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legendary
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So.. 6 months passed and I can see that nitrogen, cloudbet and directbet already re-started accepting uk players again (from these only nitrogen have licence from what I see)



I am in the UK and still can't bet with Direct Bet or Nitrogen.....I can with Cloudbet though.
Not anymore, I think Cloudbet now ban UK users from using their site, just tried and it says that this jurisdiction is not allowed Sad
legendary
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So.. 6 months passed and I can see that nitrogen, cloudbet and directbet already re-started accepting uk players again (from these only nitrogen have licence from what I see)



I am in the UK and still can't bet with Direct Bet or Nitrogen.....I can with Cloudbet though.
sr. member
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So.. 6 months passed and I can see that nitrogen, cloudbet and directbet already re-started accepting uk players again (from these only nitrogen have licence from what I see)

Others like betbtc, and anonibet remain closed.

My question is, what can happen to these casinos if they just ignore the warning and keep accepting uk players (if they are outside uk...). I mean if they are outside UK what can happen? Shouldn't be UK blocking the websites like some countries already do to piratebay and other sites?

(http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/)

Short answer: nothing.

Long answer: Likely domain and/or hosting provider suspensions/blocks. If you feel like experimenting, go for it (make a fake BTC site clearly targeting UK players and report yourself to them), please post your experience. To us (and likely some of the other sites), the hassle and/or potential temporary seizures/suspensions of domain(s) isn't worth it, so the block is easier.
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So.. 6 months passed and I can see that nitrogen, cloudbet and directbet already re-started accepting uk players again (from these only nitrogen have licence from what I see)

Others like betbtc, and anonibet remain closed.

My question is, what can happen to these casinos if they just ignore the warning and keep accepting uk players (if they are outside uk...). I mean if they are outside UK what can happen? Shouldn't be UK blocking the websites like some countries already do to piratebay and other sites?

(http://qntra.net/2015/07/uk-gambling-commission-strongarms-some-bitcoin-based-gambling-websites/)
sr. member
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-snip-As a matter of fact there are 3-4 big and purely dice sites and none of them got an email so its probably that they don't consider dice sites to be a competitor.

This isnt correct at all unless you have the actual proof that these dice sites operator actually receive an email from the UK gambling commission.
Either way it could be that they are not getting any email or that they are refusing the request of the commission or perhaps it will be on y speculation that they are only hunting down unlicensed sportsbook since the UK players is more fond of sportsbook rather than the other form of gambling thus it will generate more "tax" for them either

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What about bitdice.me? They are a dice website and still don't allow UK players?

AFAIK they are now licensed/legal ( references below ) and I dont have any idea if they still dont provide their service to UK players. Plus that puts up some more suspicion that if the comission sent a letter to bitdice , how could PrimeDice slip away? Apart from the logical thought that Stunna refused to stop providing the service to UK players

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Yeah, I'm not sure then. Because I know 100% UK players can not bet on bitdice.me
legendary
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-snip-

-snip-As a matter of fact there are 3-4 big and purely dice sites and none of them got an email so its probably that they don't consider dice sites to be a competitor.

This isnt correct at all unless you have the actual proof that these dice sites operator actually receive an email from the UK gambling commission.
Either way it could be that they are not getting any email or that they are refusing the request of the commission or perhaps it will be on y speculation that they are only hunting down unlicensed sportsbook since the UK players is more fond of sportsbook rather than the other form of gambling thus it will generate more "tax" for them either

-snip-

What about bitdice.me? They are a dice website and still don't allow UK players?

AFAIK they are now licensed/legal ( references below ) and I dont have any idea if they still dont provide their service to UK players. Plus that puts up some more suspicion that if the comission sent a letter to bitdice , how could PrimeDice slip away? Apart from the logical thought that Stunna refused to stop providing the service to UK players

Hello guys,

I've got the great news! As of 11/05/2015 BitDice.me has become a registered company on Costa Rica. Now, we are BitDice Casino S.L.R. with registration ID# 3-102-696267.
sr. member
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Can somebody explain to me why PrimeDice are still allowing UK players to bet? I'm assuming they found a loophole of some sort.

So far the one that is affected with this would only be a site that provide sportsbook betting and only 1 site without sportsbook that is affected ( FortuneJack ) which I speculate could be located in UK and/or hosted in UK therefore there are whole more reason to comply. Apart from that it seems no other "gambling sites" affected with this which leads to another speculation that the UK gambling commision is merely chasing down all these unlicensed sportsbook because it attracts a whole lot more UK player than a non sportsbook gambling site and/or that to force them to purchase the license

I doubt it, they probably just haven't had any contact from them yet.

Seems unlikely. PrimeDice is one of the biggest dice sites at the moment and it is unlikely that they are letting such huge site slips between their eyes

Depending on where PD is hosted there's probably not much anyone could do anyway.

Would love to see whats the next "threat" of this gambling commision if a site doesnt comply

From what I recall didn't Primedice close down to UK customers already ?
Did they reopen to UK customers ?

Oh really? I dont see any announcement from Stunna apart from they closed down their services to the USA based players

What about bitdice.me? They are a dice website and still don't allow UK players?
legendary
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because it is not a competitor to any of the gambling sites as dice isn't a standard gambling game offered in fiat based sites.

If you are saying that they are chasing down "casinos" and not only dice sites then it is probably their intention but then again satoshibet hasnt close down their service to UK players , they couldn't possible slip out satoshibet. Also if you check on their letter that they sent to betmoose (references below)


Got a reply today:

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You should note that section 33 of the Gambling Act 2005, which makes it a criminal offence to

provide facilities for gambling without an operating licence authorising that activity, applies if remote

gambling equipment is located in Great Britain, or if the facilities are capable of being used in Great

Britain. -snip-

Consequently, the fact that you do not have any hosting in the UK, do not market or advertise

to UK residents, and that your team do not reside in the UK, does not mean that a licence is not

required.



The first bolded part clearly indicates that means all form of "gambling" that a site offer and dice is one of them , also that PrimeDice is one of the biggest dice sites around so it cant be just slip away from their attention



The second bolded part clearly indicates that they are against every gambling sites without license which means they could / will take an action to all these unlicensed sites



All these indicates they are probably chasing down sportsbook only because most of their source of income comes from all these licensed sportsbook . So blocking all these unlicensed sportsbook will give them more income from tax as the sportsbook ethusiast will switch to a licensed sportsbook and thus generate more income to the sportsbook and more tax for the gambling commission

Yes, but either they made this list themselves or got it generated from a gambling company. If its the latter then they might not see those dice sites as a competitor and something that affects their businesss . As a matter of fact there are 3-4 big and purely dice sites and none of them got an email so its probably that they don't consider dice sites to be a competitor.
hero member
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Governments are now trying to take their part on these type of business.
Europena governments are demanding regulation
This is currently happenining throughout Europe...
legendary
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because it is not a competitor to any of the gambling sites as dice isn't a standard gambling game offered in fiat based sites.

If you are saying that they are chasing down "casinos" and not only dice sites then it is probably their intention but then again satoshibet hasnt close down their service to UK players , they couldn't possible slip out satoshibet. Also if you check on their letter that they sent to betmoose (references below)


Got a reply today:

Quote

You should note that section 33 of the Gambling Act 2005, which makes it a criminal offence to

provide facilities for gambling without an operating licence authorising that activity, applies if remote

gambling equipment is located in Great Britain, or if the facilities are capable of being used in Great

Britain. -snip-

Consequently, the fact that you do not have any hosting in the UK, do not market or advertise

to UK residents, and that your team do not reside in the UK, does not mean that a licence is not

required.



The first bolded part clearly indicates that means all form of "gambling" that a site offer and dice is one of them , also that PrimeDice is one of the biggest dice sites around so it cant be just slip away from their attention



The second bolded part clearly indicates that they are against every gambling sites without license which means they could / will take an action to all these unlicensed sites



All these indicates they are probably chasing down sportsbook only because most of their source of income comes from all these licensed sportsbook . So blocking all these unlicensed sportsbook will give them more income from tax as the sportsbook ethusiast will switch to a licensed sportsbook and thus generate more income to the sportsbook and more tax for the gambling commission
legendary
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Merit: 1081
#SWGT CERTIK Audited

From what I recall didn't Primedice close down to UK customers already ?
Did they reopen to UK customers ?

Oh really? I dont see any announcement from Stunna apart from they closed down their services to the USA based players

Ah yeah you are right. I had thought it was UK they had closed down their services to. As for why let them slip through might be because its only a dice site. Weren't all the other sites which received the email from the UK commision , more or less a casino or a sportsbook ?
They might not be targtting dice sites probably because it is not a competitor to any of the gambling sites as dice isn't a standard gambling game offered in fiat based sites.
legendary
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Can somebody explain to me why PrimeDice are still allowing UK players to bet? I'm assuming they found a loophole of some sort.

So far the one that is affected with this would only be a site that provide sportsbook betting and only 1 site without sportsbook that is affected ( FortuneJack ) which I speculate could be located in UK and/or hosted in UK therefore there are whole more reason to comply. Apart from that it seems no other "gambling sites" affected with this which leads to another speculation that the UK gambling commision is merely chasing down all these unlicensed sportsbook because it attracts a whole lot more UK player than a non sportsbook gambling site and/or that to force them to purchase the license

I doubt it, they probably just haven't had any contact from them yet.

Seems unlikely. PrimeDice is one of the biggest dice sites at the moment and it is unlikely that they are letting such huge site slips between their eyes

Depending on where PD is hosted there's probably not much anyone could do anyway.

Would love to see whats the next "threat" of this gambling commision if a site doesnt comply

From what I recall didn't Primedice close down to UK customers already ?
Did they reopen to UK customers ?

Oh really? I dont see any announcement from Stunna apart from they closed down their services to the USA based players
legendary
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#SWGT CERTIK Audited
Can somebody explain to me why PrimeDice are still allowing UK players to bet? I'm assuming they found a loophole of some sort.

I doubt it, they probably just haven't had any contact from them yet. It seems once they got a letter or email from one specific country they blocked access to that particular nation. Depending on where PD is hosted there's probably not much anyone could do anyway.
From what I recall didn't Primedice close down to UK customers already ?
Did they reopen to UK customers ?
newbie
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Can somebody explain to me why PrimeDice are still allowing UK players to bet? I'm assuming they found a loophole of some sort.

I doubt it, they probably just haven't had any contact from them yet. It seems once they got a letter or email from one specific country they blocked access to that particular nation. Depending on where PD is hosted there's probably not much anyone could do anyway.
sr. member
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Can somebody explain to me why PrimeDice are still allowing UK players to bet? I'm assuming they found a loophole of some sort.
legendary
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-sinp-

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 If you do not satisfy us that
you have taken reasonable steps to prevent such access, we will pursue other avenues to prevent
the unlicensed activities. This may result in the website no longer being accessible.

All it needs is a single threat and all site will comply. This is pretty much happened to the other site as well which is logical because it is better to lose a fraction of customer from UK rather than losing the whole business. As for the bolded part, it seems pretty much indicates that the Gambling commision will write a letter to your hosting company to stop hosting your site or could be just DDOSing the site ( which is highly unlikely but still possible )

We're contemplating adding a custom page for UK users to point them the way of VPNs, I wonder if that would fly.

Pretty much unneeded as because VPN is pretty common nowadays to avoid such IP checks (?)

we've asked him before if we can buy his license and he said no because they don't accept Bitcoin

Kinda confusing but If there is an intention to purchase the license, then you could just cash the BTC into FIAT and buy the license anyway why insist on using BTC?
sr. member
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We received another reply. In short, IP blocking is the only solution this "commission" would find 'satisfactory'. I also noticed it's been two different people back and forth, they are colleagues as described in their letters:
Chris Pryor
Senior Officer - Disclosure

Chris Sullivan
Manager - Remote Investigations

Anyway, this is unfortunate for UK users as we don't have any alternatives; we've asked him before if we can buy his license and he said no because they don't accept Bitcoin. As our operations are 100% bitcoin, it gives us no other choice but to follow the other operators and block UK-based users. We could also 'just do nothing and see what happens' (probably nothing), but from an operations point of view, this is easier and wouldn't keep our dev team up at night worrying to have to move hosting. In terms of the 'threat' if we don't comply, this is what he had to say:

Quote
Please set out, in detail, as to why you cannot take implement IP blocking as a means of preventing
users in Great Britain from accessing you site, if this is in fact the case. We again request that you
should take immediate steps to remedy the situation.
We remain of the view that by allowing consumers located in Great Britain to access
[our website] you are potentially committing a criminal offence. If you do not satisfy us that
you have taken reasonable steps to prevent such access, we will pursue other avenues to prevent
the unlicensed activities. This may result in the website no longer being accessible.

We're contemplating adding a custom page for UK users to point them the way of VPNs, I wonder if that would fly.

Well what a great big bully it seems that the commission is being.
sr. member
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We received another reply. In short, IP blocking is the only solution this "commission" would find 'satisfactory'. I also noticed it's been two different people back and forth, they are colleagues as described in their letters:
Chris Pryor
Senior Officer - Disclosure

Chris Sullivan
Manager - Remote Investigations

Anyway, this is unfortunate for UK users as we don't have any alternatives; we've asked him before if we can buy his license and he said no because they don't accept Bitcoin. As our operations are 100% bitcoin, it gives us no other choice but to follow the other operators and block UK-based users. We could also 'just do nothing and see what happens' (probably nothing), but from an operations point of view, this is easier and wouldn't keep our dev team up at night worrying to have to move hosting. In terms of the 'threat' if we don't comply, this is what he had to say:

Quote
Please set out, in detail, as to why you cannot take implement IP blocking as a means of preventing
users in Great Britain from accessing you site, if this is in fact the case. We again request that you
should take immediate steps to remedy the situation.
We remain of the view that by allowing consumers located in Great Britain to access
[our website] you are potentially committing a criminal offence. If you do not satisfy us that
you have taken reasonable steps to prevent such access, we will pursue other avenues to prevent
the unlicensed activities. This may result in the website no longer being accessible.

We're contemplating adding a custom page for UK users to point them the way of VPNs, I wonder if that would fly.
legendary
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If you take immediate steps to remedy the situation, this may avoid the need for the Commission to
take the matter further


I got that exact wording in my 'cease and desist' order from them.
They made it very clear in their letter to me that they were going to prosecute me if I didn't close www.bitcoinpunter.com down immediately.
All I was doing was placing affiliate banners on it!
We live under a very oppressive government here in the UK.

By the way....anyone want to buy my domain?
I don't want a lot for it.
hero member
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Pretty much the standard reply . I suppose would have to be followed by IP blocking  . Asking country on registration will always have work arounds and would be useless .



Quote


If you take immediate steps to remedy the situation, this may avoid the need for the Commission to

take the matter further.


Perhaps you could drop another message asking about this .
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