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Quote from: W Jr. on December 20, 2021, 12:19:28 PM

Professionalism in football emerges more in such situations. Nothing much has changed for Messi, but it will be an emotional pairing for Navas and Ramos. They will play against their old team. Especially Ramos will play against his club, which he captained for many years. I think Paris SG will pass the tour. However, it is a fact that this match will be like the final match.

Players like Ramos are very ego and professional. They don't have issue to play against clubs they played in many years. It is just their works have to be done. They have less emotional impacts because they are not home-grown players of Real Madrid. They were just bought by Real Madrid and played there in a few seasons (Navas) and almost whole of career (Ramos). Both Ramos and Navas have their best time in Real Madrid so this return is emotional for them.

PSG have better players than Real Madrid but Real Madrid have a better coach in Champions League. Ancelotti have more experience in Champions League than Pochettino and it can be very important contributor to result of this clash.

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Quote from: bekti3 on December 19, 2021, 01:05:49 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on December 19, 2021, 11:40:17 AM

By the way, I recalled that last year in the championship of my country there was an interesting situation: one of the teams (which was the favorite) was almost completely quarantined, but it was forced to play against a formal outsider. As you can imagine, it was a match of the second squad against the main squad of the other team - that is, it was completely unfair. Nevertheless, this match took place and ended with a score of something like 8-0. I would not want this to happen in the Champions League.

a few months ago also happened in the portugal league where at that time 13 players of the Portuguese club Belenenses were tested positive for Covid and they had to be forced to play matches with their youth squad.
they inevitably have to fight benfica at full strength with some young players and a shortage of players.
As a result, they conceded 7 goals and in the second half only 7 Belenenses players were left on the field.
This is very worrying and like you said, I don't want something like this to happen because it will definitely harm everyone

Terrible events. I don't even know which is better: transfer the game (break the entire calendar and there is a possibility that there will be too many transferred games); awarding a technical defeat to the kotoara team is in quarantine (but then the clubs will not receive income from ticket sales and broadcasts) or allowing young players to play - but this will lead to such absurd results. It looks like this is an equation without a good solution.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on December 14, 2021, 06:27:31 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on December 14, 2021, 06:19:55 AM

An interesting statement came from Sergio Ramos. Continuing his career with Paris SG, Ramos announced that he will fight to the death in the Real Madrid match. The fact that he will play with such passion against his old team makes the matchup a little more exciting. How will the Spanish fans react to Sergio Ramos when Paris goes to Madrid?

If Ramos, Navas and Messi could play in that match, I think it would be better to see the reaction of the Real Madrid fans than without the involvement of the two former players. This is not a friendly match, but their professionalism is required to beat all their opponents without exception if it is their former team.

I would like to see the collaboration of Navas, Ramos and Messi to beat Real Madrid in the next two Champions League leg, if PSG really manage to beat Real Madrid then as a fan you shouldn't take it as a betrayal either. LOL

Professionalism in football emerges more in such situations. Nothing much has changed for Messi, but it will be an emotional pairing for Navas and Ramos. They will play against their old team. Especially Ramos will play against his club, which he captained for many years. I think Paris SG will pass the tour. However, it is a fact that this match will be like the final match.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on December 16, 2021, 07:41:38 PM

There are still months to go for the last 16 matchups to be played in the Champions League. And the covid-19 situation is getting heavier in Europe now. Therefore, I think that it is really difficult to comment on the matches. For example, Virgil van Dijk, Fabinho and Curtis Jones tested positive for covid-19 at Liverpool today and they couldn't play in the Newcastle match.

If the corona virus is spreading now, of course it is not impossible that uefa will stop the champions league competition for a while, several clubs in europe have confirmed that many of their players have contracted the corona virus and make them have to postpone the current match in the league domestic and European competitions.

The situation, hopefully, will not be that bad. The winter of course might be very hard, considering the relatively high number of cases, but I cannot imagine we will go back to quarantine times like 2020. At least there should be CL and UEFA league games without the crowd. Just personally, I cannot bear to live without these normal things we took for granted.

Covid that continues to hit the world today really makes us quite constrained in every activity of our lives, right now we can only hope that the worst phase that is happening now will end soon and we will be able to live a normal life again, football is the only entertainment available for us at this time, and if the virus does spread further, it might be better if the games were played behind closed doors rather than stopping them completely.

Corona virus infections are on the rise again. And growing terribly. Now all clubs and leagues should be careful. Players will be infected with the Corona virus again if they are not careful. As a result, all kinds of sports may be canceled again for a while. Many Premier League matches have been posponed for coronavirus.

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Quote from: masulum on December 20, 2021, 09:57:19 AM

PSG have a lot of strikers, but that doesn't mean they will be easy to beat Madrid. Currently Madrid are on-fire in the domestic league and are doing quite well in the play-offs with 5 wins. However, what made this match interesting was that it was like Messi met his opponent during La Liga. And Ramos is back not as captain of madrid, but as their opponent. But, in other hand, experience of Ramos and Messi in La Liga, may be difficult for Madrid to win.

One of the match I don't want to miss in the last 16 of the Champions League this season is the match between PSG and Real Madrid. Although some of the other match also look good, I believe PSG and Madrid are the most anticipated match.

In that match Real Madrid had several former players and also former captains, namely Sergio Ramos, Di Maria, and Keylor Navas. Of course Messi and Ramos became the players who were in the spotlight in that match because they were united in one team to beat Real Madrid. I just want to see these two play in that match, but what is certain is hope that both of them are fit enough to play.

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Quote from: püsür on December 17, 2021, 02:41:42 PM

Quote from: poldanmig on December 17, 2021, 11:34:55 AM

Quote from: emrecemsan on December 16, 2021, 07:41:38 PM

There are still months to go for the last 16 matchups to be played in the Champions League. And the covid-19 situation is getting heavier in Europe now. Therefore, I think that it is really difficult to comment on the matches. For example, Virgil van Dijk, Fabinho and Curtis Jones tested positive for covid-19 at Liverpool today and they couldn't play in the Newcastle match.

If the corona virus is spreading now, of course it is not impossible that uefa will stop the champions league competition for a while, several clubs in europe have confirmed that many of their players have contracted the corona virus and make them have to postpone the current match in the league domestic and European competitions.

The situation, hopefully, will not be that bad. The winter of course might be very hard, considering the relatively high number of cases, but I cannot imagine we will go back to quarantine times like 2020. At least there should be CL and UEFA league games without the crowd. Just personally, I cannot bear to live without these normal things we took for granted.

Covid that continues to hit the world today really makes us quite constrained in every activity of our lives, right now we can only hope that the worst phase that is happening now will end soon and we will be able to live a normal life again, football is the only entertainment available for us at this time, and if the virus does spread further, it might be better if the games were played behind closed doors rather than stopping them completely.

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Quote from: püsür on December 20, 2021, 05:24:16 AM

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Quote from: püsür on December 17, 2021, 02:41:42 PM

At least there should be CL and UEFA league games without the crowd.

The problem is many players got infected by the Covid. It harms the clubs who lose a lot of players, especially losing their key players because they must be quarantined. It is surely not as simple as we think, Covid transmission is just starting and looks to increase quickly. The best option is absolutely to stop CL, UEFA, and also local league competitions. Even with no crowd, cannot solve the problem because the real problem comes from many aspects.

I understand your point but if we consider everywhere covid can spread from person to person, football and other sports are not in the top of that list. I wish we could come up with a better solution than stopping CL, UEFA and other leagues and tournaments.

I also think it is obvious that there is a vaccination problem everywhere, including athletes. I acknowledge the freedom aspect but just get the damn vaccine and be done with it:
https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/premier-league-has-most-unvaccinated-players-in-europes-top-leagues
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/18/covid-chaos-leads-jurgen-klopp-demand-action-anti-vaxx-players-liverpool

Things will need to get really bad in order to stop these leagues, I understand that there is a lot of fear for the new strain of the virus and that at the same time we cannot be too cautious, but at the same time I do not think the economy of the world is going to endure another series of lockdowns like the ones we suffered back then, so it is likely that the leagues will continue and that at worst they play behind closed doors to reduce the possibility of people getting infected.

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Quote from: masulum on December 20, 2021, 09:57:19 AM

Quote from: mia_houston on December 20, 2021, 09:46:29 AM

Against PSG which has a lot of great strikers, it would be a mistake if madrid prefers to stay, even though madrid are in pretty good form at the moment, but you mustn't forget that madrid's defense is still very bad, I think whoever scored first in the match will dominate the game, and I think madrid will play aggressively in that match so as to put pressure on PSG players, sometimes attack is a good defense in football.

PSG have a lot of strikers, but that doesn't mean they will be easy to beat Madrid. Currently Madrid are on-fire in the domestic league and are doing quite well in the play-offs with 5 wins. However, what made this match interesting was that it was like Messi met his opponent during La Liga. And Ramos is back not as captain of madrid, but as their opponent. But, in other hand, experience of Ramos and Messi in La Liga, may be difficult for Madrid to win.

PSG and Real Madrid are the shadows in my mind who is greater than them, so I will continue to judge this match to be crucial.
If Madrid's defense is still lacking, there is still a chance to get the desired defender in the transfer market later, because it can be said that PSG are perfect in their squad but that doesn't mean they will continue to dominate the game. I think this match will be even.
So Messi and Ramos will unite to destroy Real Madrid.

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Quote from: masulum on December 20, 2021, 09:57:19 AM

PSG have a lot of strikers, but that doesn't mean they will be easy to beat Madrid. Currently Madrid are on-fire in the domestic league and are doing quite well in the play-offs with 5 wins. However, what made this match interesting was that it was like Messi met his opponent during La Liga. And Ramos is back not as captain of madrid, but as their opponent. But, in other hand, experience of Ramos and Messi in La Liga, may be difficult for Madrid to win.

Interesting as for this match, it's a long time coming. Ramos will meet with his former club. At least Ramos already understands how madrid and that's PSG's advantage. But in the end I agree with you it will be difficult to guess the final result. Maybe they should make the most of the game at home, because it will last 2 legs. Of course the first game should Madrid can win without conceding. At least Madrid should also win 2-0. With a margin of 2 goals of course Madrid will feel more confident for the 2nd leg in Paris.

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Quote from: mia_houston on December 20, 2021, 09:46:29 AM

Against PSG which has a lot of great strikers, it would be a mistake if madrid prefers to stay, even though madrid are in pretty good form at the moment, but you mustn't forget that madrid's defense is still very bad, I think whoever scored first in the match will dominate the game, and I think madrid will play aggressively in that match so as to put pressure on PSG players, sometimes attack is a good defense in football.

PSG have a lot of strikers, but that doesn't mean they will be easy to beat Madrid. Currently Madrid are on-fire in the domestic league and are doing quite well in the play-offs with 5 wins. However, what made this match interesting was that it was like Messi met his opponent during La Liga. And Ramos is back not as captain of madrid, but as their opponent. But, in other hand, experience of Ramos and Messi in La Liga, may be difficult for Madrid to win.

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Quote from: nurilham on December 19, 2021, 06:53:31 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on December 19, 2021, 03:26:48 AM

It is naive to assume that Real will play defensively in this pair and will give PSG a lot of chances to score.

Why it is naive? It is my prediction, I consider how Real Madrid should deal with PSG strikers. I think Real Madrid coach may consider about this. Focusing in defending doesn't mean Real Madrid stop attacking and has no intention to control the match. What I mean, those defenders must be more discipline and more strict to keep PSG strikers. You are misunderstood, I never state that Real Madrid players to let PSG players be easier in attacking.

Against PSG which has a lot of great strikers, it would be a mistake if madrid prefers to stay, even though madrid are in pretty good form at the moment, but you mustn't forget that madrid's defense is still very bad, I think whoever scored first in the match will dominate the game, and I think madrid will play aggressively in that match so as to put pressure on PSG players, sometimes attack is a good defense in football.

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Quote from: jakdanyel on December 20, 2021, 08:14:13 AM

Atletico Madrid - Manchester United could be a really interesting matchup. Because there is not a big difference between them now in terms of strength. Atletico Madrid are very experienced when it comes to defending their opponents in critical matches. But they haven't been playing like themselves recently. They are in a really bad shape now as they have a losing streak of three matches in the La Liga. And Manchester United are on the rise by Rangnick's arrival. But their performance is still not too impressive. In this case, we can watch very competitive matches here. But in my opinion, Manchester United are still stronger than Atletico Madrid now and they can advance to the next round if we don't see big changes.

I agree here. At least on paper this of probably the closest matchup in the round of the last 16 of the champions league. Both teams are not in the best shape at the moment but that does not necessarily mean that much when it comes to such important knock out games. If Manchester United would have not changed their coach then Atletico would definitely be the favorite here for me, but now with Rangnick i think the odds have changed a little bit. For me he is one of the best coaches in Europe and even back in the late 1990#s the teams of Rangnick already played pressing and they already covered the space instead of fixed players.

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Atletico Madrid - Manchester United could be a really interesting matchup. Because there is not a big difference between them now in terms of strength. Atletico Madrid are very experienced when it comes to defending their opponents in critical matches. But they haven't been playing like themselves recently. They are in a really bad shape now as they have a losing streak of three matches in the La Liga. And Manchester United are on the rise by Rangnick's arrival. But their performance is still not too impressive. In this case, we can watch very competitive matches here. But in my opinion, Manchester United are still stronger than Atletico Madrid now and they can advance to the next round if we don't see big changes.

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Quote from: mv1986 on December 19, 2021, 06:17:56 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on December 19, 2021, 05:22:44 PM

Are you implying that Mbappe will score goals into his own net? In order to please the management of Real Madrid even more Grin

In fact, I do not think that in this match there will be at least some background to this transition (which can already be considered as 99% completed). All football players will try to show their best game and maybe Mbappe will be able to score, but whether this is will be enough for overall success is unknown (my prediction: not enough).

Actually I look at this issue from a totally different angle. If I was Mbappe I wouldn't want Real Madrid to win the Champions League the year before I sign a contract with them. In fact I would want them to lose early and then when I join the team win the trophy, so everybody says that Mbappe made the difference. I never thought a player who was about to transfer to another club would harm the club he is currently playing for.

To some extent you are right, but in this case the situation is a little different. PSG is just a bag of money, and Real is a legendary club that wins the Champions League regularly. No young name can change this balance, even if Haaland, Mbappe, Vinicius, etc. are included in one player. No one will say that one player made the difference.

Quote from: nurilham on December 19, 2021, 06:53:31 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on December 19, 2021, 03:26:48 AM

It is naive to assume that Real will play defensively in this pair and will give PSG a lot of chances to score.

Why it is naive? It is my prediction, I consider how Real Madrid should deal with PSG strikers. I think Real Madrid coach may consider about this. Focusing in defending doesn't mean Real Madrid stop attacking and has no intention to control the match. What I mean, those defenders must be more discipline and more strict to keep PSG strikers. You are misunderstood, I never state that Real Madrid players to let PSG players be easier in attacking.

PSG is strong in names. But are names on the pitch that strong? Remind me of the game this season, when exactly did the strikers do something at the extra level and PSG beat a strong team?

Quote from: AndySt on December 19, 2021, 06:35:27 PM

By the way, maybe Mbappe's efforts alone may not be enough, but there are other good players in PSG whose efforts in total may be enough to win Wink

All we can do is wait to find out later which team was stronger. I think it will be Real. I hope no force majeure like coronavirus and injuries of individual players will prevent us from enjoying this confrontation.

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Quote from: püsür on December 17, 2021, 02:41:42 PM

Quote from: poldanmig on December 17, 2021, 11:34:55 AM

Quote from: emrecemsan on December 16, 2021, 07:41:38 PM

There are still months to go for the last 16 matchups to be played in the Champions League. And the covid-19 situation is getting heavier in Europe now. Therefore, I think that it is really difficult to comment on the matches. For example, Virgil van Dijk, Fabinho and Curtis Jones tested positive for covid-19 at Liverpool today and they couldn't play in the Newcastle match.

If the corona virus is spreading now, of course it is not impossible that uefa will stop the champions league competition for a while, several clubs in europe have confirmed that many of their players have contracted the corona virus and make them have to postpone the current match in the league domestic and European competitions.

The situation, hopefully, will not be that bad. The winter of course might be very hard, considering the relatively high number of cases, but I cannot imagine we will go back to quarantine times like 2020. At least there should be CL and UEFA league games without the crowd. Just personally, I cannot bear to live without these normal things we took for granted.

I think that it is normal to see the seriousness of covid-19 increasing in winter. Because the coronavirus gets stronger in the months of this season and spreads at a faster speed among so many people. But as there are still two months for the next stage of the European tournaments, I hope to see a better condition for all of these tournaments. I think that the situation will be highly under control and the games will be able to be underway without postponements.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on December 17, 2021, 05:38:50 PM

Quote from: püsür on December 17, 2021, 02:41:42 PM

At least there should be CL and UEFA league games without the crowd.

The problem is many players got infected by the Covid. It harms the clubs who lose a lot of players, especially losing their key players because they must be quarantined. It is surely not as simple as we think, Covid transmission is just starting and looks to increase quickly. The best option is absolutely to stop CL, UEFA, and also local league competitions. Even with no crowd, cannot solve the problem because the real problem comes from many aspects.

I understand your point but if we consider everywhere covid can spread from person to person, football and other sports are not in the top of that list. I wish we could come up with a better solution than stopping CL, UEFA and other leagues and tournaments.

I also think it is obvious that there is a vaccination problem everywhere, including athletes. I acknowledge the freedom aspect but just get the damn vaccine and be done with it:
https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/premier-league-has-most-unvaccinated-players-in-europes-top-leagues
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/18/covid-chaos-leads-jurgen-klopp-demand-action-anti-vaxx-players-liverpool

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PSG - Real Madrid. What a matchup it is! PSG are seen as the favourite side by most people. However, they don't have a comfortable work to do here. Real Madrid have been showing an incredible performance so far in most of their games. As long as they keep their effort level, PSG would have a really hard time beating them. They had better get an advantageous result in the first leg. Otherwise, Real Madrid can have a big opportunity to advance.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on December 20, 2021, 12:13:13 AM

Quote from: mv1986 on December 19, 2021, 04:58:29 PM

Well in the Champions League he has scored a couple of goals so far. In Ligue 1 it's definitely not going well for him. If I were Pochettino I would also leave Ramons on the bench. He doesn't seem to be at top level anymore. Way too bus with things that happen outside the pitch. Crazy that PSG decided to pay him such a high salary although they knew that Ramos is frequently injured and misses most of the games these days.

From my point of view PSG signed Ramos so as to add his wealth of experience into club defence, UCL trophy is the main target for PSG in order to win that coveted trophy they need to improve on their defence line and with the signing of Ramos that area of the team would have been taken care of, it is not compulsory Pochetino plays Ramos in every league-1 matches, which I agreed with you, of course PSG has dominance in that league but their main objective and aim is winning UCL this season thus has to fix their team in every department once they achieve that they might sell him.

this is indeed quite good, but on the other hand by making him linger on the bench it will actually affect his performance because even though he is a great defender but when he is not played for a long time it can actually interfere with his performance because he has to adapt to the field .
If you look at it from this angle, Poche should be able to act more wisely

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Quote from: mv1986 on December 19, 2021, 04:58:29 PM

Well in the Champions League he has scored a couple of goals so far. In Ligue 1 it's definitely not going well for him. If I were Pochettino I would also leave Ramons on the bench. He doesn't seem to be at top level anymore. Way too bus with things that happen outside the pitch. Crazy that PSG decided to pay him such a high salary although they knew that Ramos is frequently injured and misses most of the games these days.

From my point of view PSG signed Ramos so as to add his wealth of experience into club defence, UCL trophy is the main target for PSG in order to win that coveted trophy they need to improve on their defence line and with the signing of Ramos that area of the team would have been taken care of, it is not compulsory Pochetino plays Ramos in every league-1 matches, which I agreed with you, of course PSG has dominance in that league but their main objective and aim is winning UCL this season thus has to fix their team in every department once they achieve that they might sell him.

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Quote from: mv1986 on December 19, 2021, 04:58:29 PM

Quote from: Furious 7 on December 19, 2021, 03:29:51 PM

Pochettino doesn't really care about Sergio Ramos being a regular player so he is mostly on the bench why so look at the other defenders who are still solid at their best, so Pochettino prefers another defender over Ramos to start.
Messi is still only able to process the ball to continue to supply to Mbappe and his finishing is good enough for Mbappe for Messi is still a little unlucky in terms of scoring goals.
Otherwise just one goal with 1/2 season in league 1.

Well in the Champions League he has scored a couple of goals so far. In Ligue 1 it's definitely not going well for him. If I were Pochettino I would also leave Ramons on the bench. He doesn't seem to be at top level anymore. Way too bus with things that happen outside the pitch. Crazy that PSG decided to pay him such a high salary although they knew that Ramos is frequently injured and misses most of the games these days.

There is no doubt he was very good player and have very good career as professional footballer specially he was very good at Real Madrid and now here at PSG because of his quality but sadly recently he is facing some serious injuries just because of this not able to play PSG is paying him because he is in contract with them for this all as this contract is going to end surely they are going to leave him which is very simple, but one thing is sure they have to pay him until this contact is going to end even it's very high fees.

But, the good thing with PSG and Pochettino is that they have some good and reliable substitutes, so they are using them for their good game.

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