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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on May 11, 2022, 10:28:04 AM

Quote from: bekti3 on May 11, 2022, 10:19:56 AM

I hope we don't just get hung up on statistics like this.
Indeed, in statistics we can tell where the difference in strength lies from different perspectives but in this case it can actually be confusing.
I feel that PSG and City should be examples. they are very underdog in stats but what they got against Real Madrid.
I think this can be a reference for not making statistics too much as if they are the winner

At this time I would not let myself be carried away by the statistics, for me I think the winner will be Real Madrid, although Liverpool is literally flying, I think Real Madrid has a lot of experience in finals and above all they have a great technical director, in addition that Benzema can shine even more. Of course, not everything is written, Liverpool may give a surprise, in the PL they are having a very good season, both they and City are at the top.

In this case I agree with what you said and I think it would be very funny if we just rely on statistics alone to determine who deserves it.
Even though Liverpool are currently on fire, especially now they are eyeing the Quadruple, but on the other hand, we also can't make it look like it will be easy, especially since the opponent they will face is Real Madrid.
I personally prefer Madrid for whatever reason they are still strong enough and could even make Liverpool lose

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If you look at the history of the match, 4 times madrid never lost. But in 2021 they are a draw. May 28, is still quite a long time, they still have enough preparation. It's just that madrid today is more relaxed because the La Liga title they have got. As for Liverpol, they still have a chance of winning, so they are certainly fighting hard for the EPL and UCL. I in the final will choose Madrid for the champions, they will win 2-1. It's just my prediction hopefully correct, or at least Madrid won even if my score guess was wrong.

Source: https://www.sofascore.com/liverpool-real-madrid/UsEgb

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Not that long and it will come before you know it. Liverpool's last premier league match will be on May 22 so is one week preparation enough for the Finals? I think so but time will tell. Liverpool will most like field their full first team even on the last day and we can only hope that none of their key players get injured. We want both teams at their best.

I agree, I also hope that these two teams come out with the full squad without any of their main players being unavailable. Indeed, the road to the final is still long and both teams are still busy with their domestic leagues, especially for Liverpool who still hope that their main rivals Manchester City slip in their remaining matches, although that is a bit impossible. I also hope that the final game will be as we expected.

In what have seen and observe about Jürgen Klopp,he will fight till the end, as long as Manchester City has not won the league mathematically then there is know need to give up,but that does not mean he should not rest players or rotate his team, in there game against Aston villa on Tuesday he did not start Mohamed Salah he brought him on very late in the second half, and they did not miss him too much because they have a large squad,beside their full backs I don't see any other position that they don't have replacement in, is not like the season that they lose Mohamed Salah to injury in the final,. This time around they have two good replacement in Luis Diaz and jota so they won't be scared to rest players.

The matches that are left for Liverpool in the English Premier League are not so difficult in my opinion and that's why I am not going to be surprised if I see a few rotations in the squad. I believe Liverpool is going to play their best team against Real Madrid in the Champions League final. So Jürgen Klopp is surely going to do what's necessary for the team to have the best players available for the Champions League final.

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Quote from: zaim7413 on May 12, 2022, 09:37:42 AM

Obviously Liverpool will prioritize the Champions League, because the Champions League Trophy is more prestigious than the Premier League trophy.

The premier league is City's to lose, with two games left and in the position they are in, they are favorites for the title, Liverpool can only hope and pray for a slip-up, but the thing remains that their destiny is not in their own hands, but in the CL it is different, when the game starts, the both teams have equal chances of being champions. This can prolly be the only reason why Liverpool would be eagerly looking forward to the CL final, and not prioritizing it per se, cause i can assure you that the same way Liverpool will head into their game against Madrid, is the exact same way they will play their last two games in the EPL against Southampton and Wolves. Every competition is still up for grabs for them, and until it is over, they will play with as much intensity as they can, to win and be champions, it might not be possible in all, but they will try.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on May 12, 2022, 09:10:14 AM

Real Madrid is not scarier than any other team in my opinion right now. I probably wouldn't have said this but when it comes to true champions League Real Madrid is certainly one of the best if not the best team in this competition. There is no way and no reason why Liverpool should underestimate Real Madrid. If anything Liverpool should be really careful because no one has given Real Madrid any chance of being in the finals of the Champions League this time but they made it against all odds.

I think few expected Real Madrid to reach the final this season. But the fact that they had a less competitive national championship, allowed them to focus more on the Champions League, and even with difficulties reaching the final.

Now that they are in the finals, as I said earlier, they are the favourites. Real Madrid have lost very few Champions League finals, it will be difficult for Liverpool.

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Quote from: Bloodseekers on May 12, 2022, 08:29:11 AM

I agree with you it is better and it makes sense for Liverpool to focus on the Champions League final rather than the Premier League. Because the English league champion is in the hands of Manchester City, while the Champions League winner is Liverpool's own decision if they can win the final match against Real Madrid, this automatically becomes Jurgen Klopp's achievement and Liverpool will definitely make a new history in the Champions League.

Obviously Liverpool will prioritize the Champions League, because the Champions League Trophy is more prestigious than the Premier League trophy. In the Premier League Liverpool are in second place, after Manchester City won over Wolves Liverpool are three points behind Manchester City, Liverpool is very dependent on the results achieved by Manchester City to get the Premier League trophy.
While in the Champions League Liverpool only need to win over Real Madrid. One more game is very important for Liverpool to bring home the Champions League trophy to England, as well as revenge against Real Madrid for their defeat in the 2018 Final.

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

I think, Liverpool players are busy for what will bring favour to them at the end of the final because they don't want Real Madrid to disgrace them like the way they disgrace other teams in this season. I still stand for Liverpool to win this season champion league title because they had performed well from the beginning of this tournament till now which it will make many people to predict for their favour. Real Madrid players will try their possible best to draw the match, but it will be difficult for Liverpool to allow the match to end up draw than to use their tactics to defeat Real Madrid 2-1 for the favour of Liverpool.

What is clear is that they should not underestimate Madrid in this regard.
Now Madrid has turned into a frightening specter who initially was a team that could be said to be underdog because they continued to face tough opponents but now they are like a boomerang and regardless of luck or their mentality is very good, Madrid is now a pretty scary figure.
Liverpool are currently still busy with their Quadruple target which may be lost and I think it would be better if they focused on the Champions League final instead of thinking about the EPL title which is quite difficult to achieve

Real Madrid is not scarier than any other team in my opinion right now. I probably wouldn't have said this but when it comes to true champions League Real Madrid is certainly one of the best if not the best team in this competition. There is no way and no reason why Liverpool should underestimate Real Madrid. If anything Liverpool should be really careful because no one has given Real Madrid any chance of being in the finals of the Champions League this time but they made it against all odds.

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Liverpool should now focus entirely on the Champions League final. Because whether Liverpool can win the Premier League title will depend on Manchester City's performance. If City lose a match, Liverpool will have a chance to win the title. Despite winning all Premier League matches, Liverpool is unlikely to win the title unless Manchester City loses points. And so Liverpool should try to win the Champions League title. Because if they can play well, they can win the title.

The Final Match will be after the EPL ends, correct? So, we will know the result Liverpool achieved in the EPL before the final. After that, surely between Madrid and Liverpool will do whatever it takes to achieve the title. For Liverpool, if they lose to City in the EPL race, then they must be able to beat Madrid as a substitute for their defeat in the EPL, and as the best title of the season. As for Madrid, if they win, this will be their 14th title. Win results will makes them the best European clubs in UCL all the time, because will be hard for another clubs to shift their trophy for now.

Thus the opportunities that Real Madrid have are actually more open, you say that Liverpool will face City in the remaining matches, that means Liverpool still have an important match before going to the Champions League final, Liverpool's difficulty now they must really focus on which league, because What we're worried about is Liverpool won't be able to secure a single trophy for this season, if they don't focus on one of these

If not a possible injury to any one of their key players Liverpool playing competitive EPL every week prior to their UCL final against Real Madrid is a welcome development, though it's a bit risky, however it will enable their players to be more fitter and in-form, Real Madrid players might have too much rest after winning the Laliga trophy which can be counterproductive, however I think it's better Real Madrid allow their players to play few games this will also enable their players to be competitive ready for their final match against Liverpool.

@mumang siat, in case you didn't know, actually Liverpool have got the trophy this season and it's the Carabao Cup. Also, that way there is still a chance for Liverpool to get another trophy, Liverpool still has the chance to get the EPL trophy, FA Cup and also, Champions League. I personally hope Liverpool can get all that but if not, at least Liverpool have proven that this season Liverpool is really great because they are candidates for the title in several different tournaments.

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

I think, Liverpool players are busy for what will bring favour to them at the end of the final because they don't want Real Madrid to disgrace them like the way they disgrace other teams in this season. I still stand for Liverpool to win this season champion league title because they had performed well from the beginning of this tournament till now which it will make many people to predict for their favour. Real Madrid players will try their possible best to draw the match, but it will be difficult for Liverpool to allow the match to end up draw than to use their tactics to defeat Real Madrid 2-1 for the favour of Liverpool.

I assumed the match could have ended in a penalty shootout. Both teams will probably score, but neither team will win in 2x45 minutes.
Liverpool fans will support Liverpool's victory. so are the Madrid fans. both of them will probably be focused on this final, but Liverpool has a lot of important games too. Liverpool's focus will be divided for each of their matches.

It's pretty good if the game goes into extra time, the audience will be very entertained because they can enjoy a great match for a long time. Real Madrid and Liverpool will take the initiative to attack early in the game in search of the winning goal, both teams will try to get a good result with the goals they get. It is very difficult to guess who will succeed in lifting the Champions League trophy this season, because Real Madrid and Liverpool are both the best teams in this competition.

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Quote from: mumang siat on May 12, 2022, 06:49:05 AM

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Liverpool should now focus entirely on the Champions League final. Because whether Liverpool can win the Premier League title will depend on Manchester City's performance. If City lose a match, Liverpool will have a chance to win the title. Despite winning all Premier League matches, Liverpool is unlikely to win the title unless Manchester City loses points. And so Liverpool should try to win the Champions League title. Because if they can play well, they can win the title.

The Final Match will be after the EPL ends, correct? So, we will know the result Liverpool achieved in the EPL before the final. After that, surely between Madrid and Liverpool will do whatever it takes to achieve the title. For Liverpool, if they lose to City in the EPL race, then they must be able to beat Madrid as a substitute for their defeat in the EPL, and as the best title of the season. As for Madrid, if they win, this will be their 14th title. Win results will makes them the best European clubs in UCL all the time, because will be hard for another clubs to shift their trophy for now.

Thus the opportunities that Real Madrid have are actually more open, you say that Liverpool will face City in the remaining matches, that means Liverpool still have an important match before going to the Champions League final, Liverpool's difficulty now they must really focus on which league, because What we're worried about is Liverpool won't be able to secure a single trophy for this season, if they don't focus on one of these

If not a possible injury to any one of their key players Liverpool playing competitive EPL every week prior to their UCL final against Real Madrid is a welcome development, though it's a bit risky, however it will enable their players to be more fitter and in-form, Real Madrid players might have too much rest after winning the Laliga trophy which can be counterproductive, however I think it's better Real Madrid allow their players to play few games this will also enable their players to be competitive ready for their final match against Liverpool.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on May 12, 2022, 08:24:08 AM

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

I think, Liverpool players are busy for what will bring favour to them at the end of the final because they don't want Real Madrid to disgrace them like the way they disgrace other teams in this season. I still stand for Liverpool to win this season champion league title because they had performed well from the beginning of this tournament till now which it will make many people to predict for their favour. Real Madrid players will try their possible best to draw the match, but it will be difficult for Liverpool to allow the match to end up draw than to use their tactics to defeat Real Madrid 2-1 for the favour of Liverpool.

What is clear is that they should not underestimate Madrid in this regard.
Now Madrid has turned into a frightening specter who initially was a team that could be said to be underdog because they continued to face tough opponents but now they are like a boomerang and regardless of luck or their mentality is very good, Madrid is now a pretty scary figure.
Liverpool are currently still busy with their Quadruple target which may be lost and I think it would be better if they focused on the Champions League final instead of thinking about the EPL title which is quite difficult to achieve

I agree with you it is better and it makes sense for Liverpool to focus on the Champions League final rather than the Premier League. Because the English league champion is in the hands of Manchester City, while the Champions League winner is Liverpool's own decision if they can win the final match against Real Madrid, this automatically becomes Jurgen Klopp's achievement and Liverpool will definitely make a new history in the Champions League.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on May 12, 2022, 03:25:37 AM

Liverpool should now focus entirely on the Champions League final. Because whether Liverpool can win the Premier League title will depend on Manchester City's performance. If City lose a match, Liverpool will have a chance to win the title. Despite winning all Premier League matches, Liverpool is unlikely to win the title unless Manchester City loses points. And so Liverpool should try to win the Champions League title. Because if they can play well, they can win the title.

Their chance in the EPL is almost closed with 2 matches remaining now. indeed it would be wiser if they focused on the Champions League Final at the moment rather than continue to make this difficult for the players.

but on the other hand of course Kloop knows much better what he wants to do. at the moment he is still quite successful with Liverpool and for sure he knows what he is going to do at this crucial moment

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on May 11, 2022, 11:58:03 PM

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

I think, Liverpool players are busy for what will bring favour to them at the end of the final because they don't want Real Madrid to disgrace them like the way they disgrace other teams in this season. I still stand for Liverpool to win this season champion league title because they had performed well from the beginning of this tournament till now which it will make many people to predict for their favour. Real Madrid players will try their possible best to draw the match, but it will be difficult for Liverpool to allow the match to end up draw than to use their tactics to defeat Real Madrid 2-1 for the favour of Liverpool.

What is clear is that they should not underestimate Madrid in this regard.
Now Madrid has turned into a frightening specter who initially was a team that could be said to be underdog because they continued to face tough opponents but now they are like a boomerang and regardless of luck or their mentality is very good, Madrid is now a pretty scary figure.
Liverpool are currently still busy with their Quadruple target which may be lost and I think it would be better if they focused on the Champions League final instead of thinking about the EPL title which is quite difficult to achieve

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

Not that long and it will come before you know it. Liverpool's last premier league match will be on May 22 so is one week preparation enough for the Finals? I think so but time will tell. Liverpool will most like field their full first team even on the last day and we can only hope that none of their key players get injured. We want both teams at their best.

I agree, I also hope that these two teams come out with the full squad without any of their main players being unavailable. Indeed, the road to the final is still long and both teams are still busy with their domestic leagues, especially for Liverpool who still hope that their main rivals Manchester City slip in their remaining matches, although that is a bit impossible. I also hope that the final game will be as we expected.

In what have seen and observe about Jürgen Klopp,he will fight till the end, as long as Manchester City has not won the league mathematically then there is know need to give up,but that does not mean he should not rest players or rotate his team, in there game against Aston villa on Tuesday he did not start Mohamed Salah he brought him on very late in the second half, and they did not miss him too much because they have a large squad,beside their full backs I don't see any other position that they don't have replacement in, is not like the season that they lose Mohamed Salah to injury in the final,. This time around they have two good replacement in Luis Diaz and jota so they won't be scared to rest players.

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Quote from: masulum on May 12, 2022, 05:56:13 AM

Quote from: Minor Miner on May 12, 2022, 03:25:37 AM

Liverpool should now focus entirely on the Champions League final. Because whether Liverpool can win the Premier League title will depend on Manchester City's performance. If City lose a match, Liverpool will have a chance to win the title. Despite winning all Premier League matches, Liverpool is unlikely to win the title unless Manchester City loses points. And so Liverpool should try to win the Champions League title. Because if they can play well, they can win the title.

The Final Match will be after the EPL ends, correct? So, we will know the result Liverpool achieved in the EPL before the final. After that, surely between Madrid and Liverpool will do whatever it takes to achieve the title. For Liverpool, if they lose to City in the EPL race, then they must be able to beat Madrid as a substitute for their defeat in the EPL, and as the best title of the season. As for Madrid, if they win, this will be their 14th title. Win results will makes them the best European clubs in UCL all the time, because will be hard for another clubs to shift their trophy for now.

Thus the opportunities that Real Madrid have are actually more open, you say that Liverpool will face City in the remaining matches, that means Liverpool still have an important match before going to the Champions League final, Liverpool's difficulty now they must really focus on which league, because What we're worried about is Liverpool won't be able to secure a single trophy for this season, if they don't focus on one of these

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Real Madrid has a bigger advantage, because they can play casually in the Spanish League and can rotate the main players in preparation for the Champions League final, while Liverpool are still struggling to catch up on points with Manchester City, the Final match is quite interesting for us to watch, because both This club has its own history in the Champions League, there are many possibilities for what will happen in the final

It looks like Liverpool will not be able to catch up points from Manchester City in the domestic league because the two teams they will face in the next match in the domestic league are teams that are not so strong so that both have a chance to win which will bring Manchester City to be champions in the domestic league season this and Liverpool will be under a bit of pressure for that and their focus will be a bit off in the Champions League.

It makes sense that Liverpool are more focused on the Champions League, because they are a bit behind Manchester City and need a miracle to turn things around at the moment. Plus Manchester City are also increasingly consistent with their appearance to be able to become champions. And it's true that Real Madrid are more relaxed in the domestic league, because they have locked the title.

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The road to the Finals is still long and both teams will have plenty of movement in their respective Leagues to complete a few more games. Only Real Madrid managed to lock the victory. Liverpool are still busy fighting to minimize the difference with Manchester City as much as possible. There are still many possibilities that can happen ahead of the final later.

Not that long and it will come before you know it. Liverpool's last premier league match will be on May 22 so is one week preparation enough for the Finals? I think so but time will tell. Liverpool will most like field their full first team even on the last day and we can only hope that none of their key players get injured. We want both teams at their best.

UEFA Champion League final still several weeks later and advantage for Real Madrid without care about domestic league again after locking trophy early, different with Liverpool still have to fight life and die how keep consistent winning on several match left because try to get chance with primer league trophy. Actually Real Madrid can save their regular player on domestic league and prepare for UEFA Champion League final but Liverpool still can't do it because they need play with regular player and have potential several week domestic match left with player get injury. I want to see Real Madrid can get double trophies in this season with UEFA Champion League and La Liga.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on May 12, 2022, 03:25:37 AM

Liverpool should now focus entirely on the Champions League final. Because whether Liverpool can win the Premier League title will depend on Manchester City's performance. If City lose a match, Liverpool will have a chance to win the title. Despite winning all Premier League matches, Liverpool is unlikely to win the title unless Manchester City loses points. And so Liverpool should try to win the Champions League title. Because if they can play well, they can win the title.

The Final Match will be after the EPL ends, correct? So, we will know the result Liverpool achieved in the EPL before the final. After that, surely between Madrid and Liverpool will do whatever it takes to achieve the title. For Liverpool, if they lose to City in the EPL race, then they must be able to beat Madrid as a substitute for their defeat in the EPL, and as the best title of the season. As for Madrid, if they win, this will be their 14th title. Win results will makes them the best European clubs in UCL all the time, because will be hard for another clubs to shift their trophy for now.

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I agree, I also hope that these two teams come out with the full squad without any of their main players being unavailable. Indeed, the road to the final is still long and both teams are still busy with their domestic leagues, especially for Liverpool who still hope that their main rivals Manchester City slip in their remaining matches, although that is a bit impossible. I also hope that the final game will be as we expected.

Real Madrid have prepared a special strategy to face Liverpool in the Champions League final, they have rotated their players in the Spanish League, thus losing to Atletico Madrid, while Liverpool are struggling to catch up with Manchester City in the Premier League, lastly Liverpool could only draw, both clubs kept players' fitness, Liverpool's burden is bigger, because they are facing big clubs and won the most Champions, even Real Madrid can rest players, because they have already secured one champion in spanish league

This is what makes Real Madrid a bit of an advantage in the final against Liverpool where at this time Real Madrid have locked the domestic title and they can have more rest time than Liverpool who continue to play their core players where they are trying to coup the position Manchester city in the standings.where the key players have to appear in every game and this is different from Real Madrid where they only fielded second-tier players against Atletico Madrid in the BBVA league match yesterday, of course Liverpool must be a little wary about this considering they haven't once rotated his players in the English premier league where the feared thing happened at any time the players had to suffer injuries before the final match

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at least in this case experience is also influential. Liverpool are a very good team but to play in the final last time they had to make a fatal mistake there due to the lack of mentality of the players on the other hand it's true statistics are also very closely related but indeed all the factors mentioned are just additives to make this more exciting because in the end everything will still be done with their hard work for 90 minutes

Of course, both teams will decide their fate in 90 minutes and maybe both can reach extra time if within 90 minutes the match ends in a draw. When both teams have chances then I don't think I should underestimate either of them especially because it's a final.

Although Liverpool are currently the favorites to win the Champions League title, Real Madrid is a team that is likely to disappoint their fans. I'm not a Real Madrid fan, but I think it's appropriate to support them bringing the title back to Spain this season.

True, Tensi will be very hot here because indeed this is the culmination of the match and all eyes are on them at the moment.
actually if I say support I actually like these two teams because indeed they are still one of my favorites in the domestic league but in this case I might agree with you because I still feel Real Madrid are still worthy even though they are not very favored

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