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Quote from: jack05 on November 11, 2022, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: emrecemsan on November 11, 2022, 12:28:37 PM

I think we shouldn't be very negative about Juventus considering the Europa League. Because despite having many missing important players, they have started to perform really impressively in the Serie A. They are maintaining a winning streak of five matches there now. This is very important for the players to pull themselves together. It is important for Allegri also to keep his seat at the team. The result in the Champions League was horrible and there is only one way for him to redeem himself: doing a good job in the remaining big tournaments.

There is still a long time for their Europa League matches. Nantes aren't a strong team to beat for Juventus. I expect no surprises. Until then the injured players would hopefully be well too. They had better hope not to have more injured players after the World Cup.

You are right, Europa League matches are delayed. Juventus' injured players will be back in the squad by then and we will see something great. Hopefully after the World Cup the team players will return to great form.

Yes, many say that the absence of some of their star players is one of the reasons why his performances are declining now. Maybe I'd say it's true if it will affect their performance, but when it comes to the performance of the coach, it will be a question, why didn't he anticipate that and prepare players who are better equipped to fill the void in the line-up left by their important players. For a club as big as Juventus, things like this should no longer be heard as the reason for their decline in performance. After all, the coach is the one who chooses the players in the squad to navigate the tight competition this season.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:36 AM

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Quote from: giammangiato on November 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM

In the case of Juventus, I can say that historically they shouldn't have problems with opponents like Nante. The problem is the huge amount of injured people, really many.
Between the championship and the cups, it becomes difficult with the few players.
then if we had money, we could buy people, but we're short of that too.

There's still a long way to go and I think things like injured players are now completely resolved for Juventus although we don't know what will happen after this break but for sure looking at the condition of the Juventus players I think they will still be in good shape because they have overcome their players' injury problems and of course they have a great chance of winning.

There are great problems in the Juventus team at the moment. Juventus team is failing to show a very good performance. Although the team has good talented players but they fail to show their skills. I hope Juventus will be able to perform well after the World Cup.

Overall, Juventus' performance is still far from expected
Juventus' failure to advance to the round 16 of the Champions League become a valuable lesson for Massimiliano Allegri to increase his vigilance on this Europa League opportunity. Because of course it will not be easy for Juventus if we look back at some of the candidates who will rivalry such as Barcelona, Man United, Roma and several other clubs.
If Allergi doesn't make a strategy change soon, I'm afraid Juventus won't last long in the Europa League.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on November 11, 2022, 12:28:37 PM

I think we shouldn't be very negative about Juventus considering the Europa League. Because despite having many missing important players, they have started to perform really impressively in the Serie A. They are maintaining a winning streak of five matches there now. This is very important for the players to pull themselves together. It is important for Allegri also to keep his seat at the team. The result in the Champions League was horrible and there is only one way for him to redeem himself: doing a good job in the remaining big tournaments.

There is still a long time for their Europa League matches. Nantes aren't a strong team to beat for Juventus. I expect no surprises. Until then the injured players would hopefully be well too. They had better hope not to have more injured players after the World Cup.

You are right, Europa League matches are delayed. Juventus' injured players will be back in the squad by then and we will see something great. Hopefully after the World Cup the team players will return to great form.

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I think we shouldn't be very negative about Juventus considering the Europa League. Because despite having many missing important players, they have started to perform really impressively in the Serie A. They are maintaining a winning streak of five matches there now. This is very important for the players to pull themselves together. It is important for Allegri also to keep his seat at the team. The result in the Champions League was horrible and there is only one way for him to redeem himself: doing a good job in the remaining big tournaments.

There is still a long time for their Europa League matches. Nantes aren't a strong team to beat for Juventus. I expect no surprises. Until then the injured players would hopefully be well too. They had better hope not to have more injured players after the World Cup.

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Quote from: visionE2 on November 11, 2022, 11:19:21 AM

Quote from: keyscore44 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:36 AM

There are great problems in the Juventus team at the moment. Juventus team is failing to show a very good performance. Although the team has good talented players but they fail to show their skills. I hope Juventus will be able to perform well after the World Cup.

bad stars at UCL 22/23 juventus are indeed many young stars. juventus also has many injured players, so Juventus cannot improve their performance so that they drop down to the European league caste. But despite this, Allegri deserves to be sacked. I think that's a big problem for Juventus.

Until now the Juventus management still trusts Allegri as their coach, and it will be a tough decision to fire their coach. Especially now in Serie A Juventus are getting a positive trend by winning 5 consecutive matches and their ranking has risen to the top 4 in the standings table. In terms of the game, they play a game that is still far from being a promising game. But their positive results for 5 matches are another consideration in my opinion for management to trust Allegri to handle the Old Lady. That hope will always be there with what Juventus has achieved in Serie A lately.

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Quote from: visionE2 on November 11, 2022, 11:19:21 AM

Quote from: keyscore44 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:36 AM

There are great problems in the Juventus team at the moment. Juventus team is failing to show a very good performance. Although the team has good talented players but they fail to show their skills. I hope Juventus will be able to perform well after the World Cup.

bad stars at UCL 22/23 juventus are indeed many young stars. juventus also has many injured players, so Juventus cannot improve their performance so that they drop down to the European league caste. But despite this, Allegri deserves to be sacked. I think that's a big problem for Juventus.

Juventus performance decline was indeed caused by many of their injured players, the injury storm continued to hit the players alternately so that in the end Juventus had to go down the caste to the European League, I think at this time the management should evaluate the allegri coaching method because it seems something is wrong on the method used so cause many injured players, I think what management needs to do is to evaluate what happened to the squad and if possible it is time for Juventus to find another coach who is better than Allegri.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on November 11, 2022, 10:14:36 AM

There are great problems in the Juventus team at the moment. Juventus team is failing to show a very good performance. Although the team has good talented players but they fail to show their skills. I hope Juventus will be able to perform well after the World Cup.

bad stars at UCL 22/23 juventus are indeed many young stars. juventus also has many injured players, so Juventus cannot improve their performance so that they drop down to the European league caste. But despite this, Allegri deserves to be sacked. I think that's a big problem for Juventus.

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Quote from: izsara on November 11, 2022, 09:52:00 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on November 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM

In the case of Juventus, I can say that historically they shouldn't have problems with opponents like Nante. The problem is the huge amount of injured people, really many.
Between the championship and the cups, it becomes difficult with the few players.
then if we had money, we could buy people, but we're short of that too.

There's still a long way to go and I think things like injured players are now completely resolved for Juventus although we don't know what will happen after this break but for sure looking at the condition of the Juventus players I think they will still be in good shape because they have overcome their players' injury problems and of course they have a great chance of winning.

Well many have recovered it's true
but now they all have to learn to play together, it's not easy to start so fast.
others have had a lot of time to play together and learn the tactics and all the various operations

you must also consider this, it is not enough to recover players from injuries, it would be easy and simple and it is not
I expect little this season from my beloved Juventus, patience happens

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Quote from: izsara on November 11, 2022, 09:52:00 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on November 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM

In the case of Juventus, I can say that historically they shouldn't have problems with opponents like Nante. The problem is the huge amount of injured people, really many.
Between the championship and the cups, it becomes difficult with the few players.
then if we had money, we could buy people, but we're short of that too.

There's still a long way to go and I think things like injured players are now completely resolved for Juventus although we don't know what will happen after this break but for sure looking at the condition of the Juventus players I think they will still be in good shape because they have overcome their players' injury problems and of course they have a great chance of winning.

There are great problems in the Juventus team at the moment. Juventus team is failing to show a very good performance. Although the team has good talented players but they fail to show their skills. I hope Juventus will be able to perform well after the World Cup.

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Quote from: izsara on November 11, 2022, 09:52:00 AM

Quote from: giammangiato on November 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM

In the case of Juventus, I can say that historically they shouldn't have problems with opponents like Nante. The problem is the huge amount of injured people, really many.
Between the championship and the cups, it becomes difficult with the few players.
then if we had money, we could buy people, but we're short of that too.

There's still a long way to go and I think things like injured players are now completely resolved for Juventus although we don't know what will happen after this break but for sure looking at the condition of the Juventus players I think they will still be in good shape because they have overcome their players' injury problems and of course they have a great chance of winning.

After going through difficult times at the start of the season, Juventus must take advantage of the 2022 World Cup Break to improve. Allegri must devise a plan to get Juventus back to their best, one of which can be carried out during the international break to maintain the fitness of players who did not participate in the World Cup with his country. Allegri also has to reflect on his performance this season, Juventus who appear inconsistent make Allegri must make something to make changes in the squad in order to give the best performance.

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Quote from: giammangiato on November 10, 2022, 10:21:42 AM

In the case of Juventus, I can say that historically they shouldn't have problems with opponents like Nante. The problem is the huge amount of injured people, really many.
Between the championship and the cups, it becomes difficult with the few players.
then if we had money, we could buy people, but we're short of that too.

There's still a long way to go and I think things like injured players are now completely resolved for Juventus although we don't know what will happen after this break but for sure looking at the condition of the Juventus players I think they will still be in good shape because they have overcome their players' injury problems and of course they have a great chance of winning.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on November 11, 2022, 05:28:12 AM

If we look at the achievements of both teams in their respective leagues so far, Barcelona does look more promising than Man United because they are in 1st place, while Man United is only in 5th place. But if we look at the difference between La Liga and the Premier League, I think the competition in the Premier League is much tougher than in La Liga. In my opinion, Man United's performance is not inferior to Barcelona and they have the potential to beat Barcelona.

As long as Ronaldo doesn't throw another tantrum or he doesn't get injured, I don't think there's any reason for Ten Hag to leave Ronaldo on the bench, at least if he doesn't play as a starter, he will still get a chance to play in the second half.

You can take simpler criteria for comparison - look at the results only in "big" games. Here, even with all their failures, United look much better as they have several wins while Barcelona has 4 losses and one draw out of 5 big games. By the way, I expect that the results of Barcelona should fall like last year - the arrival of Xavi (and the subsequent psychological pump) stirred them up, but then everything fell into place.

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Quote from: tulusikhlas on November 11, 2022, 07:02:27 AM

Both teams have unique statistics this season so the match will be very interesting, what Manchester United and Barcelona have exhibited this season has their own charm, it's just that Manchester United can't be consistent so they make mistakes repeatedly that harm their own team. Barcelona are more solid, but that was when they played in La Liga, in European competition they still couldn't compete very comfortably, that's why they are here now.

This is obviously interesting because these two teams are big teams and both have good achievements so the match is definitely interesting to watch, because when Barcelona meets Manchester United it also looks unique in the Europa League because in the Champions League Real Madrid meets Liverpool. This means that teams from the Spanish La Liga will meet teams from the English League who both have strength and better performances in their respective leagues.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 10, 2022, 08:15:57 PM

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Personally, I think Barcelona is much stronger than Manchester United. Manchester United has a strong squad. But their performance is erratic. Due to weak bonding between players, their overall performance is not good. Barcelona's defense on the other hand is a bit weak, but the bonding between the players is very good. So now Barcelona is at the top of La Liga. Barcelona's players are consistently playing well. I don't think it will be difficult for Barcelona to win against an unstable team like United in this situation. I see Barcelona as favorite against United.

I agree, Barcelona is more favorite win against MU, but MU is a unique club, they will fight much when facing a strong club like Barcelona. The squad will prepare very seriously bring the motivation when come to camp nou. What ever the situation, Ronaldo starter turn as starter if want to continue to next round because he have more experience than other like he was on real madird. he very know how barcelona play, but when Ten Hag not want him on the suqad, MU will have trouble to pierce their defenses.

Both teams have unique statistics this season so the match will be very interesting, what Manchester United and Barcelona have exhibited this season has their own charm, it's just that Manchester United can't be consistent so they make mistakes repeatedly that harm their own team. Barcelona are more solid, but that was when they played in La Liga, in European competition they still couldn't compete very comfortably, that's why they are here now.

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Quote from: blue Snow on November 10, 2022, 08:15:57 PM

I agree, Barcelona is more favorite win against MU, but MU is a unique club, they will fight much when facing a strong club like Barcelona. The squad will prepare very seriously bring the motivation when come to camp nou. What ever the situation, Ronaldo starter turn as starter if want to continue to next round because he have more experience than other like he was on real madird. he very know how barcelona play, but when Ten Hag not want him on the suqad, MU will have trouble to pierce their defenses.

If we look at the achievements of both teams in their respective leagues so far, Barcelona does look more promising than Man United because they are in 1st place, while Man United is only in 5th place. But if we look at the difference between La Liga and the Premier League, I think the competition in the Premier League is much tougher than in La Liga. In my opinion, Man United's performance is not inferior to Barcelona and they have the potential to beat Barcelona.

As long as Ronaldo doesn't throw another tantrum or he doesn't get injured, I don't think there's any reason for Ten Hag to leave Ronaldo on the bench, at least if he doesn't play as a starter, he will still get a chance to play in the second half.

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Quote from: Zilon on November 10, 2022, 11:16:01 AM

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Taking both Barcelona and Manchester United's current performances into account, we can conclude that Barcelona is a better side than Manchester United because they have a couple of wins in their last matches and have recently surpassed Real Madrid to become the top of the Laliga table, whereas Manchester United is still struggling to return to the top four in the Premier League table. Nonetheless, the match will be difficult because we both know that Manchester United has a strong team capable of defeating Barcelona, even if their Premier League performance is not as good as Barcelona's in Laliga.

We can't conclude yet which club is far better because both clubs play in different leagues having their respective weakness. Barcelona were unable to enter the knock out stage of the Champions League , while Manchester finished the same point with Real Sociedad just 1 point GD separated them. It is going to be a home and away game so aggregate will count as well as goals. Ten Hag seems to give in more to the Europa League than he does in the Premier League and United has a more balanced team than Barcelona at the moment all they need to is utilise them.

If we look at the depth of the players, the pattern of play, the mentality of the players, the strategies of these two teams. obviously, Barcelona is more in favor. the schedule for this fight is still long, Erik Ten Hag has time to improve the potential and performance of his players.
this match will not be easy for the Red Devils, Barcelona are a strong team, especially if they field the starting line-up of main players, plus with players who have recovered from their injuries. Barcelona seems stronger than Manchester United, plus, these two teams have a history of twice in the champions league final that Barcelona won.

This match has received more attention from Ten Hag, because Manchester United cannot be said to be in its actual form, there are many things that need to be revised by Ten Hag, especially the front-line players who lack sharpness.
You can compare the two Man United vs Real Sociedad matches, how they had to go all out to win the match. So, Ten Hag has an extra job to bring Man United through to the next round.

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Quote from: kro55 on November 10, 2022, 12:07:24 PM

Personally, I think Barcelona is much stronger than Manchester United. Manchester United has a strong squad. But their performance is erratic. Due to weak bonding between players, their overall performance is not good. Barcelona's defense on the other hand is a bit weak, but the bonding between the players is very good. So now Barcelona is at the top of La Liga. Barcelona's players are consistently playing well. I don't think it will be difficult for Barcelona to win against an unstable team like United in this situation. I see Barcelona as favorite against United.

I agree, Barcelona is more favorite win against MU, but MU is a unique club, they will fight much when facing a strong club like Barcelona. The squad will prepare very seriously bring the motivation when come to camp nou. What ever the situation, Ronaldo starter turn as starter if want to continue to next round because he have more experience than other like he was on real madird. he very know how barcelona play, but when Ten Hag not want him on the suqad, MU will have trouble to pierce their defenses.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on November 09, 2022, 03:37:22 PM

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Actually in this case predicting from the start I would personally say this is still a rush. We don't even know what they will be like in February and we still have to wait whether this will go well or not for Manchester United and Barcelona because we know these two clubs still have problems and this could be very disturbing for the continuity of their club's consistency in February later.

Well, we'll just have to wait and see how the two clubs will play in February when they have a match. Will their form still be the same as now or are there significant changes shown by the two clubs, Barcelona and Manchester United. Barcelona will come with a mission to win the title this season in the Europa League in my opinion. Yes it can be a motivation after last season they failed to present a trophy to their supporters, Manchester United will also come with the same mission and of course they want to beat Barcelona.
I suppose if Lionel Messi returns to Barcelona in the next transfer window and Cristiano Ronaldo is still at Manchester United, it will be another meeting between the two best players the world has ever seen. That will make the match more interesting to watch and will certainly present a match with very hot tension.

Messi will not return to Barcelona on their current money and I will not discuss speculation about Messi's future here.
I think both teams will also be a little passive in this transfer, especially for Barcelona who have wasted a lot of their money in the transfer last summer.

Slightly different from Manchester United although passive but I think looking for a striker like the rumors that are buzzing right now is not too much of a problem for them.

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Are you sure about this? Wouldn't it be pairs where the first places play against the winners in the play-offs? For example, if Barcelona wins, then it may well get to Arsenal. United won't have that opportunity as at this stage teams from the same country can't match each other. In general, there are weak teams even among the first places, but Eintracht was also "weak" last year.

Seems drawing match can't for the same country team faced at 16 round and I don't think the winner play off round between Barcelona vs Manchester United face Arsenal. Actually drawing match rule make the team coming from the same countries not faced until semifinal stage, I sure Arsenal not faced with the winner between Manchester United vs Barcelona. UEFA Europe League have second time drawing for team qualify to next round after play off winner, last time drawing only with team on play off round and team success lead the first standing group need waiting for the winner of play off round to know which one team opponent at the next round.

That’s true until a point. English vs English, Spanish vs Spanish doesn't happen to a point but after a certain stage it is allowed and can face each other. I think it still doesn't happen at this stage, but next stage it could happen, I am not sure when it starts but it could be next stage.

I still think that teams will have a lot of chances to face each other anyway, if they lose before that, they didn't deserve to face each other, if they do, then they can face even in the finals and deserve each other. That is why I do not care about the nationality of the team, but more about how good they are, rather watch good teams last, instead of let them beat each other early stages and then face easier teams.

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Quote from: Zilon on November 10, 2022, 11:16:01 AM

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Taking both Barcelona and Manchester United's current performances into account, we can conclude that Barcelona is a better side than Manchester United because they have a couple of wins in their last matches and have recently surpassed Real Madrid to become the top of the Laliga table, whereas Manchester United is still struggling to return to the top four in the Premier League table. Nonetheless, the match will be difficult because we both know that Manchester United has a strong team capable of defeating Barcelona, even if their Premier League performance is not as good as Barcelona's in Laliga.

We can't conclude yet which club is far better because both clubs play in different leagues having their respective weakness. Barcelona were unable to enter the knock out stage of the Champions League , while Manchester finished the same point with Real Sociedad just 1 point GD separated them. It is going to be a home and away game so aggregate will count as well as goals. Ten Hag seems to give in more to the Europa League than he does in the Premier League and United has a more balanced team than Barcelona at the moment all they need to is utilise them.

Erik Ten Hag has always been a coach who's standard's has been high from the first time he was appointed as head Coach main aim is to win as much games as they can they have shown quite well in some few game's both in Premier League and Europa League.
Scared of Camp Nou honestly, some seasons ago I still haven't forgotten how we got humiliated by Barcelona and Lionel Messi. I'd leave the much explanation for another time lol.

Whoever wins and qualifies from this round will have a big boost honestly, wining the toughest side in the tournament with out much argument, both Manchester United and Barcelona are the biggest bans toughest although I will never under rate the other club's.

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