⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2022/23 | Qualifying - page 2.

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Quote from: CLS63 on August 14, 2024, 04:42:02 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 10, 2024, 04:27:03 AM

If I bet, it's your team man. They have the ability, they have Mou history, and they now have good odds

They played away and had respectable stats, now they must show Lille what the atmosphere is possible in Turkey. Add Mourinho and you have nightmare

I really hoped to see Fenerbahçe winning but we couldn't make it. Our performance in the rematch was actually good. We wasted numerous opportunities. That red card looked like hope first but the penalty decision came after it just devastated me. Sad

I have read Mourinho lost in preliminary phase in his career for the first time. But I'm still hopeful about the Europa League. In time, Mourinho would also adapt more and we can get stronger.

Shit man don't remind me about it, I saw the highlights so many times. I bet pretty big for my preference with a guy from office on this match. A guy I really really don't like. He was boasting loudly about French team vs Turkey team shit, I mean I even follow French League and bet on it and I like them. Maybe 10% of my betting was in Ligue 1 but this guy was talking so big. Now he is talking even bigger shit.

And also I went for them on BSFL. So its like after falling down the stairs, the stairs falls on you.

Your right tho, Europa League is also nice. And maybe probably better chance of winning

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 07, 2024, 03:29:45 PM

Didn't saw Lille - Fenerbahche game, so can't comment about it. Losing away to club from Top 5 league isn't tragedy, especially when you have 2nd leg at home. It will be very hot in Istanbul.
Rangers scoring goal on last minute and making score 1:1 is huge hit for Dynamo Kyiv. Sparta failing to win against FCSB is little upset. I don't know why bookmakers so clearly favoured Qarabag, but I wouldn't say that Ludogorets win is surprise.
From today's games expected plenty of goals in Jagiellonia - Bodo/Glimt game, but so far there was just 1.

Karabakh won with 7 goals. Especially after the match went to extra time, Ludogorets was in shambles. Karabakh played more consistently and was on the field with a squad ready for 120 minutes. Ludogorets gave Karabakh many chances in extra time. The Azerbaijani team had progressed very well in Europe last year. They are very good on their way to the Champions League this year as well. Fenerbahçe, on the other hand, suffered the punishment of losing away.

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Definitely was a very very unlucky game from Fenerbahce, they had so many chances, both woodwork and goalkeeper didn't allow them. I honestly believe that Lille didn't even deserve to go there at all, we should be considering how they are going to end up with something so much more troubled and because of that we are going to end up with issues that are beyond we can see. This means that we are going to end up with much more so that we can't really make it so it is not going to be complicated at all.

So all in all, Fenerbahce has something much better ahead of them right now, a chance to win it all. I am not saying that we are going to see them win for sure, but there is a chance that they could actually win Europa, like Mourinho said, they actually have a chance to win this all and I really do wonder how it is going to be like but I am sure that we are going to see them do very well, it is going to be quite strong chance for them without a doubt.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 10, 2024, 04:27:03 AM

If I didn't support Barca, I would love Mourinho at my team any day. Yes I will hate his style, yes I will not see so much flair, but any club other than Barca I think I want to see trophies and spirit and this is what Mou can do. I have a lot of respect even what he did with United and then after that Roma. And his style is "last trophy is always the best". That's a true football mentality.

If I bet, it's your team man. They have the ability, they have Mou history, and they now have good odds

They played away and had respectable stats, now they must show Lille what the atmosphere is possible in Turkey. Add Mourinho and you have nightmare

I really hoped to see Fenerbahçe winning but we couldn't make it. Our performance in the rematch was actually good. We wasted numerous opportunities. That red card looked like hope first but the penalty decision came after it just devastated me. Sad

I have read Mourinho lost in preliminary phase in his career for the first time. But I'm still hopeful about the Europa League. In time, Mourinho would also adapt more and we can get stronger.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on August 14, 2024, 06:29:19 AM

So, I think we can't really consider this stage to be able to bet right now. I know that we are going to see another stage and all that is complicated, we can't just easily bet. I personally stay away.

At what point do you consider it is a good time to bet? When you're familiar with most of the teams? I remember reading some users place bets on games or teams they don't really follow, simply because the odds are too good to pass up. If they lose it it isn't a big deal, so I guess they just like to gamble in the first place. If familiarity is a requirement, I wonder how it translate to your decision making. Wouldn't their form or recent matches gets reflected on the odds anyway?

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Factually speaking we are not going to see big teams just yet, all of these teams are not good at all and that is why I think it could not be that easy to handle at all. We are going to see these games be undecided, so that is why we can't make it work any other way, we can't make it change at all. We are going to see this stage to be quite hard to bet, so it is not possible at the moment. I do believe that we are going to see the group stages be much much better because when that happens we are going to end up with

Real Madrid's and City's and so forth with big teams and when you bet on them during the group stages they will face much easier teams and that will not be too bad at all. I hope that it can become much better, and with that in mind I will not bet on the situation at the moment. So, I think we can't really consider this stage to be able to bet right now. I know that we are going to see another stage and all that is complicated, we can't just easily bet. I personally stay away.

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It didn't work, they couldn't win the match. The Champions League is over for Fenerbahçe, they will continue in the UEFA Europa League. I can't say they played very well, they didn't have a chance, if you can't score you're eliminated, it's that simple. I hope they play better in the EUFA Europa League and come out as leaders in the groups.

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Very strange to see such high odds for Ludogorets against Qarabag. They won first game away and now playing at home. Difficult to call them underdogs. I go with BTTS here. Rangers - Dynamo Kyiv is going to be very interesting game. My picks here is BTTS and over 2.5 goals here.
Twente - Salzburg is another interesting game, Twente lost 1st game away 1:2. I put over 2.5 goals on this game.
Bodo/Glimt is playing with Jagiellonia at home.. Bodo/Glimt is big favorite here, but I can't find good value bets on this game.

Quote from: MK-74 on August 13, 2024, 05:10:55 AM

The second matches of the qualifiers will be played tonight. Fenerbahçe lost their first match 2-1 to Lille. Fenerbahçe needs to win by at least 2 goals tonight to continue in the Champions League. I think Fenerbahçe will win but they need to make no mistakes.

I put some money on Fenerbahche. Not really sure that they will qualify to next round, but I expect that game will go to extra time at least.

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The second matches of the qualifiers will be played tonight. Fenerbahçe lost their first match 2-1 to Lille. Fenerbahçe needs to win by at least 2 goals tonight to continue in the Champions League. I think Fenerbahçe will win but they need to make no mistakes.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 10, 2024, 04:27:03 AM

If I didn't support Barca, I would love Mourinho at my team any day. Yes I will hate his style, yes I will not see so much flair, but any club other than Barca I think I want to see trophies and spirit and this is what Mou can do. I have a lot of respect even what he did with United and then after that Roma. And his style is "last trophy is always the best". That's a true football mentality.

If I bet, it's your team man. They have the ability, they have Mou history, and they now have good odds

They played away and had respectable stats, now they must show Lille what the atmosphere is possible in Turkey. Add Mourinho and you have nightmare

I would guess that Mourinho is liked by many people because he comes across as a guy who does this knowing that he doesn't "belong", while being one of the best ever to do it. What we are looking at during managers are people who used to be either good players, or at least played a bit, and people who are proper managers, whereas Mourinho comes across as someone who is normal like us, who happen to just get lucky finding a job and then did a great job, he gives every regular day guy a chance to think that he could have done well too.

I know that's not his story, I mean I know that he worked really hard to get there and he jokes about being special one and all that, but he is definitely looking like a normal regular dude. That is also true for Klopp as well, he had that aura to him as well, those two feel like they are just normal people who happen to be in the football world, which makes us love them even more.

Mourinho has that charm to him, he looks like approachable person, like if I saw him on the road then I would go ask to take a picture, if I saw Pep Guardiola for example, I would stay away from him and not ask any photos at all lol. That's why we like Mourinho, that's what makes him fun.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 07, 2024, 03:29:45 PM

Didn't saw Lille - Fenerbahche game, so can't comment about it. Losing away to club from Top 5 league isn't tragedy, especially when you have 2nd leg at home. It will be very hot in Istanbul.
Rangers scoring goal on last minute and making score 1:1 is huge hit for Dynamo Kyiv. Sparta failing to win against FCSB is little upset. I don't know why bookmakers so clearly favoured Qarabag, but I wouldn't say that Ludogorets win is surprise.
From today's games expected plenty of goals in Jagiellonia - Bodo/Glimt game, but so far there was just 1.

I expected that Fenerbahçe SK team players wil win this match because I like that team and I support that team but that team disappointed me and millions of fans who like that team. The overall performance of LOSC Lille team was perfect and LOSC Lille team won the match by 2-1 goals. The shots of LOSC Lille team were more in number and their shots were also on target and that was, deserving team for win this match. The possession percentage was also excellent of LOSC Lille
Players and and passes were more and perfect. Many fans excepted they will go to their home with happy mode when their team will win but that was not possible because players didn't prepare well.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 10, 2024, 04:27:03 AM

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 09, 2024, 05:11:39 AM

Better team in terms of price and history but Mourinho has a special way of making a $5m player look like $50m. That's his true ability, we saw it again and again even in Roma. I think he'll do the same here.

I agree with you on the Mourinho topic. I still can't believe that I see him managing the team I'm supporting. I know that he doesn't have his old performance. However it is a fascinating thing that the special one is managing your team.

slaman29, mate I'm curious about your opinion on the round. Do you think that we will be able to get past this round after a 2-1 loss? What is your opinion exactly?

If I didn't support Barca, I would love Mourinho at my team any day. Yes I will hate his style, yes I will not see so much flair, but any club other than Barca I think I want to see trophies and spirit and this is what Mou can do. I have a lot of respect even what he did with United and then after that Roma. And his style is "last trophy is always the best". That's a true football mentality.

If I bet, it's your team man. They have the ability, they have Mou history, and they now have good odds

They played away and had respectable stats, now they must show Lille what the atmosphere is possible in Turkey. Add Mourinho and you have nightmare

I would say Fenerbahce still has great chances to qualify further because on paper , they have a better squad than Lille and this should be the decided factor of who is going to qualify further. Sure , Lille is having a great run in the last couple of years in Europe competitions but also in Ligue 1 but Fener with Mourinho is a team that can achieve great performances in European competitions as well. However , if they won't qualify , I suppose playing in Europe League is not so bad after all right ?

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Quote from: CLS63 on August 09, 2024, 05:17:24 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 09, 2024, 05:11:39 AM

Better team in terms of price and history but Mourinho has a special way of making a $5m player look like $50m. That's his true ability, we saw it again and again even in Roma. I think he'll do the same here.

I agree with you on the Mourinho topic. I still can't believe that I see him managing the team I'm supporting. I know that he doesn't have his old performance. However it is a fascinating thing that the special one is managing your team.

slaman29, mate I'm curious about your opinion on the round. Do you think that we will be able to get past this round after a 2-1 loss? What is your opinion exactly?

If I didn't support Barca, I would love Mourinho at my team any day. Yes I will hate his style, yes I will not see so much flair, but any club other than Barca I think I want to see trophies and spirit and this is what Mou can do. I have a lot of respect even what he did with United and then after that Roma. And his style is "last trophy is always the best". That's a true football mentality.

If I bet, it's your team man. They have the ability, they have Mou history, and they now have good odds

They played away and had respectable stats, now they must show Lille what the atmosphere is possible in Turkey. Add Mourinho and you have nightmare

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Quote from: CLS63 on August 09, 2024, 05:17:24 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 09, 2024, 05:11:39 AM

Better team in terms of price and history but Mourinho has a special way of making a $5m player look like $50m. That's his true ability, we saw it again and again even in Roma. I think he'll do the same here.

I agree with you on the Mourinho topic. I still can't believe that I see him managing the team I'm supporting. I know that he doesn't have his old performance. However it is a fascinating thing that the special one is managing your team.

slaman29, mate I'm curious about your opinion on the round. Do you think that we will be able to get past this round after a 2-1 loss? What is your opinion exactly?

I personally have to say that no matter what you think about Mourinho, his teams always have a chance to win, so on the second round we could see Fenerbahce definitely could win, not saying that they will, but I can say that they will never give up. They got a little unlucky with that last goal anyway, otherwise the game looked quite equal, and a lot of oddmakers showed Lille to be superior, so the fact that the game went quite equal means that Fenerbahce played better than they were expected to.

The only question mark is that Mourinho talked about how he would rather be in Europa, not really said that exactly but he said they won't win anything at UCL but could win Europa, so he probably desires to be there instead.

Meaning that if they lose this, there will be some hate towards him for missing out on UCL for a short while, but then if he does well at the league and then wins the Europa? That would be insane, first European cup ever for that Turkish club, hence he would be considered a very good manager once again. He may even leave for a better club again, because right now not that many teams wanted him at bigger levels, that's why he was capable of going to Fenerbahce.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 09, 2024, 05:11:39 AM

Better team in terms of price and history but Mourinho has a special way of making a $5m player look like $50m. That's his true ability, we saw it again and again even in Roma. I think he'll do the same here.

I agree with you on the Mourinho topic. I still can't believe that I see him managing the team I'm supporting. I know that he doesn't have his old performance. However it is a fascinating thing that the special one is managing your team.

slaman29, mate I'm curious about your opinion on the round. Do you think that we will be able to get past this round after a 2-1 loss? What is your opinion exactly?

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Quote from: CLS63 on August 08, 2024, 05:25:18 PM

If we manage to eliminate Lille, I think we are going to qualify for the league phase as we are going to have a much easier opponent. I think that it is still very early for Mourinho to make an impact on the team. Most of the players have returned from Euro 2024 new and they aren't ready.Turkish teams can't be very successful in pre-qualifiers unfortunately. For example 2 months after Fenerbahçe got eliminated by Dynamo Kyiv in the Champions League pre-qualifiers 2 years ago, they were in the same group in the UEFA Europa League. While Fenerbahçe were finishing the group in the first position, Dynamo Kyiv finished as the last.

I saw his recent interview, it looks like he really got affected by what happened at Roma and he LOVES stadiums where supporters are crazy, so he'll love Turkish teams

I agree with you, Turkish teams have a weird history. Super amazing players but as teams, they can't seem to get full potential.

Quote from: beerlover on August 08, 2024, 03:46:42 PM

However, the reality is that Lille is simply just a better team, and that's why they look like they are not that great and I believe that we are going to see Fenerbache will win the second game,

Better team in terms of price and history but Mourinho has a special way of making a $5m player look like $50m. That's his true ability, we saw it again and again even in Roma. I think he'll do the same here.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 08, 2024, 04:16:06 AM

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Mourinho is a blessing for all football, just don't let him have too much power after he wins something. You will progress don't worry!

Yes, I'm a Fenerbahçe fan.

However we couldn't get an advantageous result in the first leg yesterday. But I can't say we didn't deserve it either. Because I didn't like our performance especially in defense. We had these issues from the start against Lugano. Mourinho's presence still makes me believe more. I hope we can turn things around in Istanbul. We will need to be more precise with finishing at the same time because we also wasted big chances.

Qualifiers I think is usually where teams have a weird performance. Smaller teams fight with everything, have full squad, have no other priority. Bigger teams are still half strength because their best players are at internationals or Olympics, and managers want to take care of league priority. I think Mourinho knows what he's doing. Home advantage is the biggest factor for Turkish teams, as Manchester United know very well

Sincerely, qualifiers are highly unpredictable because there is really no reference such as previous meetings that one can use to arrive at a decision. Furthermore, the best of a team in one league might just be average in another league and when teams from both leagues meets, it becomes difficult to predict. This is the reason I lost all my bets tonight. I never saw Rapid Wien winning Trabzonspor for instance as this is a case of two teams from different leagues. Between Lille and Fenerbahçe, it would actually be difficult knowing who will win because the best of Turkey might be the average of the French League, this is where the confusion is.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 08, 2024, 04:16:06 AM

Qualifiers I think is usually where teams have a weird performance. Smaller teams fight with everything, have full squad, have no other priority. Bigger teams are still half strength because their best players are at internationals or Olympics, and managers want to take care of league priority. I think Mourinho knows what he's doing. Home advantage is the biggest factor for Turkish teams, as Manchester United know very well

If we manage to eliminate Lille, I think we are going to qualify for the league phase as we are going to have a much easier opponent. I think that it is still very early for Mourinho to make an impact on the team. Most of the players have returned from Euro 2024 new and they aren't ready.Turkish teams can't be very successful in pre-qualifiers unfortunately. For example 2 months after Fenerbahçe got eliminated by Dynamo Kyiv in the Champions League pre-qualifiers 2 years ago, they were in the same group in the UEFA Europa League. While Fenerbahçe were finishing the group in the first position, Dynamo Kyiv finished as the last.

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Quote from: slaman29 on August 08, 2024, 04:16:06 AM

Qualifiers I think is usually where teams have a weird performance. Smaller teams fight with everything, have full squad, have no other priority. Bigger teams are still half strength because their best players are at internationals or Olympics, and managers want to take care of league priority. I think Mourinho knows what he's doing. Home advantage is the biggest factor for Turkish teams, as Manchester United know very well

I would guess that both teams not having all the transfers done yet, and some teams starting their season is the difference. Fenerbahce could be at advantage here, their season is starting, and had 5+ friendlies and even 2 games before this against Lugano as well, so they look a lot better.

However, the reality is that Lille is simply just a better team, and that's why they look like they are not that great and I believe that we are going to see Fenerbache will win the second game, but it will definitely be a strong situation for Lille as well. Just because they lost doesn't mean they will lose again, but this time Fenerbahce may win. Early games are usually shocking results because teams are not ready for the season yet. This is why we are seeing these results and I believe that we are going to face some issues with it and could be the fact that in a few months every team will be where they want to be, they are just getting back into the season right now.

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Quote from: CLS63 on August 07, 2024, 04:36:23 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on August 04, 2024, 05:44:14 AM

Mourinho is a blessing for all football, just don't let him have too much power after he wins something. You will progress don't worry!

Yes, I'm a Fenerbahçe fan.

However we couldn't get an advantageous result in the first leg yesterday. But I can't say we didn't deserve it either. Because I didn't like our performance especially in defense. We had these issues from the start against Lugano. Mourinho's presence still makes me believe more. I hope we can turn things around in Istanbul. We will need to be more precise with finishing at the same time because we also wasted big chances.

Qualifiers I think is usually where teams have a weird performance. Smaller teams fight with everything, have full squad, have no other priority. Bigger teams are still half strength because their best players are at internationals or Olympics, and managers want to take care of league priority. I think Mourinho knows what he's doing. Home advantage is the biggest factor for Turkish teams, as Manchester United know very well

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