UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 605.

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Quote from: Slow death on October 20, 2021, 05:37:03 AM

this disparity in odds is very strange, atalanta is a strong team and manchester united is a weak team, but why they giving all that advantage to manchester united? are Oddsmaker underestimating the atalanta? I'm thinking about betting on atalanta

I disagree. I would say that in general or historically Manchester United is an absolute top tier Team while Atlanta Bergamo played hardly any role in the european championships. It is true though that recently Atlanta was showing some very convincing performances in the italian Serie a and also in the Champions League while Manchester United had a pretty rouge start into this season. Still Manchester United should be the favorite here. Just look at the market value of the squads.

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Champions League Results Today:

FULL TIME :

Club Brugge 1 vs 5 Manchester City

Besiktas 1 vs 4 Sporting Lisbon

PSG 3 vs 2 RB Leipzig

Atletico Madrid 2 vs 3 Liverpool

FC Porto 1 vs 0 AC Milan

Ajax 4 vs 0 Borussia Dortmund

Inter Milan 3 vs 1 FC Sherif

Shakhtar Donetsk 0 vs 5 Real Madrid

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Almost all the matches went as I expected, especially producing high goal margins.

I think there have been a few surprises. The biggest surprise was certainly Ajax's big win over Dortmund. Could just as well have gone the other way, after Dortmund has played very well lately. But it is the old problem of Dortmund: the continuity. Sometimes they play world-class against top teams, and the next time they play weak against a second-class team.
I was also surprised by Real's big win and Porto's win over Milan and the problems a top-set PSG team had against an injury-weak Leipzig team.

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Quote from: Slow death on October 20, 2021, 05:37:03 AM

this disparity in odds is very strange, atalanta is a strong team and manchester united is a weak team, but why they giving all that advantage to manchester united? are Oddsmaker underestimating the atalanta? I'm thinking about betting on atalanta

I think Manchester United will playing hard on this match because only winning match could make guarantee position for Ole, if loss again just waiting with Zidane or Conte become new manager for Manchester United. Many issues about Ole will departed from his position if loss in this match and he got many warning before and against with Atlanta as his proof about he is right men as Manchester United position although four years without one trophy giving for Manchester United.

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this disparity in odds is very strange, atalanta is a strong team and manchester united is a weak team, but why they giving all that advantage to manchester united? are Oddsmaker underestimating the atalanta? I'm thinking about betting on atalanta

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Quote from: Minor Miner on October 20, 2021, 05:04:47 AM

Manchester United's performance in the last few matches is very unstable. They are not performing well. Ronaldo is not playing well. At the same time their strong midfield lineup completely failed. Manchester United has conceded four goals against Leicester. Their defense is still unstable. In that case, it will be very difficult to win against an experienced team like Atalanta. If Ronaldo can score two goals today, Manchester United will win, otherwise they will lose today's match as usual.

It is true that Manchester United last few matches are not making any good sense because the Manchester United are not playing as their fans wanted them to. But Champions League can be of a surprise and this is just the group stage, I am not bothered with today's game because Man United will find a way to enter the round of 16 which is where I fear more and also as the game continues, as the matches will become more difficult, I do not think Man United will go far if no changes about the club.

About today match in Old Trafford, Atlanta is not that good in home matches so far, but away matches is what they do not joke with at all, but in Seria A. Let us see what will happen, but likely it will be a tough game for Man United.

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The match against Atalanta is a very important match for Manchester United, which is currently in decline in its performance in recent weeks, although Manchester United have a fairly capable squad at the moment, they are not able to play consistently and often make fatal mistakes that result in defeat and coupled with Solskjaer lack of reliability in concocting tactical strategies so that variations in play made Manchester United worse off.
The manchester united Vs Atalanta match is very worth watching and I want to see ronaldo experience in the champions league whether it will really motivate other manchester united players to win against atlanta, moreover I see ronaldo is very excited to welcome the match against atlatanta on his instagram story.

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Quote from: dwminer1 on October 20, 2021, 04:18:42 AM

Theoretically, the most difficult task has Manchester United, which hosts the unpredictable Atalanta, but I believe that the Red Devils will beat their rival.

Manchester United's performance in the last few matches is very unstable. They are not performing well. Ronaldo is not playing well. At the same time their strong midfield lineup completely failed. Manchester United has conceded four goals against Leicester. Their defense is still unstable. In that case, it will be very difficult to win against an experienced team like Atalanta. If Ronaldo can score two goals today, Manchester United will win, otherwise they will lose today's match as usual.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 20, 2021, 01:15:08 AM

Manchester United will face Atalanta. Even though Man United is playing at home, there is no guarantee that they will be able to beat Atalanta because Man United is in bad shape. Since losing to Young Boys, Man United's performances have been erratic and obviously, this is a problem.

Actually Man United has good players, it's just that they haven't been able to play solidly and their defense looks so fragile. If there is no improvement in performance, then Man United will have a hard time beating Atalanta.

Placing a bet on Manchester united to win is the most riskiest bet anyone will engage in this season. No I'm not doubting the fact that united has a very good squad but their key problem is coaching and team management. The only ground by which united would secure their win against Atlanta is only if Ole goes on a compulsory leave ahead of the match which is impossible.

Even if it sounds odd, I totally agree with you. Man Utd obviously has issues not only on the pitch but on their bench as well. Ole isn't the proper manager for this Man Utd team and if the management continues to support him (for some reason which I can't "understand"), Man Utd's problems will continue and will become bigger as the time passes. OFC they have a very good team but they don't have an equal manager. Maybe they wait for the upcoming transfer period to hire a new manager but until then, the damage will have been done.

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It definitely looks like Milan goes out and most can hope for is Europa, unless they win all their remaining games and Liverpool win their next (except against Milan).

I think this is the first time that AC Milan has lost the first three matches in the group stage of the Champions League. Maybe maybe they have not adapted to the uefa Champions league football yet after they have been off for many years now. It’s a bit surprising that they are unbeaten in the Serie A and AC Milan can't find a way to win in the Champions League, or even grab a point after three games. Maybe they’re wanted yo turn things around against Porto but they were without many of the first team players like the goalkeeper, Mike Maignan, suspended Kessie, Ante Rebic and Theo Hernandez, who tested positive for Covid. It’s just not right that a club that was dominant in the competition is now struggling to get a point in three games.

I don't know the stats but yeah, what a harsh way to come back into the Champions League after so long missing. Back when Milan and Liverpool were the 2 giants getting to UCL finals, no one ever saw either one would miss out so many years in a stretch. Liverpool came back and bossed the others so well, Milan are struggling but no one will blame them for failing in the first attempt. It's never easy to come back to elite competition. Would love to see them in there though instead of Porto.

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A great Liverpool performance yesterday - although Griezmann's red card helped them to take the game under control. Atletico showed once again that you cannot relax against them, they will use whatever opportunities you give them. Still, scoring 3 goals against them is really hard to do - Liverpool attack is really on fire recently.

Atletico Madrid has struggled quite optimally in that match, even though they were 2-0 down but they were able to rise to level the score, but unfortunately the red card received by Griezman, made Liverpool even more daring to press the Atletico Madrid defense, even though they played with 10 people Liverpool were very difficult to beat Athletico in that match, but Liverpool were lucky enough to get a penalty, which made them more confident because they were in win condition.

The first half of the match ended in a very competitive match but getting a red card from Griezmann in the second half was the turning point of the match. A completely unexpected event. Yet Atletico Madrid had a chance to draw the match. However I lost the bet in this match. I didn't think Atletico Madrid would lose the home match against Liverpool. Because Atletico Madrid's performance in the last match against Liverpool was very good.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on October 20, 2021, 01:15:08 AM

Manchester United will face Atalanta. Even though Man United is playing at home, there is no guarantee that they will be able to beat Atalanta because Man United is in bad shape. Since losing to Young Boys, Man United's performances have been erratic and obviously, this is a problem.

Actually Man United has good players, it's just that they haven't been able to play solidly and their defense looks so fragile. If there is no improvement in performance, then Man United will have a hard time beating Atalanta.

Placing a bet on Manchester united to win is the most riskiest bet anyone will engage in this season. No I'm not doubting the fact that united has a very good squad but their key problem is coaching and team management. The only ground by which united would secure their win against Atlanta is only if Ole goes on a compulsory leave ahead of the match which is impossible.

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In today's matches I bet on the victories of Bayern Munich, Juventus and Manchester United. Bayern, apart from the setback with Eintracht, has recently simply been destroying all its rivals, both in the Bundesliga and the Champions League. Juventus will be competing with Chelsea for the first place in the group so they have to win against weaker rivals. Theoretically, the most difficult task has Manchester United, which hosts the unpredictable Atalanta, but I believe that the Red Devils will beat their rival.

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Quote from: hahay on October 20, 2021, 03:32:44 AM

should have been a team-mate to give Messi a chance to make a hat-trick but yes, maybe it is a form of respect among the team.

I think it's respect, yes. Mbappe has explained what happened:

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After the match, Mbappe revealed the reasoning behind their unexpected sharing of penalties.
"[On the penalties] It's normal [that I let Messi take the first], it's about respect," the PSG No. 7 told Canal+.
"He's the best player in the world, it's a privilege that he plays with us, I've always said it.
"If there's a penalty, he's the one that takes it, full stop. On the second one, he told me 'Take it', it was at the end, he gave it to me and I took it."

Mbappe won the first penalty, and gave it to Messi to take... Probably Messi felt grateful, and then with the second penalty, in injury time, with the match already won, Messi returned the favour.

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Another day with plenty of interesting matches! Immediately considering a good bet on Juventus' win against Zenit... I don't know why the bookmakers give such great odds, but I think I can take advantage of it today!
Also a very interesting match in Group E - Benfica vs Bayern... Both teams haven't missed a goal yet... I would like Benfica to win! Cheesy

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Quote from: Cnut237 on October 20, 2021, 02:34:28 AM

Quote from: FlamingFingers on October 20, 2021, 01:55:25 AM

Last night ucl match was much more interesting, Dortmund with a suprise of not scoring a goal and conceding 4goals, Psg with a solid comeback, Lionel Messi and Mbappe combination was brilliant, Messi deliberately leaving the second penalty for Mbappe to take, and not wanting to score his first hat trick for Psg, wanting to show Neymar that's he Neymar not entitled to the pk alone lol,, quite interesting to see Leo at what's he's doing best

I'm happy for Messi, and glad he scored a couple. Shame he didn't try for the hat-trick with the second penalty!

Yes the Dortmund result was a big surprise for me. I certainly didn't expect them to get hammered 4-0. They are a good side. But I think they will still qualify from the group stage, even if they end up finishing second.

Well it's a shame, Messi should be ambitious to make a hat-trick because even if it fails, the final result will still be the same for PSG's victory. That is, their position has won which should have been a team-mate to give Messi a chance to make a hat-trick but yes, maybe it is a form of respect among the team. As for Dortmund, I agree they will still qualify for the knockout stages but speaking of a 4-0 loss I just realized that, Lol. I bet on over 2.5 goals in this match so I don't really pay attention to the score, this big defeat is definitely a big blow for Dortmund which should be a big concern to quickly restore player morale for the next match.

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Who shocked me today is Borussia, Ajax is a strong team, but losing 4-0 to it is surprising, to put it mildly. I have not watched the game, but I see that according to statistics, Ajax deserved this victory (possibly with a smaller score)

This is Champion's League, Not some away game in Bundesliga Grin

Ajax being at home, I was not surprised by the Borussia Dortmund loss.

I didn't follow that game and just saw the score after the end and I assure you that I double checked it before realising that Dortmund is the one that got knocked by 4 goals and not Ajax! And honestly I don't think that I am the only one doing it Wink

So far this is the most surprising result tonight. Even Milan defeat vs Porto wasn't surprising regarding the poor performance of Milan in CL. Otherwise big scores +4 goals in almost all games except Milan's one.

Few of the fans could have guessed that after 3 matches, Ajax would have 9 points with a goal difference of 11-1. It seems that it has already secured an exit to the next round from the first place. As for Borussia, despite such a local catastrophe, its position is quite good in order to take second place in the group. It is unlikely that Sporting will be able to prevent this.

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Quote from: poldanmig on October 19, 2021, 03:14:00 PM

Champions League Results Today:

FULL TIME :

Club Brugge 1 vs 5 Manchester City

Besiktas 1 vs 4 Sporting Lisbon

PSG 3 vs 2 RB Leipzig

Atletico Madrid 2 vs 3 Liverpool

FC Porto 1 vs 0 AC Milan

Ajax 4 vs 0 Borussia Dortmund

Inter Milan 3 vs 1 FC Sherif

Shakhtar Donetsk 0 vs 5 Real Madrid

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Almost all the matches went as I expected, especially producing high goal margins.
Club Brugge vs Manchester City was actually not a single surprise to me.
I knew Liverpool will win, but I expected a lesser goal margin but it turned the other way round.
PSG score was cool.
Sheriff I expected to replicate their wonders, or will this be the end of their shine?
Ajax vs Dortmund shocked me to my marrows. I least expected that result. Who will believe that Dortmund will go 90mins without a single goal against Ajax?
Every champions league match day comes with surprises.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 19, 2021, 09:48:35 PM

A great Liverpool performance yesterday - although Griezmann's red card helped them to take the game under control. Atletico showed once again that you cannot relax against them, they will use whatever opportunities you give them. Still, scoring 3 goals against them is really hard to do - Liverpool attack is really on fire recently.

Atletico Madrid has struggled quite optimally in that match, even though they were 2-0 down but they were able to rise to level the score, but unfortunately the red card received by Griezman, made Liverpool even more daring to press the Atletico Madrid defense, even though they played with 10 people Liverpool were very difficult to beat Athletico in that match, but Liverpool were lucky enough to get a penalty, which made them more confident because they were in win condition.

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Quote from: FlamingFingers on October 20, 2021, 01:55:25 AM

Last night ucl match was much more interesting, Dortmund with a suprise of not scoring a goal and conceding 4goals, Psg with a solid comeback, Lionel Messi and Mbappe combination was brilliant, Messi deliberately leaving the second penalty for Mbappe to take, and not wanting to score his first hat trick for Psg, wanting to show Neymar that's he Neymar not entitled to the pk alone lol,, quite interesting to see Leo at what's he's doing best

I'm happy for Messi, and glad he scored a couple. Shame he didn't try for the hat-trick with the second penalty!

Yes the Dortmund result was a big surprise for me. I certainly didn't expect them to get hammered 4-0. They are a good side. But I think they will still qualify from the group stage, even if they end up finishing second.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 20, 2021, 02:04:26 AM

I wonder if anyone knows what the odds were for over 4.5 goals. Sportsbet had a special for something like over 1.5 goals each and over 19.5 booking points each, and over 1.5 corners each, which for sure never in my mind I would ever take but who on earth could see this result coming right guys?

It definitely looks like Milan goes out and most can hope for is Europa, unless they win all their remaining games and Liverpool win their next (except against Milan).

I think this is the first time that AC Milan has lost the first three matches in the group stage of the Champions League. Maybe maybe they have not adapted to the uefa Champions league football yet after they have been off for many years now. It’s a bit surprising that they are unbeaten in the Serie A and AC Milan can't find a way to win in the Champions League, or even grab a point after three games. Maybe they’re wanted yo turn things around against Porto but they were without many of the first team players like the goalkeeper, Mike Maignan, suspended Kessie, Ante Rebic and Theo Hernandez, who tested positive for Covid. It’s just not right that a club that was dominant in the competition is now struggling to get a point in three games.

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