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Quote from: Iranus on May 29, 2022, 11:53:44 PM

I honestly wanted Liverpool to win because I thought they would be a lot more determined after losing the English Premier League title only by 1 point.
But if we think about it, I think we will see that Real Madrid is the more deserving team to win the Champions League just because of the teams that they had to beat on the way to the finals.

Anyway, I hope Liverpool will be able to do better in the next season but I honestly question that because Sadio Mane will not be in the Liverpool squad as it seems right now.

I agree with what you say. I also was rooting for Liverpool, it is a pity to play an amazing year just to be short a single point and one goal in the Champions League final, but such is football. They will have luckier years at some point in the future where they might go out of the year with a couple of titles.
Real Madrid is not an undeserved winner. They also played a great year, beating several teams in the Champions League against bookmaker-odds. Congratulations to them!

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Quote from: harapan on May 29, 2022, 04:31:21 PM

Most Manchester United fans are so happy with the loss of Liverpool. Liverpool has quadruple dream's but ended up winning only two.
Chelsea had some block's from hazard winning the champions league, I think a bit higher than what Liverpool won from both the FA Cup and the Carabao Cup finals.
Liverpool did well this season, but couldn't outshine Real Madrid.

I honestly wanted Liverpool to win because I thought they would be a lot more determined after losing the English Premier League title only by 1 point.
But if we think about it, I think we will see that Real Madrid is the more deserving team to win the Champions League just because of the teams that they had to beat on the way to the finals.

Anyway, I hope Liverpool will be able to do better in the next season but I honestly question that because Sadio Mane will not be in the Liverpool squad as it seems right now.

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Quote from: sana54210 on May 29, 2022, 04:55:26 PM

I still can't believe that Zidane has 3 to be fair Cheesy

. Ancelotti is great, but if Zidane kept going, he would have maybe another title, or maybe he wouldn't, he could have moved to another team and maybe won one. Now that PSG kept Mbappe, I really really really want to see Zidane manages PSG, and do it for many years.

I know for sure that they would be good enough to listen to Zidane, someone who won it 3 times the moment he started managing a team, and became one of the best ever. By comparison SIR! alexferguson has only 2, that's how great Zidane is. Ancelotti is of course a marvelous manager, but he has been managing for so many years, I am sure that that record will be broken in the next 10 years or so.

Zidane would have found very good success with PSG in my opinion because he would have had the perfect squad for him and that would also suit him with the attacking mindset that he has. It would have been really great to see PSG playing under the authority of Zidane.

Ancelotti is also a great coach and it has been proven this year with Real Madrid. Real Madrid had very good success in both La Liga and also Champions League under the authority of Carlo Ancelotti. And Real Madrid also got this success without having a too good squad in my opinion.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on May 29, 2022, 09:36:38 PM

Quote from: Smack That Ace on May 29, 2022, 09:12:38 PM

Real Madrid has not always been like this. There were times when Real Madrid was not a very rich club and neither a very strong one. But they have reached there with some good decisions and some very good performance.
Obviously, their performance in the Champions League is quite unbelievable. I believe they deserved the champions League win this time.

I was also not surprised to see that there were not too many goals in the final. And obviously, the reason for that is Real Madrid defended really well. Liverpool also defended well but they often left gaps in the defense.

Anyway, congratulations to Real Madrid for winning the Champions League once again.

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Thibaut Courtois and Vinicius Junior were indeed starred in the Champions League Final, but the one who plays an important role behind Real Madrid's glorious achievements this season is Carlo Ancelotti. When Real Madrid decided to sign Carlo Ancelotti, many people had their doubts, moreover, he also didn't take many actions in the transfer window. But those doubts were answered, and in the end, he managed to win La Liga and the Champions League trophy with a squad that doesn't spend a lot of money.

Yes, since Ancelotti decided to return to coach Real Madrid for the second time, many people were surprised and doubted it, especially since Don Carlo has only had one and a half seasons with Everton. Returning to the Santiago Bernabeu, Ancelotti brings a personal mission that he wants to complete. The Italian manager wants to win the La Liga title. Winning La Liga really made Ancelotti curious. And this curiosity was officially completed recently after Real Madrid won the 2021/22 La Liga. And Carlo Ancelotti successfully carved gold ink in his career as a football manager. He became the first manager to successfully win titles in Europe's top five leagues. Not only that, Ancelotti also succeeded in bringing El Real to their 14th Champions League title and made himself the only manager to have won the Champions League for the fourth time.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on May 29, 2022, 09:12:38 PM

Quote from: AndySt on May 29, 2022, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: trendcoin on May 29, 2022, 03:21:54 PM

Greece won the 2004 European Football Championship by putting a bus in front of the defense. Real Madrid played a similar tactic against Liverpool. They put a bus in front of the defense and tried to score with counter attacks. I think they didn't play with a tactic worthy of the final, but at the end of the day they won. After all, the most important thing in games like this is to win.

Congratulations to Real Madrid and Real Madrid fans on winning their 14th Champions League title.

I admit that I personally also came up with this analogy with the Greek national team, but still it is worth recognizing that potentially Real Madrid was not so much inferior to its rivals in strength and class. Although, of course, it was quite funny to watch when a team with such a name and history as Real Madrid built their game from defense Wink

However, the winners are not judged and if the result was achieved, it means that the strategy for the match was chosen correctly and I would like to sincerely congratulate Real Madrid on the victory! Moreover, such matches as the final very often end with a small number of goals due to the fact that the final result prevails over the teams.

Real Madrid has not always been like this. There were times when Real Madrid was not a very rich club and neither a very strong one. But they have reached there with some good decisions and some very good performance.
Obviously, their performance in the Champions League is quite unbelievable. I believe they deserved the champions League win this time.

I was also not surprised to see that there were not too many goals in the final. And obviously, the reason for that is Real Madrid defended really well. Liverpool also defended well but they often left gaps in the defense.

Anyway, congratulations to Real Madrid for winning the Champions League once again.

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True, the performance of a club is not always consistent every season. Real Madrid reached the peak of glory in the Champions League this season after being controlled by Ancelotti, before Real Madrid officials appointed Ancelotti as coach, Real Madrid was very weak, Zidane who had previously won with Real Madrid had to leave his position because he was considered unable to maintain Real Madrid performance. There is no certainty that Real Madrid will be able to repeat the success of this season, player injury factors, conflicts within the team and a hectic schedule can disrupt the team's concentration on the field.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 29, 2022, 03:13:55 PM

Real Madrid had a very poor performance generally but they still used their chances in a very effective way. They did the best thing they do always. They scored the goal by a very quick counter-attack. This was the thing I was hoping for to happen because it would make the game more enjoyable. I was expecting to see Liverpool playing their usual dominant game after that goal in the end. I'm afraid Liverpool weren't that much impressive still. They had some important chances and Courtois didn't let them score. Congratulations to Real Madrid and their fans!

If Real Madrid's game is said to be bad overall, how can they get rid of the big teams, even among them there are 3 big teams from England who this season occupy the top 3 positions in the domestic standings. Lol
This is just a strategy used by the coach to disrupt the opponent's concentration through his defense, and it has proven to be successful in bringing Real Madrid to win La Liga and the Champions League this season

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on May 29, 2022, 03:13:55 PM

Real Madrid had a very poor performance generally but they still used their chances in a very effective way. They did the best thing they do always. They scored the goal by a very quick counter-attack. This was the thing I was hoping for to happen because it would make the game more enjoyable. I was expecting to see Liverpool playing their usual dominant game after that goal in the end. I'm afraid Liverpool weren't that much impressive still. They had some important chances and Courtois didn't let them score. Congratulations to Real Madrid and their fans!

I see it's not a bad performance from Real Madrid but more to Carlo Ancelotti's strategy. In its journey in the champions league this season, Real Madrid met with big teams until the final round. Don Carlo knows very well the ability of his squad, in facing a tough and attacking opponent, Ancelotti must play a different strategy from his opponent, if Karim Benzema and his friends follow the rhythm of the game attacking the opposing team, then I can say El Real has lifted the suitcase first of this tournament. Don Carlo is a genius and very experienced, to be able to give his best for Real Madrid in his second season.

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Quote from: W Jr. on May 29, 2022, 03:25:43 PM

Quote from: xzone on May 29, 2022, 12:30:14 PM

Liverpool played better football this year, I wish they were champions. But Real Madrid's goalkeeper played with a very good performance. Courtois was the most important and critical player in winning this match

It doesn't matter how many positions you have or how many shots you take, the important thing is to score. Liverpool failed to score and therefore did not become champions.

Statistical data doesn't make any sense, even for the final match. Even if you shoot 100 shots, it doesn't matter if you can't score. We saw that in this final match as well. Real Madrid scored with few chances and protected it with good defense. They became champions because they were able to keep the score, it's that simple.

Statistics are just statistics, because in football the most productive team will be the winner. Real Madrid is a team that plays effective and productive football. They didn't have too many chances but they also didn't waste chances if they got them. One goal was enough to make Liverpool go home disappointed.

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Quote from: snipie on May 29, 2022, 06:16:10 PM

Quote from: Velvet78 on May 29, 2022, 06:06:36 PM

We shouldn't forget about the fact that Tottenham reached the Champions League finale before. Maybe Liverpool won the title then but reaching this stage was still a huge success for Tottenham certainly. Considering this fact, I also think that Tottenham can do a good job next season here thanks to especially Conte's great management. They are playing more determined than before and we never know how much they will be capable of.

Conte made Spurs better for sure. Getting back to the top 4 was an achievement that the team failed to get in a couple of seasons tho. Nevertheless, the team with the actual players can't compete City nor Liverpool imo. The gap is quite big and the fluctuations of players performance without much choice is a limited factor there.

I think Tottenham struggled to reach the spot that they have finished in the English Premier League and I really don't believe they will be able to do something special in the next Champions League trophy. I believe there are a lot of better teams that are more suited to win the Champions League trophy. And there are teams from all around the world and not only from the English Premier League. I know they have a good coach but there is no point in having a good coach if you cannot execute the plans on the field.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on May 29, 2022, 09:36:38 PM

Thibaut Courtois and Vinicius Junior were indeed starred in the Champions League Final, but the one who plays an important role behind Real Madrid's glorious achievements this season is Carlo Ancelotti. When Real Madrid decided to sign Carlo Ancelotti, many people had their doubts, moreover, he also didn't take many actions in the transfer window. But those doubts were answered, and in the end, he managed to win La Liga and the Champions League trophy with a squad that doesn't spend a lot of money.

Real madrid is the best team in the world which no team wants to play with. They took down tough teams just to lift their 14th time UEFEA trophy this season, although it's been like that in the last 10 years. Madrid never lose a Champions league final in the their last 7 appearance in the finals. Madrid boss, Carlo Ancelloti is a calm coach that don't shout much on the pitch, his tactics in football is rare and always have an option B in all game plan. That's one of the reasons behind his victorious games and next season, he will still undefeated in the long run of challenges and competitions.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on May 29, 2022, 09:36:38 PM

Thibaut Courtois and Vinicius Junior were indeed starred in the Champions League Final, but the one who plays an important role behind Real Madrid's glorious achievements this season is Carlo Ancelotti. When Real Madrid decided to sign Carlo Ancelotti, many people had their doubts, moreover, he also didn't take many actions in the transfer window. But those doubts were answered, and in the end, he managed to win La Liga and the Champions League trophy with a squad that doesn't spend a lot of money.

Thibaut Courtois was probably the most important player for Real Madrid. Without him, I don't see how they would have won the Champions League trophy.

Another thing is Real Madrid realized that with the kind of defense that they have they will not be able to stop Liverpool without dropping back a lot more players than normal to defend.

I really praise the coach for that. Even I had doubts about Real Madrid but they have played really well and they absolutely deserved the success that they got both in la Liga and Champions League.

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Quote from: Coyster on May 29, 2022, 06:19:04 PM

Quote from: BuNga_cute on May 29, 2022, 05:50:36 PM

Hopefully Tottenham can give the same surprise in the Champions League next season, especially now that Tottenham are coached by Antonio Conte, who I admit is a great and experienced coach.

I am afraid that sort of surprise is not going to happen again, not in a long time, and at least not next season. I have this feeling that next season's CL is going to be extremely competitive, and all of the 'elite' clubs are really going to push hard for the title, i cannot see any chance for Spurs. Antonio Conte is a great manager no doubt about that, but he will still need quite a lot of time to take this Spurs side to the later stages of the CL. My team to watch out for in next season's CL is Barcelona, i am not saying they are going to win it (absolutely not), but i am looking forward to their return after a short stint in the EL, it is going to be fun to see them back.

The world was having a bad time and there were a lot of problems going on all around the world. But now everything seems to be in place and I think finally all the teams will be able to concentrate well on football.

So, it is obviously going to be a much more competitive Champions League next time. With the record that Real Madrid has in the Champions League, I still think that Real Madrid is going to have a hard time defending its title. It is going to be way harder for Tottenham to win the Champions League. I personally don't think they will be able to win the Champions League.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on May 29, 2022, 09:12:38 PM

Real Madrid has not always been like this. There were times when Real Madrid was not a very rich club and neither a very strong one. But they have reached there with some good decisions and some very good performance.
Obviously, their performance in the Champions League is quite unbelievable. I believe they deserved the champions League win this time.

I was also not surprised to see that there were not too many goals in the final. And obviously, the reason for that is Real Madrid defended really well. Liverpool also defended well but they often left gaps in the defense.

Anyway, congratulations to Real Madrid for winning the Champions League once again.

Regards

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Thibaut Courtois and Vinicius Junior were indeed starred in the Champions League Final, but the one who plays an important role behind Real Madrid's glorious achievements this season is Carlo Ancelotti. When Real Madrid decided to sign Carlo Ancelotti, many people had their doubts, moreover, he also didn't take many actions in the transfer window. But those doubts were answered, and in the end, he managed to win La Liga and the Champions League trophy with a squad that doesn't spend a lot of money.

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Quote from: AndySt on May 29, 2022, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: trendcoin on May 29, 2022, 03:21:54 PM

Greece won the 2004 European Football Championship by putting a bus in front of the defense. Real Madrid played a similar tactic against Liverpool. They put a bus in front of the defense and tried to score with counter attacks. I think they didn't play with a tactic worthy of the final, but at the end of the day they won. After all, the most important thing in games like this is to win.

Congratulations to Real Madrid and Real Madrid fans on winning their 14th Champions League title.

I admit that I personally also came up with this analogy with the Greek national team, but still it is worth recognizing that potentially Real Madrid was not so much inferior to its rivals in strength and class. Although, of course, it was quite funny to watch when a team with such a name and history as Real Madrid built their game from defense Wink

However, the winners are not judged and if the result was achieved, it means that the strategy for the match was chosen correctly and I would like to sincerely congratulate Real Madrid on the victory! Moreover, such matches as the final very often end with a small number of goals due to the fact that the final result prevails over the teams.

Real Madrid has not always been like this. There were times when Real Madrid was not a very rich club and neither a very strong one. But they have reached there with some good decisions and some very good performance.
Obviously, their performance in the Champions League is quite unbelievable. I believe they deserved the champions League win this time.

I was also not surprised to see that there were not too many goals in the final. And obviously, the reason for that is Real Madrid defended really well. Liverpool also defended well but they often left gaps in the defense.

Anyway, congratulations to Real Madrid for winning the Champions League once again.

Regards

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Quote from: AndySt on May 29, 2022, 06:34:13 PM

Quote from: trendcoin on May 29, 2022, 03:21:54 PM

Greece won the 2004 European Football Championship by putting a bus in front of the defense. Real Madrid played a similar tactic against Liverpool. They put a bus in front of the defense and tried to score with counter attacks. I think they didn't play with a tactic worthy of the final, but at the end of the day they won. After all, the most important thing in games like this is to win.

Congratulations to Real Madrid and Real Madrid fans on winning their 14th Champions League title.

I admit that I personally also came up with this analogy with the Greek national team, but still it is worth recognizing that potentially Real Madrid was not so much inferior to its rivals in strength and class. Although, of course, it was quite funny to watch when a team with such a name and history as Real Madrid built their game from defense Wink

I don't see Yunani in Real Madrid, What I can see is Liverpool's attacker in underperformance, as I can see Salah and Mane didn't shoot a ball like what they did in the premier league before. Moh. Salah did 2 shoot times in the left goal and can always be countered by Courtois. Salah will always create a goal in the right goal in narrow cage.

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Quote from: trendcoin on May 29, 2022, 03:21:54 PM

Greece won the 2004 European Football Championship by putting a bus in front of the defense. Real Madrid played a similar tactic against Liverpool. They put a bus in front of the defense and tried to score with counter attacks. I think they didn't play with a tactic worthy of the final, but at the end of the day they won. After all, the most important thing in games like this is to win.

Congratulations to Real Madrid and Real Madrid fans on winning their 14th Champions League title.

I admit that I personally also came up with this analogy with the Greek national team, but still it is worth recognizing that potentially Real Madrid was not so much inferior to its rivals in strength and class. Although, of course, it was quite funny to watch when a team with such a name and history as Real Madrid built their game from defense Wink

However, the winners are not judged and if the result was achieved, it means that the strategy for the match was chosen correctly and I would like to sincerely congratulate Real Madrid on the victory! Moreover, such matches as the final very often end with a small number of goals due to the fact that the final result prevails over the teams.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on May 29, 2022, 05:50:36 PM

Hopefully Tottenham can give the same surprise in the Champions League next season, especially now that Tottenham are coached by Antonio Conte, who I admit is a great and experienced coach.

I am afraid that sort of surprise is not going to happen again, not in a long time, and at least not next season. I have this feeling that next season's CL is going to be extremely competitive, and all of the 'elite' clubs are really going to push hard for the title, i cannot see any chance for Spurs. Antonio Conte is a great manager no doubt about that, but he will still need quite a lot of time to take this Spurs side to the later stages of the CL. My team to watch out for in next season's CL is Barcelona, i am not saying they are going to win it (absolutely not), but i am looking forward to their return after a short stint in the EL, it is going to be fun to see them back.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on May 29, 2022, 06:06:36 PM

We shouldn't forget about the fact that Tottenham reached the Champions League finale before. Maybe Liverpool won the title then but reaching this stage was still a huge success for Tottenham certainly. Considering this fact, I also think that Tottenham can do a good job next season here thanks to especially Conte's great management. They are playing more determined than before and we never know how much they will be capable of.

Conte made Spurs better for sure. Getting back to the top 4 was an achievement that the team failed to get in a couple of seasons tho. Nevertheless, the team with the actual players can't compete City nor Liverpool imo. The gap is quite big and the fluctuations of players performance without much choice is a limited factor there.

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We shouldn't forget about the fact that Tottenham reached the Champions League finale before. Maybe Liverpool won the title then but reaching this stage was still a huge success for Tottenham certainly. Considering this fact, I also think that Tottenham can do a good job next season here thanks to especially Conte's great management. They are playing more determined than before and we never know how much they will be capable of.

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Quote from: borovichok on May 29, 2022, 04:35:44 PM

Would have been a shame not seeing Tottenham Hotspur in next season champions League, because I really think that they will do very great in that competition because they have now have Antonio Conte, he is the kind of coach that they need,s coach that can compete with Klopp and Pep Guadiola,if you pay attention to the transfer of Ivan perisic you will know that he is ready already, Ivan perisic is a winner and he is age enough to know his job, he want a left center back when he have a very good Ben Davies but still he wants Bastonni,I think is because he wants more competition and improvements so I think Tottenham Hotspur will be far better next season.

I admit that Antonio Conte is a great coach and can make Tottenham grow even better, but with the quality of the current players it is quite difficult
for Tottenham to compete in the Champions League next season. Therefore, the Tottenham management has injected large enough funds to be used
by Conte to buy several players, so that Tottenham can compete in the Champions League next season. We will see which players Antonio Conte will sign.
Hopefully next season Tottenham can appear surprising in the Champions League. I remember that in the 2018/2019 season, Tottenham made it into
the Champions League final, but unfortunately Tottenham failed to win the Champions League after being beaten by Liverpool. Hopefully Tottenham
can give the same surprise in the Champions League next season, especially now that Tottenham are coached by Antonio Conte, who I admit is a great
and experienced coach.

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