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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 30, 2023, 03:49:34 AM

Quote from: snipie on November 30, 2023, 01:54:13 AM

Germany has seen its best players retiring too and the new generation needs a bit of time to be able to compete with the other nations. Same goes for Italy and Spain. The only difference is that Spain was able to recover its form fast while Italy and Germany need more time. The regeneration phase is longer in these nations.
Belgium was classed first mainly because of the players they had but they weren't so impressive in picking a World Cup for example. For Greece, like any other country, they got a shot and were successful but it was just a shot. It is like Porto winning Champions League with Mourinho long time ago.

Players come and go all the time. France recovered pretty well from the retirement of Thierry Henry, Nicolas Anelka and Franck Ribéry. The same can be said about England after the departure of Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Wayne Rooney. The problem with Germany is that they don't have younger players coming through the ranks. The quality of the national league (Bundesliga) is declining and that maybe one of the reasons. We can't also ignore the demographics. Germany is a rapidly ageing country.

@Sithara007 France was blessed with many talented player’s and they had enough luck to help them achieve their goals but Italy surprisingly lost the plot. Lastly England was always favoured to do well because of premier league rules to keep local player’s in the squad and many even attracted outside leagues attention and further grew themselves which is helping England now e.g. Jude.

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Quote from: snipie on November 30, 2023, 01:54:13 AM

Germany has seen its best players retiring too and the new generation needs a bit of time to be able to compete with the other nations. Same goes for Italy and Spain. The only difference is that Spain was able to recover its form fast while Italy and Germany need more time. The regeneration phase is longer in these nations.
Belgium was classed first mainly because of the players they had but they weren't so impressive in picking a World Cup for example. For Greece, like any other country, they got a shot and were successful but it was just a shot. It is like Porto winning Champions League with Mourinho long time ago.

Players come and go all the time. France recovered pretty well from the retirement of Thierry Henry, Nicolas Anelka and Franck Ribéry. The same can be said about England after the departure of Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Wayne Rooney. The problem with Germany is that they don't have younger players coming through the ranks. The quality of the national league (Bundesliga) is declining and that maybe one of the reasons. We can't also ignore the demographics. Germany is a rapidly ageing country.

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Belgium really couldn't take advantage of a golden generation so far. They literally have only one achievement in their history which is an Olympic championship in 1920. This team have a much bigger potential normally. Especially in Euro rather than World Cup they can be more successful. It isn't impossible for them to win a title despite the existence of very challenging opponents. They just need a good system and management.

However we just can't see these needed elements for a long time. By the way the tension among the players must also have been a hindrance for them once. Because it was like every player had a fight with someone in the squad before.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 29, 2023, 05:01:41 PM

Even the Greek national team won the Euro (or in the past you can remember Denmark), has Germany really become weaker than such tenacious but average teams? I doubt it. Belgium had a whole golden generation (which is about to end or has already ended, according to the KDB), but they did not win anything at all. A lot is decided by randomness and if tomorrow Germany wins gold they will begin to praise it to the skies even though it will be the same team as today.

Not an apple-to-apple comparison. Greece might have win the Euro Cup in the past. But they never managed to get to the top-5 list in FIFA rankings. The peak they reached was when they were ranked #8 in 2008. On the other hand, Germany was always regarded as one of the powerhouses in football along with England and France in Europe. Even as late as 2018, they were the no.1 ranked team as per FIFA. From that position, their rapid downfall has been nothing short of unbelievable. And currently they are not even in top-10 (current rank is #16 as per FIFA).

Germany has seen its best players retiring too and the new generation needs a bit of time to be able to compete with the other nations. Same goes for Italy and Spain. The only difference is that Spain was able to recover its form fast while Italy and Germany need more time. The regeneration phase is longer in these nations.
Belgium was classed first mainly because of the players they had but they weren't so impressive in picking a World Cup for example. For Greece, like any other country, they got a shot and were successful but it was just a shot. It is like Porto winning Champions League with Mourinho long time ago.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 29, 2023, 05:01:41 PM

Even the Greek national team won the Euro (or in the past you can remember Denmark), has Germany really become weaker than such tenacious but average teams? I doubt it. Belgium had a whole golden generation (which is about to end or has already ended, according to the KDB), but they did not win anything at all. A lot is decided by randomness and if tomorrow Germany wins gold they will begin to praise it to the skies even though it will be the same team as today.

Not an apple-to-apple comparison. Greece might have win the Euro Cup in the past. But they never managed to get to the top-5 list in FIFA rankings. The peak they reached was when they were ranked #8 in 2008. On the other hand, Germany was always regarded as one of the powerhouses in football along with England and France in Europe. Even as late as 2018, they were the no.1 ranked team as per FIFA. From that position, their rapid downfall has been nothing short of unbelievable. And currently they are not even in top-10 (current rank is #16 as per FIFA).

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Quote from: Ayers on November 29, 2023, 01:12:33 PM

Lukaku is definitely very underrated when it comes to international competitions. I think sometimes teams forget that he was a very good striker, even a few years ago, actually one of the best strikers a few years ago and now he is still capable of performing really well. Probably because of his past few seasons, are really underwhelming, people do not give him the importance that he needs. And at the same time, he also takes advantage of that properly. I think he alongside his team is going to perform well in this competition. But they will also have to understand that the competition is only going to get harder.

One word for Lukakau "amazing", success become top scorer in Euro qualifier after scoring 14 goals and have 4 goals more from Cristiano Ronaldo scored 10 goals. I think he will be candidate top scorer on Euro 2024 but need waiting for when drawing group begin to see how potential for Lukaku scoring as many possibility goals. Impressive performance from Lukaku not only with his national team Belgium but also he has quit well performance with AS Roma. I hope until the end this season he not get injury with his club and keep impressive performance until playing for Belgium on Euro 2024.

I doubt with Belgium will get good result regarding last several edition failed to final stage, I hope in this Euro edition Belgium can lead until semifinal stage and chance the tradition with top European teams such as France, Italy, England or Germany on semifinal or final stage.

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I'm not at all confident that Poland will win (although they might be favorites on paper), Santos has lost his luck. As for the details about the tournament of losers, it’s better to look at the wiki, when I figured it out I got a headache.

Isn't it clear that looking at the history of their previous meetings, Poland has always managed to beat Wales.
But no one knows what the future will be like. Talking about Poland and your words about Santos losing luck made me suddenly remember how Fernando Santos failed with Poland and he was the only person to blame.
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If history played on the field, we would know the results of many games/tournaments in advance and would never have seen the rise of such teams as Greece, etc. I'm really not sure about Poland although they are the favourites.
As for Santos’s failures, perhaps you didn’t mean Poland, but Portugal? Well, basically, who else could be blamed for ruining relationships within the team (without achieving results)?

Indeed, when we look at history there will be quite lot of matches where perhaps we will also know how these teams developed in the past.
But Poland is really the favorite and they managed to get win in their last match against Latvia, after all there is Lewandowski who can always give his best performance for Poland.

No, not Portugal but indeed about Poland because with Portugal he managed to become quite great coach and really worked for long time, namely 8 years.
Together with Poland, who led 6 matches and only got 3 wins, this meant that Poland could only occupy 4th place in Group E qualifying for Euro 2024.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 29, 2023, 11:26:27 AM

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Germany's results at the last major tournaments look terrible, primarily because the bar for expectations from them is very high. Yes, they are not the same as they were before, but they are definitely in the top group. By the way, any team from the top group can fail - for example, France, being world champions, could not beat Switzerland in the 1/8 at Euro 2020 and dropped out of the tournament.

As for strength, here are the official games in the League of Nations: Germany has only one defeat in the group with Italy and England (from Hungary haha). Considering that England are now among the favorites in every tournament, this is significant.

The Germany that we used to love, the current Germany is not the same anymore. Yes, there are a few players who are really good in the squad. But that is not going to be enough for any team to win a major trophy. And obviously, the current Germany team has some problems. To put it simply, the team is just not working. And the performance of the Germany team has definitely not been up to the mark. That's even if we do not count the friendly matches.

Even the Greek national team won the Euro (or in the past you can remember Denmark), has Germany really become weaker than such tenacious but average teams? I doubt it. Belgium had a whole golden generation (which is about to end or has already ended, according to the KDB), but they did not win anything at all. A lot is decided by randomness and if tomorrow Germany wins gold they will begin to praise it to the skies even though it will be the same team as today.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 29, 2023, 11:26:43 AM

I'm wondering what Belgium will do in Euro 2024. In the qualifiers stage their group was too easy and they showed it by their high level performance as well. They completed this stage by only a loss of 2 points.

Lukaku shined in this stage by incredible amount of goals. He has nearly 2.00 goal average per match. This is very impressive because we don't see the same kind of performance from him at Roma. This huge productivity would be expected in Euro 2024 as well. If he keeps this level there as well Belgium can really be one of top contenders. De Bruyne's returnal can also play a crucial role.

Lukaku is definitely very underrated when it comes to international competitions. I think sometimes teams forget that he was a very good striker, even a few years ago, actually one of the best strikers a few years ago and now he is still capable of performing really well. Probably because of his past few seasons, are really underwhelming, people do not give him the importance that he needs. And at the same time, he also takes advantage of that properly. I think he alongside his team is going to perform well in this competition. But they will also have to understand that the competition is only going to get harder.

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I'm wondering what Belgium will do in Euro 2024. In the qualifiers stage their group was too easy and they showed it by their high level performance as well. They completed this stage by only a loss of 2 points.

Lukaku shined in this stage by incredible amount of goals. He has nearly 2.00 goal average per match. This is very impressive because we don't see the same kind of performance from him at Roma. This huge productivity would be expected in Euro 2024 as well. If he keeps this level there as well Belgium can really be one of top contenders. De Bruyne's returnal can also play a crucial role.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 28, 2023, 04:55:13 PM

Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 27, 2023, 02:24:06 PM

No, I'm not joking at all. Grin

You must have seen Germany struggling for a long time. They were below the expectations in the last World Cup first of all. They have played so many friendlies after that and the overall look is just horrible honestly. Maybe you might say that friendlies doesn't show the real strength of teams.

However their World Cup performance wasn't good either like I said. As for the easiness of Euro 2024 qualifiers groups it is mostly really easy for the favourites like you said.

However if Germany were in one of the tougher groups I would doubt their direct qualification a lot. For example if Germany were in Group C instead of Italy then I think they could have finished in 3rd place. Because I think that Italy are performing better than Germany now.

Germany's results at the last major tournaments look terrible, primarily because the bar for expectations from them is very high. Yes, they are not the same as they were before, but they are definitely in the top group. By the way, any team from the top group can fail - for example, France, being world champions, could not beat Switzerland in the 1/8 at Euro 2020 and dropped out of the tournament.

As for strength, here are the official games in the League of Nations: Germany has only one defeat in the group with Italy and England (from Hungary haha). Considering that England are now among the favorites in every tournament, this is significant.

The Germany that we used to love, the current Germany is not the same anymore. Yes, there are a few players who are really good in the squad. But that is not going to be enough for any team to win a major trophy. And obviously, the current Germany team has some problems. To put it simply, the team is just not working. And the performance of the Germany team has definitely not been up to the mark. That's even if we do not count the friendly matches.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 27, 2023, 02:24:06 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 27, 2023, 07:06:18 AM

Are you joking? Almost all groups of the qualifying tournament were easy for the favorites, and Germany, with a draw, would have been in the first pot 100%, so there was simply no chance of getting into a difficult group. Even if Germany ended up in a group like B or C, it would be a question of “first or second place,” but not a question of whether Germany could qualify.

No, I'm not joking at all. Grin

You must have seen Germany struggling for a long time. They were below the expectations in the last World Cup first of all. They have played so many friendlies after that and the overall look is just horrible honestly. Maybe you might say that friendlies doesn't show the real strength of teams.

However their World Cup performance wasn't good either like I said. As for the easiness of Euro 2024 qualifiers groups it is mostly really easy for the favourites like you said.

However if Germany were in one of the tougher groups I would doubt their direct qualification a lot. For example if Germany were in Group C instead of Italy then I think they could have finished in 3rd place. Because I think that Italy are performing better than Germany now.

Germany's results at the last major tournaments look terrible, primarily because the bar for expectations from them is very high. Yes, they are not the same as they were before, but they are definitely in the top group. By the way, any team from the top group can fail - for example, France, being world champions, could not beat Switzerland in the 1/8 at Euro 2020 and dropped out of the tournament.

As for strength, here are the official games in the League of Nations: Germany has only one defeat in the group with Italy and England (from Hungary haha). Considering that England are now among the favorites in every tournament, this is significant.

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Quote from: Belarge on November 27, 2023, 06:57:37 PM

The team's mentioned above are favorites but I'm sticking with Portugal because I'm acquainted with the team's pattern of game, their style is exceptionally different from the rest. Portugal remain the only team that happens to be my favorite when it comes to game pattern during international major tournaments. They have all the high quality players anyone could think of and sometimes I wonder how they don't go far when it comes to major tournaments. Imagine a team that has Cristiano Ronaldo in the frontline and Bruno Fernandes in the midfield, we expects the firing squad to win any game without having to experience any difficulties.

Portugal is still dependent to a great degree on Cristiano Ronaldo. If he is not playing, they struggle to win against even second tier teams. And we saw this during the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Qatar. Portugal do have some promising young players. But they are inconsistent and crack under pressure. My guess is that they will not be ready by the time of the 2024 Euro Cup, although 2026 FIFA World Cup looks like a fair target. And now Ronaldo's fitness comes in to question. He looks 100% fit now, but let's not forget the fact that he is 38 years old. Given all this, I would not consider Portugal as one of the favorites.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 27, 2023, 10:55:13 AM

If history played on the field, we would know the results of many games/tournaments in advance and would never have seen the rise of such teams as Greece, etc. I'm really not sure about Poland although they are the favourites.
As for Santos’s failures, perhaps you didn’t mean Poland, but Portugal? Well, basically, who else could be blamed for ruining relationships within the team (without achieving results)?

The team's mentioned above are favorites but I'm sticking with Portugal because I'm acquainted with the team's pattern of game, their style is exceptionally different from the rest. Portugal remain the only team that happens to be my favorite when it comes to game pattern during international major tournaments. They have all the high quality players anyone could think of and sometimes I wonder how they don't go far when it comes to major tournaments. Imagine a team that has Cristiano Ronaldo in the frontline and Bruno Fernandes in the midfield, we expects the firing squad to win any game without having to experience any difficulties.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 27, 2023, 07:06:18 AM

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Germany are really lucky about being the hosting country for Euro 2024 honestly. Otherwise I would doubt their qualification for Euro 2024 quite much. They would have probably had big problems on qualifying for it directly and move on with the playoff round instead. Even in the playoffs their situation would be open for a surprise.

Because I liken their current condition to Italy in the latest World Cup qualifiers. You know how bad Italy's journey there finished.

The same thing might have happened to Germany also here. Because Germany are still far away from their good old days.

Are you joking? Almost all groups of the qualifying tournament were easy for the favorites, and Germany, with a draw, would have been in the first pot 100%, so there was simply no chance of getting into a difficult group. Even if Germany ended up in a group like B or C, it would be a question of “first or second place,” but not a question of whether Germany could qualify.

No, I'm not joking at all. Grin

You must have seen Germany struggling for a long time. They were below the expectations in the last World Cup first of all. They have played so many friendlies after that and the overall look is just horrible honestly. Maybe you might say that friendlies doesn't show the real strength of teams.

However their World Cup performance wasn't good either like I said. As for the easiness of Euro 2024 qualifiers groups it is mostly really easy for the favourites like you said.

However if Germany were in one of the tougher groups I would doubt their direct qualification a lot. For example if Germany were in Group C instead of Italy then I think they could have finished in 3rd place. Because I think that Italy are performing better than Germany now.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 08:57:09 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 26, 2023, 10:02:34 AM

I'm not at all confident that Poland will win (although they might be favorites on paper), Santos has lost his luck. As for the details about the tournament of losers, it’s better to look at the wiki, when I figured it out I got a headache.

Isn't it clear that looking at the history of their previous meetings, Poland has always managed to beat Wales.
But no one knows what the future will be like. Talking about Poland and your words about Santos losing luck made me suddenly remember how Fernando Santos failed with Poland and he was the only person to blame.
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If history played on the field, we would know the results of many games/tournaments in advance and would never have seen the rise of such teams as Greece, etc. I'm really not sure about Poland although they are the favourites.
As for Santos’s failures, perhaps you didn’t mean Poland, but Portugal? Well, basically, who else could be blamed for ruining relationships within the team (without achieving results)?

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 26, 2023, 10:02:34 AM

Quote from: Rampagoe004 on November 26, 2023, 03:48:29 AM

If it was a Waled vs Poland match then I think it would be a win for Poland. To be honest, I don't understand this Losers Tournament because it's a little difficult for me to understand. But what I know is that this Losers Tournament is about bringing together the best 3 ranked teams and then selecting the 3 teams that will qualify? Correct me if I'm wrong because.

I'm not at all confident that Poland will win (although they might be favorites on paper), Santos has lost his luck. As for the details about the tournament of losers, it’s better to look at the wiki, when I figured it out I got a headache.

Isn't it clear that looking at the history of their previous meetings, Poland has always managed to beat Wales.
But no one knows what the future will be like. Talking about Poland and your words about Santos losing luck made me suddenly remember how Fernando Santos failed with Poland and he was the only person to blame.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on November 26, 2023, 04:05:13 AM

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No, FIFA rankings are not taken into account here at all. The only thing that matters is how successful a team is in the Nations League, and given the fact that in the Nations League most of the teams have already received a direct ticket, the algorithm becomes very confusing.

That true because the Euro is not like the World Cup which is influenced by FIFA rankings and indeed for the Euro one of thing that can determine whether get tickets to be able to take part in this competition is based on the results in the Nations League.
I don't know how this can happen, but looking at the results of the Nations League it will be much better because the FIFA rankings also cannot ensure that the teams that qualify are those who are truly worthy of each competition.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 26, 2023, 02:25:00 PM

Germany are really lucky about being the hosting country for Euro 2024 honestly. Otherwise I would doubt their qualification for Euro 2024 quite much. They would have probably had big problems on qualifying for it directly and move on with the playoff round instead. Even in the playoffs their situation would be open for a surprise.

Because I liken their current condition to Italy in the latest World Cup qualifiers. You know how bad Italy's journey there finished.

The same thing might have happened to Germany also here. Because Germany are still far away from their good old days.

Are you joking? Almost all groups of the qualifying tournament were easy for the favorites, and Germany, with a draw, would have been in the first pot 100%, so there was simply no chance of getting into a difficult group. Even if Germany ended up in a group like B or C, it would be a question of “first or second place,” but not a question of whether Germany could qualify.

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Germany are really lucky about being the hosting country for Euro 2024 honestly. Otherwise I would doubt their qualification for Euro 2024 quite much. They would have probably had big problems on qualifying for it directly and move on with the playoff round instead. Even in the playoffs their situation would be open for a surprise.

Because I liken their current condition to Italy in the latest World Cup qualifiers. You know how bad Italy's journey there finished.

The same thing might have happened to Germany also here. Because Germany are still far away from their good old days.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on November 26, 2023, 04:05:13 AM

I think this has happened because of the FIFA ranking. I think it is like if the team is not above a certain number of ranks, or probably it is because the team is actually behind, in terms of FIFA ranking, is the reason why, even though being above on the table, they have not been able to qualify. Something like that has happened if I am not wrong. That's why a lot of teams are actually getting second chances, even though they should not be qualifying. That's what I think, but of course, correct me if I am wrong.

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UEFA have smart ideas with their regulation for space left trough playoff round qualify to Euro 2024 with UEFA Nation League result achievement, have some tier or level with national teams who get good result on UEFA Nation League will get place trough playoff round to participant on Euro 2024 although they are on the bottom finish on qualifier round.
UEFA try to make national team excited for participating on UEFA Nation League, its benefit when have national teams who the tier level from this competition will get special result for participating on Euro 2024. I dislike with this ideas regarding many weakness national teams such as Estonia and Georgia have special thing trough UEFA Nation League achievement although their position not better in qualifying round.

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