. I really hope that Dortmund is actually trying to get ready for the final and putting on a plan with which they believe they will win. Because Real Madrid is the best Champions League team ever and they are not going to go easy on Dortmund. Dortmund will have to fight really hard to actually win this match. a very good realistic scenario for them is going to be to actually somehow take this match to the penalties. If they can actually win in regular time, it is going to be great. But when we talk about injury time or extra time I think Real Madrid is obviously better. the bench of Real Madrid is actually better compared to the starting lineup of Real Madrid. If you are the opponent and you watch Luca Modrić coming off the bench in the 79th minute, you are not going to be happy for sure.

I think there is an 80% chance that Real Madrid will win the Champions League cup. I never underestimate Borussia Dortmund, but Real Madrid has a squad of above-average quality. They have players who can change the direction of the game at any moment. Vinicius can suddenly get into a scoring position with his individual skills. Likewise, Arda Güler, who has been in form in recent matches, can be an effective weapon in the second half against a tired Dortmund. Ancelotti must make the best use of the players available. I think Leverkusen lost the final because they couldn't manage the excitement.

Will a match with a lot of goals be more exciting? Maybe 5 goals or up to 10 goals. I think a football match is not about the number of goals conceded that is enjoyed. But what game tactics are shown by each team? In general, Ancelotti's strategy was not to aggressively attack by chasing the number of goals in the first half. If Real Madrid takes the lead early, it will actually make the players overwhelmed in defense, because Dortmund will attack continuously. Ancelotti will play defensively in the first half and only use counter attacks. Real Madrid players only saw the opponent's weakness and exploited it at the last minute.

I do understand that we are going to end up with Real getting the win unless some big shock happens and everyone knows this. I am not saying that we are going to have Dortmund at zero chance, lower odds teams managed to win, just a few years ago I have seen 12+ odds win against Real Madrid, a team called sherrif that I have never seen again ended up beating Real Madrid, however at the end of that year Real still managed to win the cup, but still weirder things happened.

So all in all, I would say that just like how Atalanta managed to win Leverkusen who went 51 games unbeaten (52 total) in a row, we could see Dortmund could win as well. But are we really willing to put our money into that? I am not, I rather put my money on Madrid to win.

I also expect the same thing. Ancelotti in the quarter-finals and semi-finals actually made a strategy that made Real Madrid less aggressive in attacking. But I know Ancelotti in the final will not use the same strategy as he did in the quarter-finals and semi-finals. Because it would be more exciting if Real Madrid implemented their attacking strategy directly, which is always very aggressive and could immediately overwhelm Dortmund from the start. And Dortmund is also expected to implement the same attacking strategy. but I might now think that Dortmund will actually implement a less aggressive strategy and will only look for gaps to attack by counterattacking. Hopefully the UCL Final won't be a boring final that always lacks goals.

It seems that no one expected from the start that Dortmund would make it to the Final stage in the Champions League this season. I didn't even expect at that time that Dortmund had continued to advance since the round of 16 and then I thought Dortmund would fail in the quarter-finals but they still succeeded and advanced to the semi-finals and the funny thing is I also thought Dortmund would fail in the semi-finals but well we can see the results now Dortmund actually managed to reach the final round. And yes, this was beyond my expectations and perhaps also beyond many people's expectations. And now I might also think Dortmund will not succeed in winning the trophy in the UCL. but no one really knows the results. And indeed no one should underestimate this team. Just because they are in the final is a big surprise this season.

Real Madrid almost always wins when they are in the Final. If I remember correctly, Real Madrid has reached the UCL final 17 times. And 14 wins and only 3 failures. Well, this is quite a big comparison between Real Madrid's loss and win ratio there.

Speaking of the bet... I think that in this match there will be more than 9.5 corners and Madrid will win... If you bet now, the odds are around 3... I think I will take a risk and bet on these events... Probably a good bet that both teams will score... I don't remember Champions League finals when Real didn't win... Dortmund won in the last millennium...