Topic: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season - page 41. (Read 141700 times)

So, has Madrid ever underestimated their opponents?I think they have not. I think you're mistaken about that caused by real madrid is always using its best squad to face any clubs. Ancellotti never underestimates their opponents. In contrast to Leverkusen's performance against Atalanta, Real Madrid always used its best squad to compete against any team. Meanwhile, xabi alonso was doing an experiment in the final game against atalanta and that's unacceptable.
Xabi Alonso was conducting an experiment by starting some of his key players from the bench, believing that this would trick Gasperini but it was all a mistake already made by him that cost the club europa league trophy. Do not compare Real Madrid to Leverkusen. Madrid is far better than it.

It doesn't even make sense to compare 14-time UCL winners to Leverkusen, who are only now winning trophies after many years of competing in the bundesliga. You are ignoring the point here by implying that leverkusen was the same as Real Madrid.
Madrid never underestimates their opponents. Ancellotti never performed a bogus experiment during an important game.

You may also tell by the type of lineup Real Madrid uses. I am confident you won't even say that.
It was significantly different from Leverkusen's scenario. Real Madrid has some of the top players in the world.

First of all, in this particular encounter between borussia dortmund vs real Madrid in the uefa champions league final, it very clear that real madrid are the clear favourite here, so the bookmarkers odds between this two teams are not wrong, and I believe that the odds of real madrid will keep on getting smaller as the day of the match getting closer, while the odds of borussia dortmund will keep on increasing, because everyone expected them to be defeated by real madrid, but one good thing about football is that anything can happen, nothing is guaranteed, borussia dortmund can surprise them on day and go home with the trophy if real madrid is complacent on that day or they think that since they are the favourite her, borussia dortmund will be a pushover.

And talking of  borussia dortmund not deserving to be in the finals? Yes they actually deserve it, though they aren't that strong, they were mostly lucky in their journey to the finals, because the teams they met on their way wasn't that strong as the team madrid met, but luck is one vital thing that is needed to be successful in this competition, so they actually deserve to be in the finals.

Everyone knows that it is not easy to beat Real Madrid when they reach the final, but it is not impossible for them to experience defeat when their opponents have a strategy to stop the attack they are trying to build. Real Madrid's advantage is the running speed of the players they have and that is a threat to the opponent and their defense is not that solid and if the opponent is able to get past the midfielders it will be much easier to score goals.

Dortmund needs to play more relaxed and not be provoked by the rough style of play that Real Madrid will aim for because if they follow Real Madrid's rhythm of play it will make it difficult for Dortmund to keep up. Real Madrid has experience in dealing with pressure and usually they will try to put pressure on their opponents so they don't play according to plan.

Both Real Madrid and Dortmund have studied each other and we will see to what extent their coaches can make the right decisions and strategies. Real Madrid is quite the favorite, but Dortmund also has the same opportunity to compete for the Champions League trophy this season.

Bookmakers and odds can show the favorite team but in a direct match, a stronger and favorite team are not always winner at the end. Real Madrid from history to their player quality and performances in this season, are considerable stronger than Dortmund and given odds before the final shows this.

They will take the fifteenth Champions League title if they win this one and there are some people who either fans of Dortmund or fans of other clubs don't want it to happen. Clubs like AC Milan, Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Barcelona with 7, 6, 6 and 5 titles probably support Dortmund in this final.

Opponents of Dortmund in previous rounds like group stage, round of 16, quarter final and semi finals include some big teams AC Milan, Newcastle United, Atletico Madrid and PSG asked this question many times. You don't have to worry about that and Dortmund deserved to appear in the final match by beating many strong opponents along the way to final match.

They will not play the final in a way they will lose it and I expect Dortmund to bring big challenge to Real Madrid, in their defensive efforts first. If Real Madrid let Dortmund scores an opening goal, they might get big trouble to break Dortmund's defense system.

Well, wether they underestimate them or whether Atalanta is really good at counter-attacking against opponents who dominate the game is debatable. The same thing can happen whether you're competing in the Europa League or not. Some finalist are inside the top 4, or the champion of their domestic league too so the intensity can only improve from there. Hopefully, Madrid vs Dortmund will be more interesting for neutrals like me, though I do hope Madrid loses just because they beat one of my favorite teams too many times already, haha. I also feel like "defend themselves" is a little bit incorrect, since there's no guarantee they will win the cup to begin with.

as I'm a real madrid fan, I'm rooting for real madrid to win this game and become champions, real madrid has a better squad compared to dortmund and honestly I'm still wondering how the hell they are in this final, but anyway it's a fact that Dortmund is in the final of the European Champions League, but I hope that Real Madrid wins and they score a lot of goals, because they will be dealing with a team that is not very strong despite having reached the final, I know that there are some people You will disagree when I say that Dortmundo is not very strong, while Real Madrid is a very strong team, I have even set aside money so I can bet on Real Madrid to win this game.



 

the bookmakers are seeing real madrid as the clear favorite to win this game, it is not a balanced game because as I said, there is a big difference in quality between these two teams and real madrid is superior

Bayer Leverkusen underestimated their opponent in UEFA Europa League and they lost the cup because of that. Atalanta didn't miss the opportunity and they inflicted a bad damage on Bayer Leverkusen side
For UEFA Champions League, everything is possible and both teams are doing a good job. Real Madrid was expected to win that match and they should defend themselves.

Do you think the chance of Dortmund beating Madrid is the same as Atalanta beating Leverkusen? It would be cool if the underdog wins again, which means this year will be full of surprise winners (not talking about the league). I think it would be healthier for the overall competition if we could see other winners other than Madrid, but at the end of the day, those who score more goals will win the cup. I hope the winner plays good football instead of defending for 80 minutes and scoring one lucky goal. You can argue defending needs good strategy too, but for a competition like the Champions League, I'd love to see aggressive football instead of another "boring" one.

Although I am not a Real Madrid fan. Even so, I think Madrid will win the Champions League final. And will once again bring home the Champions League title.   The Madrid team is very experienced. And Madrid's players are in very good form right now.   Although the performances of the two attacking players Vini and ROdrygo were somewhat erratic.   With the midfielder trio mastermind Bellingham, Toni Kross and Luka Modrich, Madrid's attacking players are able to perform well.

Dortmund's main strength is their defense. And because of the strong defense and descent match strategy, the Dortmund team managed to qualify for the final. I won't say that beating Real Madrid is absolutely impossible.   If Dortmund's match strategy is good, it is definitely possible to beat Madrid. But it is very difficult.

The excitement in all competitions in various leagues has now ended. All that remains now is the excitement of the top competition, namely the Champions League. And the final which will bring together Dortmund and Real Madrid has now received a lot of attention. Even speculation about which team will be the favorite continues to be a hot topic of conversation. But the majority still remains the same, namely that they favor Real Madrid, which of course has undoubted quality. But everyone was also worried after seeing some of the results of the final matches, getting quite surprising results. Like Atalanta managed to beat Leverkusen and Man United managed to beat Man City. So there is a lot of speculation circulating that surprising results could also occur in the Champions League Final. And I might also think that this could happen. but I think the possibility is very small. 

But that game was a lucky game for Real Madrid in every aspect. Liverpool was overwhelmingly stronger in my eyes, but Real Madrid got that one goal and then played it down like they always do. Take time off the clock wherever they can, slow it down. Liverpool had 9 shots on target and Real Madrid had 2 with one being a goal. That's football and when great teams face each other, the little nuances make the difference.

Yes and I always with for a sense of realism. It looks like to most here the result is all that counts. In a sense that is correct, but to consider when the opponent was stronger and offered an impressive fight should be part of the discussion if you ask me. As you pointed out Inter Milan coul have won that game, but they didn't.


Real Madrid has far more to lose than Dortmund and that is one ace up the Dormund sleeves. They are all aware that the media have already written their articles being ready to published how Real Madrid won the game. I still think that it was quite unexpected Dortmund would survive the group. Then it was unexpected that they win against Atletico and it was certainly unexpected that they could beat PSG. I think nothing is unexpected anymore.



Mistakes can happen to the best teams in the world. Dortmund scored some goals where I thought that probably they will never score that one again, like the header from Fullkrug. It was hit so perfectly that this is not a standard goal at all. Or the one touch control and shot with the left foot. Real Madrid wouldn't be able to defend these goals either. But Dortmund is less likely to score these exceptional goals than Real Madrid and they have less players that are as dangerous as the Real Madrid team and yet they can score one of these lucky shots from a distance and give the game a special drift.

By the way, Dortmund has the fastest player in Bundesliga history. Adeyemi is quite a bit faster than Vinicius Junior. I am sure that not a lot of fans here noticed that. If Dortmund puts in the effort and thrive for records, it is possible to get Real Madrid into big trouble.

I don't think it's like that, we know that in the final 2 seasons ago where Liverpool faced Madrid we know that at that time Madrid was very doubtful because of Liverpool's very strong strength but in the end Madrid again managed to get the trophy when indeed they were doubted even from the round of 16 against several strong clubs like PSG and Manchester City at that time.

Likewise last season where Inter were not expected in the final but in fact in 90 minutes of the match they showed an interesting thing that made Manchester City hassle even though the final result was still owned by Manchester City.

In this match it is also the same where in every match there will definitely be favorites who are always a factor more but in the end we must realize that things like this are only a reinforcement not to convince that Madrid will definitely win because to say Madrid wins then they must show the best quality in 90 minutes of the match so that they can really be deserved to be champions and sometimes there can be unexpected things that can be a surprise.

So that even though in terms of strength Madrid is far superior but still Dortmund cannot be underestimated. the hope is certain that I also hope Madrid can get its 15th trophy this season but something like that needs to be proven by the performance in the final 90 minutes later.

Exactly, and I am one of those who hopes that this final will be won by Borussia Dortmund, nothing against Real Madrid, but they always win, and it would be nice to see them lose a few times in the final, which if I am not mistaken in its long and glorious history has only lost three Champions League finals in the past. So a defeat every now and then fits! 

This game is going to be a very crucial match between these two teams who have struggled and fought it very hard to get to the finals here,Madrid were able to eliminate Manchester City and Bayern,while Dortmund eliminated Athletico and PSG to get to the finals, both have proven to be worthy of being here,but the reason most persons are clamouring for Dortmund is because nobody expected them to be able to reach here,and also,the fact that Madrid have a record of winning in the finals of every champions league they get to, people want that record to be broken,thats the reason they want Dortmund to win.

I find many people are as optimistic as you about Real Madrid winning the Champions League final this season regardless of who the opponent is in the final. They talk about Real Madrid's experience, mentality and title dominance, but they almost forget that Dortmund also wants to spoil it with the abilities of its coach and players.

Dortmund did not come to this season's final as a bad team, of course because Dortmund is one of the best teams who has successfully beaten many other big teams who are even considered favorites. Dortmund is by no means worthy of being underestimated by anyone, but I think its chances of winning the title this season really depend on how they play. If Dortmund can play as well as they did against Milan, PSG and Atletico Madrid, then Real Madrid might have a hard time winning the match.

Maybe you missed or forgot something that Real Madrid is the king of Europe and they have a lot of experience in European competition. Dortmund is a good team, which means they have struggled a lot in reaching the final, but for Real Madrid this competition is a normal competition, They will play cool-minded, and despite the Uefa Champion League final, there will be high pressure on Dortmund. Yes, it is true that it is final and anything can happen because both athletes are with the same energy in the final, because they have reached the final from all rounds of the tournament, so they have both experienced  how to maintain maintenance. 
 
But Anyway i strongly believed that Real madrid would win the UCL. They have a lot of confidence as well as good players in the squad, and the coach also has high profile experience. So if you look at all these things, real madrid side looks heavy compared to Dortmund.

If I'm honest, of all Real Madrid's finals ever held in the UCL, this is the easiest final for Real Madrid, I don't mean to insult Dortmund but the reality is that's how it is. Moreover, if you look at historical facts, the last time Real Madrid failed in the UCL final was in 1981, after that, when Madrid advanced to the final, they always came out as champions. It is true that in football there are always surprises in the final match. Dortmund, who are unseeded in the final, may even be dangerous, but even so, I still bet on Real Madrid winning.

The reason is simple for me because this season Real Madrid is on fire and have never lost in the UCL this season. If a player like Vini can't score, there's still Rodrygo, if Rodrygo and Vini don't score, there's Belingham, when those three players don't score, there's still Valverde, Joselu, Brahim and others. Real Madrid's squad this season is almost perfect, very different from Dortmund.

Recently, teams that were not favorites and were weak won the cups. Honestly, Dortmund is a self-confident team, the audience is very enthusiastic, if they can concentrate well for this match, why not, they can succeed. FA cup won by Manchester United. Atalanta, the favorite unbeaten team in the UEFA league, came and beat them without any difficulty.

How the match will turn out depends on a factor depending on that day, but I'm looking forward to it being a great grand final for sure. Still, my favorite is Real Madrid, how could it not be, that's what this club does.

I believe you saw the team Real Madrid draw game with 0:0 yesterday in the la Liga league competition, which is the reason many people is predicting for the favor of Borussia Dortmund to win the trophy which they will make it happen.

I guess Real Madrid will use that mind set to lose this UEFA champions league trophy, because they will relax base on, that is how we use to win the trophy, for Borussia Dortmund players to surprise them like the way Atalanta surprised unbearable team in the UEFA Europa league tournament which something like that will surely happen to Real Madrid to lose.

I no it will going to be a tough game, but Borussia Dortmund players still have the moral of making this game to end for their favor, because their coach will not allow Real Madrid strikes to secure a single goal from this game.

You are right that we are very upset to see Real Madrid dominating the Champions League every season.   But it should not be forgotten that Real Madrid is the best team in the Champions League. And there is no experienced team from Real Madrid on this platform.

The Dortmund team is not considered a favorites in this match. And Dortmund is more likely to be defeated.   However, two underdog teams won in the Europe League final and FA Cup final. And Atalanta and Manchester United team won completely unexpectedly. So many people think that the same thing may happen in the Champions League.   However, I don't think it would be possible for Dortmund to be taken away from an experienced team like Madrid.